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Modern Malaysia house is a heat trap
 
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post Oct 21 2022, 05:55 PM, updated 4y ago

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Local kid further study in country with 4 seasons. Comes back as an architect and designs house based on foreign designs. Ends up with house that is designed to withstand winter.

Old house below has lower temperature.
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post Oct 21 2022, 06:01 PM

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Yes. Old house more practical. Modern house now if no aircond you will get roasted.
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post Oct 21 2022, 06:03 PM

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Apa different old vs new house?

Must be the inside.

The outside looks the same.
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post Oct 21 2022, 06:03 PM

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No new house design for comparison?
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post Oct 21 2022, 06:03 PM

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Old houses have better clay bricks and clay roof tiles.
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i install exhaust fan in kitchen. at least functional to temove trapped heat and odor from cooking (if not yet caught by hood), and to also move wind from front to rear.

not foolproof though as it depends on volume transferred.
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post Oct 21 2022, 06:04 PM

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the ventilation of the hollow bricks?
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post Oct 21 2022, 06:05 PM

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Some old single story has air well
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QUOTE(New Klang @ Oct 21 2022, 06:03 PM)
Old houses have better clay bricks and clay roof tiles.
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... and those bricks with holes installed on top of windows.
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post Oct 21 2022, 06:06 PM

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Air vent . Old house got void for natural air vent.
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post Oct 21 2022, 06:07 PM

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QUOTE(New Klang @ Oct 21 2022, 06:03 PM)
Old houses have better clay bricks and clay roof tiles.
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new home with concrete roof top is the worst.
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post Oct 21 2022, 06:56 PM

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QUOTE(Current Events guy @ Oct 21 2022, 06:03 PM)
Apa different old vs new house?

Must be the inside.

The outside looks the same.
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Materials used.
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post Oct 21 2022, 06:57 PM

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Ini kena tanya /k architect tu
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post Oct 21 2022, 07:01 PM

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Those bricks with holes are absolute nightmare to clean & paint though.
Plus it let bugs in.

Probably a different design that solves the issues would be better.
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post Oct 21 2022, 07:02 PM

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Global warming is a bigger issue.

Weather so hot nowadays
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post Oct 21 2022, 07:05 PM

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my experience is different, new house is cooler than old house. You just bought wrong project and wrong developer biggrin.gif
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post Oct 21 2022, 07:05 PM

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QUOTE(Oltromen Ripot @ Oct 21 2022, 06:05 PM)
... and those bricks with holes installed on top of windows.
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This one favourite entry for nyamuk and cicak.
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post Oct 21 2022, 07:05 PM

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where the new house design.

the house without bumbung wan, im pretty much sure hot.
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QUOTE(Current Events guy @ Oct 21 2022, 06:03 PM)
Apa different old vs new house?

Must be the inside.

The outside looks the same.
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Old house got batu angin that helps to regulate room temperature
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post Oct 21 2022, 07:12 PM

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Malaysia is very outdated one la. Even Thailand is already using rockwool insulation and mechanical ventilation.

Natural ventilation is only OK if the air around you is clean (mountain for eg). So whenever I see some supposedly high end ID doing natural ventilation for a house located in the middle of the city I straight facepalm.
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QUOTE(Current Events guy @ Oct 21 2022, 06:03 PM)
Apa different old vs new house?

Must be the inside.

The outside looks the same.
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Different batu bata.

Old house mostly use clay brick. Modern house use white brick as cheaper.

White brick made from sands, and usually will retain heat. House hot until night yo. Sure need aircond.
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post Oct 21 2022, 07:14 PM

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QUOTE(Current Events guy @ Oct 21 2022, 06:03 PM)
Apa different old vs new house?

Must be the inside.

The outside looks the same.
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Red brick, air well in center, the ventilation bricks on the top part of the wall
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post Oct 21 2022, 07:14 PM

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Idk man, I went to a few old houses all hot. Unless kampung wood those. My modern house and condo colder can no need aircond.
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post Oct 21 2022, 07:18 PM

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old house with wood or red brick also hot nowadays. ventilation good but dusty too much in city.
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QUOTE(Satori 14118a @ Oct 21 2022, 07:05 PM)
This one favourite entry for nyamuk and cicak.
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You could fix netting outside to prevent insects entering into your home



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Old house got lingering spirits, that’s why you feel chiller when they flew by…. tongue.gif
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post Oct 21 2022, 07:22 PM

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Talk onli la, anyone here dare to live in rumah kayu like Malay kampung or like Orang Asli?

You see all the houses in urban areas are all based from Western design?
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post Oct 21 2022, 07:42 PM

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High rise with glass wall trapped the most heat.

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post Oct 21 2022, 07:49 PM

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May I know why during sunny afternoons, the upstairs can be super hot while downstairs can still be quite cool? All the hot air rise up there and cannot vent??? That's the reason?
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post Oct 21 2022, 07:57 PM

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Reno my house. Use the sand brick while ori wall used red brick. Both wall facing the sun. You can feel the heat from the wall with sand brick.
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post Oct 21 2022, 07:59 PM

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Suddenly everyone in /k are expert architects lol
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post Oct 21 2022, 08:01 PM

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Old house design have holes or fins style opening at the bottom of the door for air intake and high ceiling for hot air to escape. Nowadays all is shut for security reasons.
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QUOTE(surianti @ Oct 21 2022, 07:49 PM)
May I know why during sunny afternoons, the upstairs can be super hot while downstairs can still be quite cool? All the hot air rise up there and cannot vent??? That's the reason?
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Solar heat gain from the roof exposure.
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post Oct 21 2022, 08:12 PM

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QUOTE(joe_star @ Oct 21 2022, 07:14 PM)
Red brick, air well in center, the ventilation bricks on the top part of the wall
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this, I damn regret not putting in taller stair well for ventilation, now need to figure out mechanical way to vent

QUOTE(surianti @ Oct 21 2022, 07:49 PM)
May I know why during sunny afternoons, the upstairs can be super hot while downstairs can still be quite cool? All the hot air rise up there and cannot vent??? That's the reason?
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hot air rises, and heat from roof stored in your ceiling
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post Oct 21 2022, 08:16 PM

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QUOTE(Skylinestar @ Oct 21 2022, 05:55 PM)
Local kid further study in country with 4 seasons. Comes back as an architect and designs house based on foreign designs. Ends up with house that is designed to withstand winter.

Old house below has lower temperature.
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But can see. Old house like this, the road higher than the car porch. Banjir laa if raining heavily
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must ask malay people lah... see how their wooden house design

suitable for this climate

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QUOTE(Skylinestar @ Oct 21 2022, 05:55 PM)
Local kid further study in country with 4 seasons. Comes back as an architect and designs house based on foreign designs. Ends up with house that is designed to withstand winter.

Old house below has lower temperature.
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most OUG type houses are like that. PJ Old town also like that.. Very good ventilation.
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QUOTE(emburrar @ Oct 21 2022, 06:57 PM)
Ini kena tanya /k architect tu
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QUOTE(surianti @ Oct 21 2022, 07:49 PM)
May I know why during sunny afternoons, the upstairs can be super hot while downstairs can still be quite cool? All the hot air rise up there and cannot vent??? That's the reason?
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Yes. Which is why some people install those spinning roof turbine ventilator.
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QUOTE(koja6049 @ Oct 21 2022, 07:05 PM)
my experience is different, new house is cooler than old house. You just bought wrong project and wrong developer biggrin.gif
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Most are marginalised.... Most can only afford pipit box nao... And theyre buying....
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QUOTE(Oltromen Ripot @ Oct 21 2022, 07:04 PM)
i install exhaust fan in kitchen. at least functional to temove trapped heat and odor from cooking (if not yet caught by hood), and to also move wind from front to rear.

not foolproof though as it depends on volume transferred.
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I install foldable glass door at kitchen area . Now no more such problem
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QUOTE(sonark @ Oct 21 2022, 08:30 PM)
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Can paint the roof white?
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QUOTE(Skylinestar @ Oct 21 2022, 05:55 PM)
Local kid further study in country with 4 seasons. Comes back as an architect and designs house based on foreign designs. Ends up with house that is designed to withstand winter.

Old house below has lower temperature.
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When you say modern, what do you mean exactly?

And by the way, Malaysian architecture education has been around since before WW2. Although trained by British architects, these architects have been around in Malaysia, design building in Malaysia considering Malaysian climate.

We only began studying overseas in the late 70s, when the economy is better and people can afford studying abroad. By then, Malaysian architecture has already took its current form.

If you ask me, the issue about hot houses are multifaceted. One, it could be caused by architects not aware of local climates. But I have to tell you, even if you study 10 years overseas, you'll come back and MUST practice with local firms, where there will be architects with local tropical experiences.

Most of the time I blame developers. Not many developers are even trained in built environment. They got rich doing something else, then decided to venture into property development. Then they pay architects who would design the way they think appeals to the rakyat. And of course, rakyat being susceptible to advertisements, starts spending money on inappropriately designed houses.

And there's also the problem of kontraktor cuba buat kerja arkitek. This is very common, as home owners think that architects are just some glorified chef, and can save cost by NOT paying architects. So sekarang rumah kau panas, rasakan.
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QUOTE(Taikor.Taikun @ Oct 21 2022, 09:07 PM)
Can paint the roof white?
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Wont be as effective as installing insulation under the roof tiles.
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Oct 21 2022, 09:15 PM)
Wont be as effective as installing insulation under the roof tiles.
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Cost must b very high
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Heat trap true.

But if you keep your windows open now in the city area, expect all the dust and dirt to come in.

Air now not the same as 40 years ago.

Thst is why cold is better than heat.
It is easier to heat the air than cool them.
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QUOTE(Lanchio @ Oct 21 2022, 06:05 PM)
Some old single story has air well
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nearly all terrace house got air well,.. my house 50 years liao also got,.. no need to air cond the whole house,..

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You dont have this problem if you stay in condo
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QUOTE(Taikor.Taikun @ Oct 21 2022, 09:26 PM)
Cost must b very high
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Not as high as continuous cooling bills for the next 20 years.
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QUOTE(Skylinestar @ Oct 21 2022, 05:55 PM)
Local kid further study in country with 4 seasons. Comes back as an architect and designs house based on foreign designs. Ends up with house that is designed to withstand winter.

Old house below has lower temperature.
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The house design you showed owes most of its origins to southern China smile.gif
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Oct 21 2022, 09:15 PM)
When you say modern, what do you mean exactly?

And by the way, Malaysian architecture education has been around since before WW2. Although trained by British architects, these architects have been around in Malaysia, design building in Malaysia considering Malaysian climate.

We only began studying overseas in the late 70s, when the economy is better and people can afford studying abroad. By then, Malaysian architecture has already took its current form.

If you ask me, the issue about hot houses are multifaceted. One, it could be caused by architects not aware of local climates. But I have to tell you, even if you study 10 years overseas, you'll come back and MUST practice with local firms, where there will be architects with local tropical experiences.

Most of the time I blame developers. Not many developers are even trained in built environment. They got rich doing something else, then decided to venture into property development. Then they pay architects who would design the way they think appeals to the rakyat. And of course, rakyat being susceptible to advertisements, starts spending money on inappropriately designed houses.

And there's also the problem of kontraktor cuba buat kerja arkitek. This is very common, as home owners think that architects are just some glorified chef, and can save cost by NOT paying architects. So sekarang rumah kau panas, rasakan.
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Ventilation, air-well, fresh air changes all mentioned in UBBL / CIDB mah.
If building not up to code still can pass CCC means what?
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Got one housing area in premium place in kalabg valley. Got heat trap .design failure .no air vent to channel hot air . The developer compesate by gave 3 econ fir each house. Cant ammend coz it related to many law and design that already sign up in snp
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Different time, different design.

Old houses used to have high ceiling and high windows for good ventilation. The problem is that it is difficult to clean the high ceiling and those high windows can be entry point for burglars.

Modern houses abandon this design and assume owner will put AC. Some new houses don't have ceiling fan point but come with AC points.


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QUOTE(Current Events guy @ Oct 21 2022, 06:03 PM)
Apa different old vs new house?

Must be the inside.

The outside looks the same.
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Designer house has lots of glasses that would turn sun ray into heat. Also western house design likes to trap air in house without air circulation out to increase amount of CO2 to heat up temperature. The right local oriented house would divert air into house and circulate out so that there won't be concentrated CO2.
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Install air con

Modern problems require modern solutions
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Not only poorly engineered, but also poorly designed aesthetically. Featureless facades similar to the featureless faces of the designers and architects who design them.
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QUOTE(Smitten @ Oct 21 2022, 09:46 PM)
Ventilation, air-well, fresh air changes all mentioned in UBBL / CIDB mah.
If building not up to code still can pass CCC means what?
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It can be up to code but still insufficient. UBBL was not written based on the science we have today.
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paskal come bg nasihat

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Sos https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/5146856/+20
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insulate the roof
install the air ventilator
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Oct 21 2022, 11:10 PM)
It can be up to code but still insufficient. UBBL was not written based on the science we have today.
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I see... Can follow best practices, no need UBBL to tell minimum opening must be 10% of flooor space.

I blame greed. Profit over everything else.
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Modern design suka pakai glass that is y hot + floor quality they like to give u shit quality.
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If houses don't trap heat, how TNB want untung atas angin ?

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Ang Moh house use big glass to replace wall…. Malaysia also follow…. last last waste more money for curtains……. Too HOT
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R value, wrong material in wrong design. End up use more energy to cool off
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meanwhile me staying in shoebox flat high-rise very cooling no aircond needed
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QUOTE(mick84 @ Oct 21 2022, 11:55 PM)
Ang Moh house use big glass to replace wall…. Malaysia also follow…. last last waste more money for curtains……. Too HOT
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Ang moh’s glass all double glazed with low U value and SHGC.

Here we use normal glass not knowing how much heat it brings in lel
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msia electric too cheap
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Put up glasswool or rockwool insulation beneath the roof, and support the insulation with woven aluminium sheet.

I spend rm6k for the entire roof insulation, and now paying around rm150 for electricity.
5 aircond, 5 toilets, 1 garage full of high powered tools

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more holes/more windows = dust. especially if your house is facing busy road.

if you have air vent on the roof, proper placement has to be made to prevent rain coming inside.

i have 4 turbine ventilator on my roof, my house just feel not that hot.
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If your house hot and also got high electricity bills, use solar panel. Reduce some heat go to inside your house.

Boleh kan?
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QUOTE(Coldf3ar @ Oct 22 2022, 08:01 AM)
If your house hot and also got high electricity bills, use solar panel. Reduce some heat go to inside your house.

Boleh kan?
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Yes, that is correct

Reduce heat buildup between the roof n ceiling
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QUOTE(samftrmd @ Oct 21 2022, 07:59 PM)
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Ya ktard what also expert...terrorism expert, military expert, geopolitical expert + driving mercedes e class etc etc....padahal b40 unemployed really topkek
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QUOTE(Smitten @ Oct 21 2022, 11:26 PM)
I see... Can follow best practices, no need UBBL to tell minimum opening must be 10% of flooor space.

I blame greed. Profit over everything else.
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UBBL provides baseline. Meaning it tells you for certain space, it must have minimum opening for lighting and ventilation. This prevents idiots from designing low-cost housing with absolutely no windows to 'maximize profit'.

But, the minimum opening size defined by UBBL is not the optimum size. Refer below:

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10% of floor size? That's really small. A typical 3x4m room is 12msq. Meaning the minimum size of the window is 1.2msq, which is about 1m x 1.2m. This is what most developers use as a standard. However, we now know (through science) that ventilation needs inlet and outlet. Providing just opening on one side of the wall does not guarantee air circulation.

And having a 2msq window pun tak guna if it opens to an airshaft that barely gets any light (like in some apartment/flat designs).
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QUOTE(Mattrock @ Oct 21 2022, 10:58 PM)
Not only poorly engineered, but also poorly designed aesthetically. Featureless facades similar to the featureless faces of the designers and architects who design them.
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TBH old design use those swing open horizontally windows but not practical in strong wind/heavy rain scenario as the window pane friction is insufficient to brake

Then I went SG
already using sideways sliding windows since decades ago.

QUOTE(Skylinestar @ Oct 21 2022, 05:55 PM)
Local kid further study in country with 4 seasons. Comes back as an architect and designs house based on foreign designs. Ends up with house that is designed to withstand winter.

Old house below has lower temperature.
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No need study THAT hard to know black traps heat more than lighter colours


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Ya. Floor to ceiling glass windows are dumb in
Malaysia. Literally a living in a greenhouse
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Like this. Bukak.
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Kasi maximize space utk buat umah

Designer or architect dont give a shit about the weather
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QUOTE(joe_star @ Oct 21 2022, 07:14 PM)
Red brick, air well in center, the ventilation bricks on the top part of the wall
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This refer to new house right ? Most new house I notice got this trend to have a huge air well in the middle of the house for ventilation and natural light. Nowadays ppl design with high ceiling as well.
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QUOTE(croydon @ Oct 21 2022, 10:50 PM)
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What is this shit

Don't you need at least a foot air gap
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Oct 22 2022, 09:24 AM)
UBBL provides baseline. Meaning it tells you for certain space, it must have minimum opening for lighting and ventilation. This prevents idiots from designing low-cost housing with absolutely no windows to 'maximize profit'.

But, the minimum opening size defined by UBBL is not the optimum size. Refer below:

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10% of floor size? That's really small. A typical 3x4m room is 12msq. Meaning the minimum size of the window is 1.2msq, which is about 1m x 1.2m. This is what most developers use as a standard. However, we now know (through science) that ventilation needs inlet and outlet. Providing just opening on one side of the wall does not guarantee air circulation.

And having a 2msq window pun tak guna if it opens to an airshaft that barely gets any light (like in some apartment/flat designs).
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Developer being generous by using same window size for other smaller sized bedrooms and kitchen.
The door opening could serve as outlet to provide cross ventilation?

That 6.5 room needs air-con, kitchen/yard and bathrooms opens to same air shaft. Maybe high floor no need.
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QUOTE(nihility @ Oct 21 2022, 06:06 PM)
Air vent . Old house got void for natural air vent.
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Higher ceiling and air vents. Now all want look nice lower the ceiling with board sure heat can’t go far. My old houses in Pg with this design rarely use air con at jight cos cooling. In KV new design with developer made lower ceiling jibai kena use aircon from 6pm.



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QUOTE(Smitten @ Oct 22 2022, 06:56 PM)
Developer being generous by using same window size for other smaller sized bedrooms and kitchen.
The door opening could serve as outlet to provide cross ventilation?

That 6.5 room needs air-con, kitchen/yard and bathrooms opens to same air shaft. Maybe high floor no need.
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Developer being generous?

If developers are being generous, they'd pay the architects' fees in full and follow whatever the architect recommends.
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Oct 22 2022, 09:25 PM)
Developer being generous?

If developers are being generous, they'd pay the architects' fees in full and follow whatever the architect recommends.
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Architects just translate client's brief.

Its the structural engineer holding it up...
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QUOTE(Smitten @ Oct 22 2022, 09:39 PM)
Architects just translate client's brief.

Its the structural engineer holding it up...
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And also the govt officer where u need their approval for the plan and CCC lol
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QUOTE(Smitten @ Oct 22 2022, 09:39 PM)
Architects just translate client's brief.

Its the structural engineer holding it up...
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Ummm no.
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QUOTE(Akaashi @ Oct 22 2022, 09:49 PM)
And also the govt officer where u need their approval for the plan and CCC lol
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Let's just say that could be solved with some encouragement.

QUOTE(azarimy @ Oct 22 2022, 09:50 PM)
Ummm no.
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Reason being almost all with same layout.
Recycling building plan?

 

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