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TSplouffle0789
post Sep 24 2022, 12:43 AM

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QUOTE(blanket84 @ Sep 21 2022, 05:15 PM)
TS posted set of handheld shower and overhead shower only. There is no mixer in the photo. And TS still need to buy mixer and storage water heater.
No. I bought grohe + storage water heater + water pump.
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storage water heater what brand?

what is the brand of water pump?


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post Sep 24 2022, 12:44 AM

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QUOTE(LamboSama @ Sep 21 2022, 05:17 PM)
Overhead with instant water heater is pretty useless.
The heat already dissipate before reach you.
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so which is the best way if i want water heater and shower head?
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post Sep 24 2022, 12:45 AM

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QUOTE(ozak @ Sep 21 2022, 11:31 AM)
That Panasonic pump heater is not strong enough for big shower head like Grohe. That Grohe require a high pressure or bigger pump.

Even that Panasonic heater comes with an overhead shower, it is not as powerful as what you think.

I have had a similar set from Rinnai for many yrs.
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Even that Panasonic heater comes with its own overhead shower, it is not as powerful as what you think.


do you means this?



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blanket84
post Sep 24 2022, 08:47 AM

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QUOTE(plouffle0789 @ Sep 24 2022, 12:43 AM)
storage water heater what brand?

what is the brand of water pump?
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Joven for storage water heater, grundfos scala2 for water pump.

For mixer, I use external mixer for easier maintenance and future replacement if needed.

Below is the image when first installed.

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post Sep 24 2022, 11:18 AM

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QUOTE(plouffle0789 @ Sep 24 2022, 12:45 AM)
Even that Panasonic heater comes with its own overhead shower, it is not as powerful as what you think.
do you means this?
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Yup
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post Sep 26 2022, 05:28 PM

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QUOTE(plouffle0789 @ Sep 21 2022, 02:06 AM)
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https://www.panasonic.com/my/consumer/home-...h-3ndp1msr.html
which one better?


HOPE PANASONIC HAVE SUCH FUNCTION ALSO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

AMAERICAN STANDARD


GOOD?


Product Specifications:

Power supply: 240 V, 50Hz

Power consumption:3.6 kW

Water Pressure (kgf / cm) MaX: 3.87 kgf / cm

Water Pressure (kgf / cm) Min: 0.05 kgf / cm

Water Pressure (kPa) MaX: 380 kPa

Water Pressure (kPa) Min: 4.9 kPa

Jet Pump :    DC PUMP

Power Selection: Digital Temperature Control with LCD


Power Stop System : One Push Stop System

Water Stop System: One Push Stop System


Body Color: Skin Silver

Dimension (H X W X D) mm: 380 X 200 X 89

Shower Head Color: Skin Silver

Design : Oval

Spray Type: 3-Way

Shower Plate :Ag+ Anti Bacteria

Body Weight (Net) Kg: 3.0kg

e-CYCLE: Yes

e-HYBRID :No

Large LCD Display: Yes
Rain Shower: Yes

9 Safety Device Push On-Off Switch: Yes

Built-in ELB: Yes

Heater Unit: Copper

Auto Thermal Cut Off: 55C


Manual Reset Thermostat: Yes


Water Flow Sensor: Yes

Water Splash Proof: IP25

Low Noise Operation

Low Noise DC Pump

The DC pump gives you both a powerful water flow and quiet operation. You can feel free to take a shower late at night or after the family has gone to sleep.

*Made In Japan DC pump

The Comfort of a Steady Temperature

Structure: Insulated

Material: Non Flammable Material Compliance
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I think you are comparing 2 shower systems, here are the pros and cons.

1. Rainshower with hidden water heater (hotel-like experience)
a. Pro - Luxurious | with high water flow and high range of temperature adjustment capabilities, hot enough to use to fill up bathtub.
b. Con - Expensive parts and installation / servicing cost.

2. Rainshower with instant water heater
a. Pro - Components required are much more cheaper than option 1, and much cheaper installation cost.
b. Con - Subpar water flow and warm water just enough for shower, but definitely not for bathtub usage.


Things required for:

1. Rainshower with hidden water heater (hotel-like experience)
a. Cold and hot water pipings (Cold to water heater and mixer; hot from water heater to mixer)
b. Mixer (for u to mix the cold and hot water to get the ideal temperature for yourself, like what u see in hotels)
c. Standalone rain shower set - usually has larger nozzles compared to those that comes with instant water heaters, hence output water flow is more high pressure / luxurious
d. Powerful external water booster pump - like Grundfos, to boost your house's water pressure. beware if pressure is too high it might destroy substandard pipings around the house. This pump can be quite loud.
e. Hidden water heaters, either:
i. Storage water heaters - Go for enamel-coated storage water heaters (brands like Centon / Alpha) which is newer technology and more resistant to leakage, and not stainless steel storage water heaters (brands like Joven / Elton) which is older technology and more prone to leakage and more expensive.
ii. High-powered instant water heaters - up to 7kW ones (brands like Beebest / Centon), but still not as hot as storage water heaters.
f. Expensive installation and plaster ceiling modification to fit in the water heater above the ceiling.

2. Rainshower with instant water heater
a. Cold water piping only (to instant water heater)
b. Instant water heaters with rainshower set - the higher kW the hotter the output water temperature. But definitely still not as hot as storage water heater. And the built-in pump in instant water heater is wayyy underpowered compared to external water booster pump.
c. Basic installation. No plaster ceiling modification required.
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post Oct 2 2022, 01:00 PM

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QUOTE(ozak @ Sep 24 2022, 11:18 AM)
Yup
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so how do I solve this problem?

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