EDMAESTRO,
Not commenting on whether he cheats or the buyer cheats as we also don't know the case.
But since the item, actually 2 items that buyer bought and shipped at the same time which I have gotten the confirmation on. One is spoiled and another one is not. So since buyer is asking for a refund of half price, just out of good faith; seller might as well refund and get it over with.
In the case, ppl would not recognise him as a con or irresponsible seller than.

From the look of it, buyer is also an avid collector; thus it might repair the relationship and buyer might continue dealing with him.

Sometimes in dealing business, it's more about reputation instead of who is right or wrong.

True and on the other hand, business nature to maintain a goodwill and responsible seller to end dispute swiftly without causing anymore trouble. Should meet and negotiated terms, sometimes problem can be settled without using money.

I guess they can't "meet-up" thus the transactions by mail.
kekekeke...
yeah face to face meeting is more easy to resolve problems.

what i can say is all of us here except the buyer and seller knew the whole truth, lots of us do not know head do not know tail, but yet try to give lots of bias comments to both parties, this is not fair, what i can see from how the buyer replied the newest sms as in he is very fed up redi, it seems that we have alredi helped to conclude that it was the seller's fault for sure, and who can actually confirm that? I suggest that we dont draw conclusion on who's fault is that and just let the seller buyer settle it themselves when they knew what is going on.

I think seller is hiding something. All the pictures he took it amazes me. With flash on, i thought the whole damn thing is NEW . I can't even see a single flaw. And that cellophane tape on the joints, that i wouldn't call it 'mint' condition. Also by judging the seller's reply to TS telling him refunding is not an option and asking him to repair it and resell it at RM300. That clearly shows seller knew the item was faulty.

Also, TS is too good to offer RM230 and a refund of just RM70 for a broken item.

there are many ppl around which is not experts of using cameras, thats why they are so called "idiot cameras" in the market, some ppl dont even know how to disable or enable flash, so u cant keep on thinking that every move every one take must have some evil motive behind it, we have no proof, so we cannot just simply do the blaming, has u been a fren for many years and understand the buyer and seller well?? if not, how can u tell wat kind of ppl he is or might be just by reading such limited number of posts out there? I just dont like seeing ppl here just blame one party simply without solid proof, that is just unfair doing so, we cant judge something without knowing it, just as if i cant just say, oh that girl should be able to sing very well and have powerful voice just by looking at her photo..... it just dont work that way.

Hi zoglandboy,

Perhaps ur right about the camera-idiot part. But all in all, if u analyse the entire situation based on the (very limited) proof, the seller IS guilty of misrepresentation by way of omission.

The pics clearly showed that the item was practically new and the seller did not make the effort to inform potential buyers that it is quite worn. With reference to the picture comparison that I've posted several posts back, if it weren't for the 2 dents on the fender, I would have thought they were 2 totaly different sets altogether.

Therefore, it is reasonable foreseeable that potential buyers would believe that what they are getting is one which is in pristine condition albeit slightly used (as the pictures shown). Or as some may put it, what you see is what you get - which clearly isn't the case here.

Furthermore, the pictures that the seller took (which shows that the unit is in DAMN good condition) may have also acted as an inducement for TS to buy the unit. If the condition of the unit is otherwise than is shown in the picture, the seller should have made the effort in notifying the buyer about it. Otherwise, it is clearly a case of fraudulent misstatement by way of omission. In other words, there are traces pointing to cheating elements in this case.

We are not judging the seller's character. We are judging the case as a whole. And in THIS case, the TS is clearly a victim of misrepresentation (and potentially fraud). And the SMS evidence presented by the TS only strengtens this. The seller should refund the TS

Good day to all

hi kerazul,

has u been following up all their personal communications to be sure that the seller never tried to tell the buyer about the real condition of the toy? I dont think anyone knew better than the buyer and seller themselves.

If im a seller, and i tried all my best to describe the situation then suddenly, someone blame u for something, i will get a bad temper and can speak out very bad words when im still mad and hasn't cool myself down, so wat he replied in his SMS is hardly understandable if we dont see him when he is sending it, wat is his emotions back then? Maybe his boss just scold him, his gf just fight with him and suddenly this msg drop in to worsen the case???

The buyer do say he "sounds calm" like he has expected things, but i learnt public speaking before, we are taught to hide are anger, fear during speaking to show confidence, many ppl can just fool ppl about how they reli feel when they speak, especially if im in this case, first thing in my head, is god, something bad happened to my product, better stay calm and think wat should i do now, so being "calm" is a normal thing ppl shuld do, how can u be sure there must be a big conspiracy behind that?

Some evidence and facts are just hardly acceptable analysed by many ppl above, the old yellowish tape?? cant i use an old yellowish to tape it on? must it be brand new when i tape it on? im not saying that the buyer did this, just wanna share that tape being yellowish still does not necessary mean it must be the seller doing it.

Most of those that replied here are too biased against the buyer, so i dont think it will be fair, coz more and more reader will come in and read the replies and at normal circumstances, be affected by others and will somehow create a stereotype against the seller.

We have no way to conclude who is faulty? How can we be sure there isn't any postman checking stuff by random, and accidentally opened it, saw the funny toy, tried to play a little when his colleagues are going for lunch break or toilet break, accidentally the leg fall off, so he quickly pull some tape nearby to fix it, then carefully package back, so the other BT survived it.... When u receive the condition of the packaging is nice might show effort of postman packing it back carefully to cover his crime???

Just wish we stop accusing each other blindly for now, it will only worsen the case, maybe the seller might initially think of a refund to settle the case since they cant conclude who is wrong, but bad comments arise here might change his mind, so u are not helping by throwing in unproven accuse, i will still say that is best that let the buyer and seller settle it by themselves coz they are the only ones that knew wat truly happens....

From the pictures posted by Jocko-D and TS, can say(95%) is the same car but the white color at the spot of the paint pail off (in Jacko-D pic) has been photoshoped. The paint pail off spot in Jacko-D a little bit brighter than color around it.

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From wat i see is that the photo has been "photoshop"
especially the white spots on the pic of jacko-d.....it is whiter than the other parts...

What?? RM300 for that plastic?? shit.... hehehe..

Anyway, cheaters are idiots. however i also have to say that if the alleged cheater is really innocent, he will really feel mega distress especially with all the forumers pointing at him now.

As usual, gods now and trade online is like that lorr.. you have the fun and now must bear the pain

It is not plastic, the outer surface is Metal

I've been talking about this since page 5 of this thread............................

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