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Armesh
post Sep 29 2022, 09:10 PM

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QUOTE(MAGAMan-X @ Sep 29 2022, 06:36 PM)
I stopped tracking calories after 3 months. It's not very productive, and that's not how calories work. Our bodies are not thermal generators and it doesn't run on heat.

Take the majority of your "calories" from fat, i.e >50%, cut all carbs if possible, and if you *must* have carbs, limit it to 20 grams a day. The rest of your macro can be protein. When you eat, you eat until you are full. Drink water only when you are thirsty, and avoid eating 3-4 hours prior to sleeping.

One thing about protein and the use is that in order for your body to form a certain protein molecule, it will need the entire set of amino acids. Think of it as spelling a word, if it's missing a letter, then the set of letters is useless, and will be converted to glucose (through gluconeogenesis). So take as many different types of protein as you can, but beef and eggs are typically the most complete and bioavailable sources.
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Your advice is HORRIBLE.
Carbs are good, they fuel your day and workouts.

Im an advance lifter and eat 400grams carbs per day
Lot of big bodybuilders eat 600+ grams carbs per day

Protein from plants are still useful even not complete. You can pair with other plants to make them complete.
All meat sources have complete protein, not only beef/eggs.
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post Sep 29 2022, 09:38 PM

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QUOTE(Armesh @ Sep 29 2022, 09:10 PM)
Your advice is HORRIBLE.
Carbs are good, they fuel your day and workouts.

Im an advance lifter and eat 400grams  carbs per day
Lot of big bodybuilders eat 600+ grams carbs per day

Protein from plants are still useful even not complete. You can pair with other plants to make them complete.
All meat sources have complete protein, not only beef/eggs.
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You think carbs are good because you don't know what happens to carbs in your body, and how your body uses carbs. Proteins are useful only if your body can use them, otherwise, they are converted into glucose or glucagon or anyone one of those variants.

You think this and that macroprotein is good because you're thinking that's how food works, when the proper way to understand nutrition, is to learn how the body works.

Meat sources contain more complete protein, but they don't always have all of it, because your body uses all types of amino acids to make collagen, to make hormones, to make keratin, and so on and so forth. Also, you gotta know not all food have the same bioavailability, but meat and eggs have the highest.
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post Sep 29 2022, 09:59 PM

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QUOTE(MAGAMan-X @ Sep 29 2022, 09:38 PM)
You think carbs are good because you don't know what happens to carbs in your body, and how your body uses carbs. Proteins are useful only if your body can use them, otherwise, they are converted into glucose or glucagon or anyone one of those variants.

You think this and that macroprotein is good because you're thinking that's how food works, when the proper way to understand nutrition, is to learn how the body works.

Meat sources contain more complete protein, but they don't always have all of it, because your body uses all types of amino acids to make collagen, to make hormones, to make keratin, and so on and so forth. Also, you gotta know not all food have the same bioavailability, but meat and eggs have the highest.
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Whey protein has highest bioavailability, followed by eggs, then meat.
Anyway wont make much diff to your muscle gains regardless u get your protein from whey, eggs, chicken or beef or pork or ikan bilis...

As I know all animals/meat have complete protein. Which animal don't have complete protein?


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post Sep 29 2022, 10:21 PM

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QUOTE(Armesh @ Sep 29 2022, 09:59 PM)
Whey protein has highest bioavailability, followed by eggs, then meat.
Anyway wont make much diff to your muscle gains regardless u get your protein from whey, eggs, chicken or beef or pork or ikan bilis...

As I know all animals/meat have complete protein. Which animal don't have complete protein?
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protein_quality
Eggs seems to be higher quality more rounded source of protein to me. As I had said in another post, excess protein gets converted into glucose, and that raises insulin, something I don't want. I stay away from protein powder because of the artificial sweeteners.


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post Sep 29 2022, 10:52 PM

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QUOTE(MAGAMan-X @ Sep 29 2022, 10:21 PM)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protein_quality
Eggs seems to be higher quality more rounded source of protein to me. As I had said in another post, excess protein gets converted into glucose, and that raises insulin, something I don't want. I stay away from protein powder because of the artificial sweeteners.
You haven't answered my question on

Which animal don't have complete protein?


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Meat sources contain more complete protein, but they don't always have all of it

Else you are just stating nonsense by saying the above.

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post Sep 29 2022, 11:05 PM

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QUOTE(Armesh @ Sep 29 2022, 10:52 PM)
You haven't answered my question on

Which animal don't have complete protein?
Else you are just stating nonsense by saying the above.
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I attached a YouTube video. Watch it before you simply start accusing people doh.gif
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post Sep 29 2022, 11:12 PM

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QUOTE(MAGAMan-X @ Sep 29 2022, 11:05 PM)
I attached a YouTube video. Watch it before you simply start accusing people doh.gif
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You just have to state the animal(s) name. Why make me watch a whole video lol.

You should know which animal(s) don't have complete protein since you claim that.
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post Sep 29 2022, 11:21 PM

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QUOTE(Armesh @ Sep 29 2022, 11:12 PM)
You just have to state the animal(s) name. Why make me watch a whole video lol.

You should know which animal(s) don't have complete protein since you claim that.
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Hmm... I should have phrased it as "quality protein", rather than complete.

Now my turn. Since you made the claim that carbs are good, can you explain how it is good, and what happens when it enters the body?

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post Sep 29 2022, 11:34 PM

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QUOTE(MAGAMan-X @ Sep 29 2022, 11:21 PM)
Hmm... I should have phrased it as "quality protein", rather than complete.

Now my turn. Since you made the claim that carbs are good, can you explain how it is good, and what happens when it enters the body?
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Carbs are needed to preform optimally as an athlete.
Optimally fuel your intense workouts.

Minimum of around 130 grams of carbohydrates per day is also needed for your brain function properly

Eliminating a whole macronutrient is not a good idea. Eat in moderation.
Ussualy 20% protein, 20% fat, 60% Carbs.

Replacing your carbs with alot of fats (Keto) will likely cause your cholestrol to spike VERY HIGH, leading to an early heart attack (tis has happened to few people for real).

Keto diets should only be used in special events e.g preparing for photoshoot or bodybuilding competition.

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post Sep 30 2022, 12:10 AM

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QUOTE(Armesh @ Sep 29 2022, 11:34 PM)
Carbs are needed to preform optimally as an athlete.
Optimally fuel your intense workouts.

Minimum of around 130 grams of carbohydrates per day is also needed for your brain function properly

Eliminating a whole macronutrient is not a good idea. Eat in moderation.
Ussualy 20% protein, 20% fat, 60% Carbs.

Replacing your carbs with alot of fats (Keto) will likely cause your cholestrol to spike VERY HIGH, leading to an early heart attack (tis has happened to few people for real).

Keto diets should only be used in special events e.g preparing for photoshoot or bodybuilding competition.
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Nope. Glycogen is what is needed for intense workouts. Your muscles can only store so much of glycogen, less than a day's worth. When you drink energy drinks, you have to wait 30-60 minutes to even feel the effect. Glycogen can be replenished through conversion of glucose, and through breaking down protein into glucose. The body makes all the glucose it needs, and has ZERO needs for dietary carbs.

Keto might raise cholesterol levels, but it doesn't cause heart attack. Heart attacks are caused by atherosclerosis, a condition that is far more likely to happen on a high carb diet.

Keto diet should be used in ALL conditions, because that is the natural metabolic condition of the human body. ALL humans are born in ketosis.

You didn't answer one of my question, which is what happens when you carbs enter your body. Answer is your body breaks it down with enzymes (typically amilase) into simple sugars, monosaccharides/disaccharides, and is absorbed in your digestive system. This raises your blood sugar which raises your insulin which results in fat conversion and fat storage. Eating 60% carbs is an invitation to early life metabolic disease.
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post Sep 30 2022, 12:37 AM

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QUOTE(BLKH3 @ Aug 6 2022, 05:26 PM)
I am 66 kg and 168cm tall, male, office worker. Gym bros tell me that I should have 66*2.2=145.2g of protein daily to build muscle OR 1g of protein per pound of body mass which means 66 kg converted to pound is 145.5 pound which is also my protein daily intake in g. 145.2 and 145.5 do not look different from each other, to be honest.
So... gym bros also tell me that chicken breast is best. I do not have a weighing scale. So... my question is

how many chicken breast to eat per day to get my daily protein intake which is 145.2g-145.5g? Tq in advanced.
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Start slowly TS.. dont have to go from 0-100 in an instant.. slowly increase the protein , for example if you're taking 50g of protein start eating 20 more.. and then weekly by weekly increase it .. 145g of protein for your size is ALOT. is it very easy to underestimate 145g of protein in the form of meat..

i would say dont skip Carb at all RICE, Noodle , bread any simple carb you like is a good energy source for your workout eat more if you can before the workout.. (ofcourse the protein also no need mention la) , post workout meal should be higher in protein and less carb ( yes carb consume them not skip them at all ..but less ofcourse but depend on you ) and try to consume some fat ( good fat mostly la but Malaysia food many saturate 1 try to skip them as much as you can but a little bit wont hurt still good as our body need fat to function as well )

but all those protein dont matter if you dont perform the workout well to stimulate muscle growth ,( yes dont expect you going to gym lifting some weight eating some protein will automatically make you as big as those instagram bodybuilder..most of them are not natty anyway rolleyes.gif )

ah well finally the recovery.. assume you done all the above , you gotta sleep..make sure you get that good deep sleep as much as you can cause thats when muscle is repair and grow..

with all that said just take my advice as a grain of salt . good luck TS and remember. dont just do this for the sake of doing it and then quit some time later... muscle building is a process.. a long 1..make sure to enjoy it thumbsup.gif
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post Sep 30 2022, 12:50 AM

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QUOTE(MAGAMan-X @ Sep 30 2022, 12:10 AM)
Nope. Glycogen is what is needed for intense workouts. Your muscles can only store so much of glycogen, less than a day's worth. When you drink energy drinks, you have to wait 30-60 minutes to even feel the effect. Glycogen can be replenished through conversion of glucose, and through breaking down protein into glucose. The body makes all the glucose it needs, and has ZERO needs for dietary carbs.

Keto might raise cholesterol levels, but it doesn't cause heart attack. Heart attacks are caused by atherosclerosis, a condition that is far more likely to happen on a high carb diet.

Keto diet should be used in ALL conditions, because that is the natural metabolic condition of the human body. ALL humans are born in ketosis.

You didn't answer one of my question, which is what happens when you carbs enter your body. Answer is your body breaks it down with enzymes (typically amilase) into simple sugars, monosaccharides/disaccharides, and is absorbed in your digestive system. This raises your blood sugar which raises your insulin which results in fat conversion and fat storage. Eating 60% carbs is an invitation to early life metabolic disease.
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Maintaining high LDL cholestrol levels consistency is what causes rapid atherosclerosis, regardless of carbs.
High fat keto diet will sky high your cholestrol.
Its shown that in women keeping LDL <80mg/dL or 2.0 mmol/L does not cause plague development.
Low LDL cholestrol is key to having a heart attack free lifetime.

Its crazy you avoid tiny bits of artificial sugar in Whey but eat & promote a Keto diet.
Your advice can cause a fatal heart attack.

Nothing wrong with eating carbs causing Insulin release.
You cannot gain fat simply by eating carbs cause insulin.
You only can gain weight (fat/muscle) with caloric surplus, regardless how much carbs u eat.

Metabolic diseases are caused being overweight (got etc factors, but not cause 60% CARBS).
Eating a moderate/high carb balanced diet with adequate nutrition at TDEE calories while maintaining healthy weight and exercise doesn't cause Metabolic disease.

Please eat a balanced healthy diet composed protein fat and CARBS.

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post Sep 30 2022, 01:03 AM

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QUOTE(Armesh @ Sep 30 2022, 12:50 AM)
Maintaining high LDL cholestrol levels consistency is what causes rapid atherosclerosis, regardless of carbs.
High fat keto diet will sky high your cholestrol.
Its shown that in women keeping LDL <80mg/dL or 2.0 mmol/L does not cause plague development.
Low LDL cholestrol is key to having a heart attack free lifetime.

Its crazy you avoid tiny bits of artificial sugar in Whey but eat & promote a Keto diet.
Your advice can cause a fatal heart attack.

Nothing wrong with eating carbs causing Insulin release.
You cannot gain fat simply by eating carbs cause insulin.
You only can gain weight (fat/muscle) with caloric surplus, regardless how much carbs u eat.

Metabolic diseases are caused being overweight (got etc factors, but not cause 60% CARBS).
Eating a moderate/high carb balanced diet with adequate nutrition at TDEE calories while maintaining healthy weight and exercise doesn't cause Metabolic disease.

Please eat a balanced healthy diet composed protein fat and CARBS.
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Atherosclerosis is NOT caused by high levels of LDL, but high levels of oxidized LDL.


The blood in your whole body has roughly one teaspoon of "sugar", this is a very narrow range. If you eat carbs, your body necessarily produce insulin to force glucose into cells to be convert into glycerol and subsequently into triglycerides, ie fat, because high blood sugar level is toxic. This is simply FACT.

You keep harping on about calories, despite me telling you the human body doesn't run on heat, but you don't know what a calorie is. You don't know how the body handle macronutrients, you don't know what cholesterol is, you don't know how the fat in the body get there in the first place, you don't know what ketosis is.

You're basically just repeating the misguided and outdate and incorrect information perpetrated from Ancel Keys and the US FDA over the last 50 years.

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post Oct 21 2022, 08:45 PM

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My God we have another believer of calories don't matter and carbs is the enemy
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QUOTE(axtray @ Oct 21 2022, 08:45 PM)
My God we have another believer of calories don't matter and carbs is the enemy
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QUOTE(BLKH3 @ Aug 6 2022, 05:26 PM)
I am 66 kg and 168cm tall, male, office worker. Gym bros tell me that I should have 66*2.2=145.2g of protein daily to build muscle OR 1g of protein per pound of body mass which means 66 kg converted to pound is 145.5 pound which is also my protein daily intake in g. 145.2 and 145.5 do not look different from each other, to be honest.
So... gym bros also tell me that chicken breast is best. I do not have a weighing scale. So... my question is

how many chicken breast to eat per day to get my daily protein intake which is 145.2g-145.5g? Tq in advanced.
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1. Get a scale. Track your body weight.
2. Make sure lean-muscle is growing, not body fat.
3. Adjust your diet as required.

That's the least you could do.

 

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