Warrior

no sweeping strikes and mortal strike?

I'm a solo char....
what would you recommend?
Mind editing that template ?

ppl spec arms for mortal strike. i dont play the warrior class so i wouldn't be able to give any recommendations. just wait for a while, we've got plenty of warrior players here.

This isn't exactly a tanker char...
and i don't wanna create another character.
So would be grateful if someone can help me out.

if ur at least 31 arms MS is a must. period. end of discussion.

30 Rage, sakit....

Request some pro help me edit...
i think i can buang the thunder clap lah.

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classe...000000000000000

one decent solo pve spec.

AND BURN THIS IN YOUR BRAIN, 31 ARMS OR 31 FURY YOU GET MS OR BLOODTHIRST
dont even discuss this.
its absolute.
its an universal truth.
its even dividable by zero.

Wah... BloodThirst dam nice weiii... tempting sial.
Can you do one for me with level60 ATM?

Here's my new one
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classe...000000000000000

rend and UBW sucks

Why you want iron will btw?

to fill up 3 talent point requirement. if you hate iron will put it to parry then

Yeah, i guess you are right.... rend does kinda suck for 3 Talent points.
Thanks for the pointers.

and dont forget ur weapon specialization can be any of the other weapon classes. depending on ur race, u gain + weapon profficiency bonus for diff races.

Tauren dun have weapon specialization now, do they?
War Stomp kinda stinks.

Hmm .. i din get what u want. A talent for Pve or pvp ?

i guess that won't be good enough for pvp...
what's a typical warrior talent for pvp?

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=LV0xdNbog0dbZE0zm0xRZc

this would be a typical warr pvp talent. You can also remove 2 point from blood frenzy and get improve slam for some burst dmg.

he's doing it for lvl 60

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Added on October 2, 2007, 4:16 pmIf ur lvlling, i'll go with something along the lines of this.

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=LAM0dAbog0kbZE0zV

This post has been edited by Kurei: Oct 2 2007, 04:16 PM

my advise: Reroll

warrior is very gear dependable, and is nothing if you dont intend to put hard work to obtain eng game pve pvp gears, then you'll have no fun and you felt the game is against you. conclusion, you'll quit the game

I find hunter is perfect for casuals even for soloing, you can farm, pvp, instancing etc. in pvp you just need to hide and shoot from far 41yrd ftw. Hunter = easymode and not gear dependable when soloing. SO much less downtime

Edit: MS is a must for your lvl as MS is +dmg (fix) and also an instant attack, on contrast Bloodthirst is not weapon dependable, it's AP base dmg, and I sure you wont have the AP to do the decent dmg so forget it.
41 arms endless rage is crap, rage is normalised and rage gain is depend on weapon speed, slower = more rage per swing READ Careful Per swing if you get what I mean. To play a warrior effectively no matter tanking or pvping, how you manage/spend your rage is the key.

This post has been edited by Chinhui: Oct 3 2007, 02:33 AM

hehe...
coming from a SIZE DOES MATTER mentality background,
i have always been a warrior at heart. In real life, i hit the gym too trying to get big.
It's in my DNA. I am a warrior... can't expect me to run around shooting arrows. And not
just any warrior, it has to be Tauren.

Endless Rage is crap ?? How so?
Regardless of your theory about fast/slow attack, i think getting a boost of 25% more rage
is not too shabby considering it's only 1 talent level.

oh btw, did i mentioned i'm a Taurus?

no just forget about endless rage. Speccing so deep into will make u lose precious talents in the fury tree.

so this is my final one?

Is anger management good btw?

yes that build is solid enough. And anger management is good enuf to put 1 talent pt in it.

my advice, stop being stupid.

warriors are the top tier class in the high end pvp world.
just because you're unsuccessful your class is unsuccessful as well.

and you mentioned hunters, you do realize that they are the LOWEST tier class amongst the rest right? sharing this spot are the rogues.

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Added on October 3, 2007, 9:13 amand thats a good thing, cuz warriors smash faces and a lot of warriors are up high in the ranks sharing spots with warlocks/paladins/priests.

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Added on October 3, 2007, 9:18 amendless rage isnt crap, its just deathwish being too good to pass up for endless rage. so many warriors just exaggerate it by claiming its crap.

personally id go 40/21, a lot easier to play under latency situations.

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Oct 3 2007, 09:18 AM

If that's my level60 char, then what's my level70?
dang... at 60, i don't have neither deathwish nor endless rage

Lv 70 will be likely what i and kurei posted. IF possible, go for axe.

mace more sided towards pvp
axe viable both pvp/pve
swords better on pve

for ur weapon, go for LOLHERALD and u'll smash faces.

You wouldnt need to add anymore talents to arms tree. Just fill in the fury tree.

its called SKILLHERALD.

gotz skillz yo

I think ur a bit harsh on chinhui quaza. -.-

What he said was pretty informative and to fair extent accurate. Warriors are really gear dependant and especially in the OP's case, he's just comin to 70. It'll be awhile before he wields some fury into that warrior of his.

Yea, but along as you play the class you like i think is ok. Gearing up and watching the class you play grow is the best part of the game. With PVP gear being so easily farm as in giving x ammount of time u get x ammount of gear. But in PVE, is totally different story.

have you guys actually look up on the mats for Skillherald? you actually need Nether Vortax, which only drops in SSC above.

That's why go for axe.

yeah but they are still amongst the highest ranks in the pvp world, i will place my judgement on that. and its not hard to gear up, especially post TBC where MANY things are very casual friendly.

i mean cmon, how HARD is it to lose 10 5v5 games a week, to gear up in arenas? yes, LOSE 10 games, not even have to win, go in strip naked and lose. and hell, if you actually try to win, who knows if you can get a decent rating.

lack of gear is NO EXCUSE in pvp. maybe pve where you cant get guild/raid etc etc.

Axe useless if you can't crit (high resil) better go for sword(double attack chance)
but mace is still best for PVP cause no amount of def/gear/resil can protect you from stuns

refer to:
mace more sided towards pvp
axe viable both pvp/pve
swords better on pve


axe is still viable in pvp as it affects ur skill based dmg (eg: MS)

and take this example:

your target has 400 resil, which reduces 10% crit rate

your crit is 20%, so now you only get 10% crit
if you got axe spec, you get 15% crit rate.

so is 10% or 15% better?

sword spec isnt good in pvp because its chance to proc is very random, and even if proc, its subjective to armor, and dodge miss parry, and other forms of mitigations. bear in mind its just an extra swing.
if it chain procs, then yes, arguebly sword spec is the best for pvp. but that dont happen all the time.

He's just 61. -.- And even if he go arena, earning few hundred pts a week will still take him months to be competitive.

Hm are we straying off the topic? lol.

then go for tier 2 version deep thunder lo. the top end dmg still veli kau and it also got the 4 sec stun.

farming honor gear come to mind?

still no, no excuse to not gear up in TBC, especially in tbc.

and not EXACTLY offtopic, since we're kinda still covering warriors. probably good infos for OP anyways

since my last post, you guys are speaking alien language to me.
I'm not even 60, i'm new and starting a tauren warrior char LOL.

but thanks for replying

Sichiri .... i dunno where you get the idea "Axe useless if you can't crit (high resil)". Any weapon is useless if you can't crit .... like what quazo said, a warrior fully gear with axe talent will get around 38-40% crit rate in zerk stance. Resil just reduce the crit rate , not immune. When you made this statement ..... funny picture came into mind that you kill ppl with only mace stun and all uncrit dmg.

i dunno why u say warstomp sucks. unless ur latency is really bad, a well timed warstomp can save ur ass as well as turn the tide in a pvp or pve situation.

It's just 2 sec stun.
If i can sneak in an extra attack, it's pure luck.
If i stun and run, the NPC can still catch up to me.

now if it were 3 secs, then it's a different story.
Or am i doing it wrong?

ur timing could be off or u waited too late to use warstomp. 2 secs too short? it gives u and ur teammates a chance to drink a health pot or quickly bandage urself for 2 secs. u can't kill the mobs that are killing ur healer fast enough, but that 2 secs of stun could let him get a heal off.

most importantly, war stomp is an interrupt. it totally cancels out casting. this racial rocks both pve and pvp. dont expect it to work on bosses though. bosses are usually immune to cc spells and racials.

ah... thanks for sheding some light on this, i usually solo so didn't see how much it could've helped my teammates

or u lag real bad not to notice how good warstomp is. hahaha.

when u put a talent point into sweeping strikes, u can use warstomp to stun 5 melee targets, turn on cleave followed by sweeping strikes for some badas$ aoe dmg.

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classe...0000000000#none

here is the spec of a quite strong warrior i used to know ^^ he is a fury warrior dam scary warrior to duel he is orc btw the racial att is good for warrior.....

another useful example of warstomp:

warstomp, back off (180 degree full turn), turn back, intercept. thats a total of around 6? second stun.

This build is flawed. i wonder what he use to atk beside WW,overpower and heroic strike..... slam maybe

the build is about 5 months old.....sorry but back then he was kick ass pvper.....im trying to get his new build wait wait!!!

That built kicks ass? ROFL...
it's the same one i had in mind on first post LOL

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classe...0000000000#none
nah his current talent he said it kicks ass on pvp he's ranking quite high and he uses stormherlad and atm fully equiped with pvp gear

btw the old talent i posted he used raw speed for dmg together with aq40's gear that was b4 the starting of bc....

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Added on October 3, 2007, 4:20 pmmy wow talent calculator got problem no wonder the first one was the same one with op's........ the first one i posted was a furry one....sigh i repost my friends old one and new one gimme a sec...

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Added on October 3, 2007, 4:29 pmhttp://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/warrior/talents.html?320050213020000000000000505000550501025310510000000000000000000000
-old

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classe...000000000000000
-new

>.< sry....

This post has been edited by Jas2davir: Oct 3 2007, 04:29 PM

that old build, no PH, no imp intercept, or imp slam/imp WW.

PVE or PVP also doesnt fit. if it werent ur friend's talent, id be calling you a f***tard now for posting garbage. power my ass.

o.0 he was strong back then.........btw what abt his new one? is it good?

cookie cutter ms Dwish build, so yea its good.

o.0 i play warlocks dont really know much on warriors just that if they are geared they REALLLY bite hard but if not then they are like cotton candy...unless they are skilled then its a fight....

no matter what char you play, if you see a warrior wielding two hand weapons and not use mortal strike = gimp

rly? well my x gmates said warrior welding 2 handed is mostly for raids......also known a dude in my pvp group an undead warrior used to hold 2 daggers......not kidding...

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Added on October 3, 2007, 6:12 pmthe pvp group as in the servers i pvp with

This post has been edited by Jas2davir: Oct 3 2007, 06:12 PM

Just to add...regardless of the hype.... Endless rage is great for leveling. yes my friend..great for LVLING....helps with tanking, dps...u name it....

for lvling spec..after lvling a few warriors.. 1-40...stick with 2H fury....the extra ap, crit, UW, PH is godly early lvls.

once 40, spec MS...the pwnage ...u'll nvr turn back from this..go all the way till u hit 50 and pick up endless rage...it rules for lvling the last 20 lvls.
second wind and WM is a must take...no sane warrior is without it.. WM soon to be nerfed...but..still a good talent...

once u hit 60...you can either respec to MS and pick up WM and SW..then move most points into fury..pickin up crit etc.

oh yea...use SLAM....it is godly.... get quartz swingtimer while ur at it...
easily can mow down mobs. (white swing-> slam-> MS ) should be able to do this very easily with Endless Rage...


hehe...flame on

nothing to flame about, endless rage is good, as i mentioned. just that Dwish is better. but for leveling, obviously not as ur comparing that works 24/7 over something that works once every few minutes.

What if the 2 weapons were warglaives.

isnt warglaives consider as sword not a fist?

whoever mentioned it was fist.

btw what is resiliance?? is it a new thing in the pvp world or am i that outdated in wow??

ur that outdated. haha. yes its a new thing in the pvp world that reduced crit % n crit dmg %

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Added on October 3, 2007, 11:43 pmur that outdated. haha. yes its a new thing in the pvp world that reduced crit % n crit dmg %

This post has been edited by Kurei: Oct 3 2007, 11:43 PM

lose 10 games per week everyweek = YES, you get gears and that's casual

maths, average skilled pvper earn 900-1.1k arena points per week and it's 2 weeks for a chest/helm/legging slot BUT lose 10 games per week everyweek granted you will make new 1500 fresh weekly 5s gives you <400 per week? So where would you be in 5 weeks time?

I'm not trying to discourage ppl away from playing warrior. if that how my point being interpreted, I do apologise.
WHat I meant was, warrior is THE MOST gear dependable class compare with other classes (some may disagree, but most would agree) so that's the downpoint if you dont work hard to obtain your gears. However warrior scales very well with gear compare with other classes and you'll feel great and have lots of fun.

Stormherald = is not Skillherald
it relies on luck btw for the stun and mace stun % will be tone down in 2.3, it will still be good but it wont be clearly the favourite

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Added on October 4, 2007, 2:22 amQuaza is also right about Endless Rage is NOT crap, and I'm wrong to say it crap.

Let me be precise on this point.
All talent points at all 3 talent trees for all classes are good but we only have like 61 points at lvl 70. So you would choose to spend them wisely and get the most out of the talent points you spend.
at lvl 70, Endless rage and improve Mortal Strike is not worth the trade off against deathwish and improve intercept.

This post has been edited by Chinhui: Oct 4 2007, 02:22 AM

king83, to spec into Endless Rage or not is up to you really. different players has different point of view. why not give both (or more) builds a try and see which would suits you.

gear dependant true, but my entire point is that lacking gear in tbc is really no excuse as its so damn casual friendly.

and stormherald is indeed called skillherald. go google/wowforum/wowchat/wowblog more.
yes, it relies on luck, but when people are getting stunned over 20+ seconds undiminished, something is horribly wrong. i personally got a record being stunlocked around 23 ish second, not a microecond able to move. why i was alive? i got healer, but he eventually went oom, cuz healing against MS is clearly no EZ task.
so there you go, skillherald, CLEARLY takes skill.

WHEN ITS A 41 POINT TALENT AND HARDLY ANYONE USE IT, ITS f***ING CRAP OK NON DEBATABLE GOSH.

thats not true for priest's holy and disc tree.

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Added on October 4, 2007, 12:01 pm2 handed is better for pvp as arms ms build. dual wielding weapons is better for raiding as a dps class.

This post has been edited by flush: Oct 4 2007, 12:01 PM

warrior without MS = useless in arena

it's sad really, doesnt give you any chance to play 100% the way you like. Yea, paying $15 per month, you should play how you want. But ppl can tell you "fine it's your $15 per month, but in our team, it's our other $60 and we dont think you fit in"

I want to go fury for pvp/arena but just dont cut it
I want to go heroics as dps warrior but I offer no utility and overaggro too easily, ppl would rather choose other classes.

there'r some good pallies I know of are Shockadins/Retardin, they want to do well in arena but to no avail, they just cant fit it, and they have to go holy...

My new favorite emote is /flop.

Coz thats how my Shaman feels in PvP these days.

cry more elsewhere, every class has the exact same problem. want to be on the top? prepare to sacrifice and work for it instead of crying.

LOL... i need to get mining and blacksmithing ?
but ores are soo rare

making lotsa money with leather

u'll make more with mining thorium. >.> not to mention that you find gems in higher level ores which can be cut into pretty gems.

depending on situation leatherworking can make a lot more than mining

reason is that most of the time ive been to grind/daily quests etc, most people arent skinners and chances are theres a ton of beast corpses.

netherwing mines come into mind at this point, no one skins at all. just a pile of FREE skins waiting for you to jack it. you DONT even have to kill, just go there and skin your hearts out.

or even shadowmoonvalley. the beasts just outside horde base, people kill them for the netherwing daily quest (the glands) and leave their corpses behind. those are free cash too.

=edit=
another thing to note is, mining can be very luck dependant (how many mine hits you can make, does it drop blue gems or not etc)
while leatherworking is very consistant.

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Oct 12 2007, 03:29 PM

at my level (click my siggy),
i can make hard leather.

hard leather is really bringing in the big bucks