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TSepjx31
post Jul 10 2022, 06:42 PM, updated 2y ago

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Hey guys,

As some of you have seen me posted before, I am a tire engineer working for one of the top 4 premium manufacturer. I write mostly about tires on my blog here https://toptirereview.com/. My ultimate goal is to enable consumers to make a more knowledgeable decision when it comes to buying tires and I hope I can do so by using my website as a medium of information.

Anyways, since I am bored and its Sunday, I would take questions related to tires.

Feel free to ask any questions in regards to tires and I will try to answer as good as I can.

Thanks!
TSepjx31
post Jul 10 2022, 08:13 PM

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QUOTE(amduser @ Jul 10 2022, 07:57 PM)
is 3-5 years old unused tyres kept in warehouse away from sunlight still safe to use on road?
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In general yes, it should be safe to use. 2 points here

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The compound usually gets harder over time but this is usually not relevant for summer tires as their wet/dry braking distance do not differ much relative to the age of the tire. Winter tires are a different story as the compound softness plays a big role on ice/snow braking.

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As you keep your tires in a high humidity condition there is a chance that you might see this phenomena "wax blooming". The rubber compound usually contains anti-ozonant to protect tires from oxidation. Depending on your storage conditions migration could be triggered and you will see brown or waxy surfaces on your tire surface after keeping them for 1-2years in a hot & humid warehouse. This could lead to complaints and so on but this is perfectly safe and does not have an impact on perforamnces.

Hopefully this answers your questions.

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post Jul 10 2022, 08:29 PM

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QUOTE(sasuketaichou @ Jul 10 2022, 08:09 PM)
what happen to my old tyre after left it within tyre shop

do they recycle the tyre?
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Good question. There has been a big shift towards the sustainability topic in Europe as everybody wants to have a "circular economy" (Utopia dream..)

Right now half of the used tires are use for energy production through pyrolysis. The rest is either land fill or chopped to small pieces to be used as a filler in a composite system (benches, arm rest....) However as the tire compounds relies heavily on synthetic rubber which is derived from oil, it is not sustainable in the long run. Search for new materials which can be sustainable is on the way but so far neither it is cheap or provide good performances.
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post Jul 10 2022, 09:33 PM

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QUOTE(MrBaba @ Jul 10 2022, 08:34 PM)
How many tire u can carry in 1 go ?
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I think I can carry 1 205/55R16 as its about 10kg. Not more than this smile.gif
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post Jul 10 2022, 10:04 PM

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QUOTE(megahertz @ Jul 10 2022, 08:40 PM)
good thread.

so far im using michelin for my car. those entry price model because it can last me more than 50k km.

as for bike, im using pirelli, very grip at corner.

my question is, those tire mostly made from malaysia and indonesia because of these 2 country hv rubber plantion?
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Michelin is famous with its superior performance in wear while remaining highly competitive in other performances. So you made a good choice.

Having rubber production is a good advantage to have but not necessary. Tire production are based on tax incentives, labor cost & easy of export.






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post Jul 10 2022, 10:08 PM

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QUOTE(cucubud @ Jul 10 2022, 08:45 PM)
When a tyre punctured with a 3 cm hole, the mechanic patched it with a round patch on the inside tyre wall. How long can this type of patching last?
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What do you mean by "tyre wall"? You mean sidewall? --> patching sidewall is super no no as stresses is the highest on the sidewall. Chances of failure is relatively high.

If its on the tread & done properly & properly inflated , tire should be able to withstand till its end of life.
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post Jul 11 2022, 04:30 AM

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QUOTE(cucubud @ Jul 10 2022, 10:45 PM)
Thank you for your reply.
Not the side wall. Wall behind the thread.
Will the glue get dried up and leaks again?
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Sorry, I do not really understand what is the "wall behind the tread"

But anyhow usually glue should last at least 3-5 years. Hence you should always make sure you check and maintain proper tire pressure.
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post Jul 11 2022, 01:22 PM

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QUOTE(amduser @ Jul 11 2022, 10:42 AM)
assume the same tyres model, is there any difference between made in china, thailand, indonesia, malaysia?

but i dont think there is a model of tyre that is manufactured in multiple country though
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So we know what different competitors use different rubber compounds for different regions. Like APAC, North America & Europe.

But if you are talking about South East Asia specs, it should be the same.

Of course every plant has its own tolerances and quality control but they should be relatively the same.
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post Jul 11 2022, 01:30 PM

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QUOTE(amduser @ Jul 11 2022, 10:43 AM)
a 50% used ps4 vs a brand new made in china tyres e.g: Farroad FRD26 or westlake uhp, which will you choose?
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This depends on your requirements. Are you looking for wet or dry? Wet performances actually deteriorates over tread depth which would make the china tire still attractive in terms of pure performances. The opposite is for dry as dry performances actually gets better when the tread depth decreases.

I dont think PS4 had any performance over life time features like the new Michelin tirelines. What we have seen from China tires is that they are not good at solving target conflict. For example, they have outstanding wet braking but very bad mileage performance.

My personal opinion is to go for the used PS4.


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post Jul 11 2022, 06:51 PM

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QUOTE(minizian @ Jul 11 2022, 03:18 PM)
Will upsizing from 185/55 R16 to 205/50 R16 affect in fuel economy and car acceleration assuming using the same wheels

I believe this is due to larger size but from online calculator it was way below (seems like the perfect size to upsize to) the 3 percent threshold (+0.25%) over 185/55 tires.
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In terms of size effects, there is no big difference in terms of rolling resistance coefficient of your 2 sizes. <3%. If you somehow fit this on your vehicle assuming you have +20mm more space width, you are ok. Outer diameter only differs 2.5mm.

Regarding car acceleration, you have a wider front contact patch (205 vs 185) this is helpful in wet braking. But in terms of dry it should not matter.



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post Jul 11 2022, 06:55 PM

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QUOTE(ceo684 @ Jul 11 2022, 03:24 PM)
Why tyre shop ask me to rotate my tyres for a fee, when they're already rotating everyday when I drive?
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Sounds like a joke to me but its quite funny so I will entertain.

What they meant is just switching the front tires with the rear tires due to your traction tire (usually the front) bears the most wear as it has to the heavy digging.

If you want to know more you can check out here as I wrote about why we should do tire rotation.
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post Jul 11 2022, 06:59 PM

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QUOTE(MrBaba @ Jul 11 2022, 06:58 PM)
They say dragon fruit sap can patch tyre up true ?
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Definitely not true.
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post Jul 12 2022, 12:01 AM

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QUOTE(IamAHuman @ Jul 11 2022, 10:03 PM)
Are China made tyres getting more competitive nowadays? If so, for an average daily driver, it would be wiser to gk for China made tyres?
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From the results I see, they are catching up. Big brands such as ling long is relatively ok. But if budget is your constraint, you might as well got for the 2nd brands from the top manufacturers like Dunlop. They provide much more value than the China brands.
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post Jul 12 2022, 07:52 PM

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QUOTE(IamAHuman @ Jul 12 2022, 11:17 AM)
thanks for the advise. I was using almost all brands as I like to feel other makes of 'donus'. Somehow, If you are an average daily driver within town, I feel that there are next to no difference in terms of wet and dry handling. Even stopping also feels the same. Mind you that I tried tyres from top notch brands such as Michelin PS4s, PS4, Primacy 4, Turanza, PZeros to mid range such as Hankook V12evo2, Dunlop Maxx 050+ to budget range such as Dunlop D05, Firestone, etc etc.

Of course these top brands gives you some sense of 'security' but I really wonder whether it's really worth while to 'invest' in top brands. The reason I'm saying this is that because you can see some common defects in top brands such as Michelin PS4 rubber tends to 'peel off' at the thread or GY Asym and Pirellis that are well known of it's lump at the sidewalls etc etc.
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to be honest, every manufacturer has it own "defects" & issues. When you pay for a Michelin you are paying for its technological solution. The tires from them provide you the best possible wet braking while maintaining your wear performance at a very high level. Every tire manufacturer can be good at one single criteria. But to be good in 5-7 such as wet, dry, snow, ice & wear its a whole new different level.

Hence you might not be able to "feel" them when you are driving normally as per say any tire can be used for a normal driving conditions. But it is the moment when you need your tires most, be it during heavy rain or emergency braking where these "expensive" tire comes into play. So as the saying goes from Steve Jobs, "People don't know what they want until you show it to them".

Hope this answers your questions.

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post Jul 12 2022, 07:53 PM

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QUOTE(sume2t @ Jul 12 2022, 02:26 PM)
Good thread!
My question - sometimes the tires (esp front) doesn't inflate at petrol stations, but all ok at tire shop. What could be the potential issue? I have tried multiple petrol stations just to make sure the machine/pressure sensor is not broken.
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Strange, but I would suspect there is something wrong your air inlet valve. Might be worth changing them to see whether its a real culprit. Not worth to keep going back to a tire shop to maintain your air pressure smile.gif
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post Jul 12 2022, 07:58 PM

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QUOTE(minizian @ Jul 12 2022, 09:37 AM)
Thanks for the reply, I am not sure if my 6.5J wheel will be able to fit 205/50 wheels or not.

Tire shop person said cant fit while checking online the minimum width is 5.5J. Not sure who is correct who is wrong, they say its okay to fit 195/50R16 inside but the speedo will be off quite a bit icon_question.gif

Hard to find good fitting third wheels since the stock wheels are not common offset unless go full custom which is not cheap.

Not sure if this is under your field or not.

Also, not sure which tire co your are in but I noticed some of tire brand model have different country of origin. Eg Pilot Sport 4 was made in France while the ST model was made Thailand. Likewise the same goes to Falken which certain model was made in Turkey while SEA model were made in Thailand. I believe Goodyear & Pirelli also hade made in China model & European made.

Are the quality same between country of origin for the same model of tires?
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Michelin have a different product strategy when it comes to global product line. They have the European lines which forms their core, these are the Pilot Sport 4/5, Primacy 4 and then they add a ST for those in APAC. I am pretty sure they are using different construction + compound for their APAC counterparts as the local requirements are also different. They looks the same as the pattern which is what normal users see its the same between the 2 products. So to answer your question, there is a difference between these 2 products not only because they were made in different plants but its tune to the local demands. Of course if you are staying in APAC its wise to get the ST version because it is specifically tuned to our weather climate instead of a European version.

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post Jul 12 2022, 11:24 PM

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QUOTE(faizrajaie @ Jul 12 2022, 09:06 PM)
1) How long do tyres are really safe to be use. Is 5 years the max?
2) so im using an old rwd car which its stock wheels are wider in the rear. Right now i have 205/50/16 in front and 225/50/16 in rear. Problem is the rear tyre size is quite difficult to find. The one im using ps3. Which size do you suggest i change to or just stick to Michelline ps3/4..other brands didn't have this size😢
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1) There are 2 main concerns here, one would be performance as the tread compound tends to harden over time you might get worse wet performances but the margins are quite low. I would say not more than 10 years if everything is normal. 2nd point is the storage conditions. Is the tire loaded ? how's the humidity and temperature in storage? these things affects the compound state but as long you are not killing it it should be fine smile.gif

2) Regarding your tire size, the easiest solution is to change to 205/55R16. They have the size outer diameter and its widely available. Handling would be worse but I dont think you will feel a difference.
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post Jul 13 2022, 06:45 PM

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QUOTE(kdr93 @ Jul 13 2022, 10:46 AM)
Sort of unrelated question but,

Is the tyre industry a good area of work for someone with product R&D background and an interest in cars?

And is it a difficult field to get into?

My current work/line of work is really boring me to death.
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I do not think interest in car is important but R&D background is certainly a plus.

Tire industry is all about target conflicts. An ideal tire engineer solves them with a range of complex material & technology while ensuring it can be still be producible. If you like a challenge, tire industry is definitely something you should explore. I think the key is to be very flexible in terms of learning as you will need mechanical, material, process & simulation knowledge to be a highly effective engineer.

I would not say its difficult but the competition is hot for the premium manufactures.
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post Jul 13 2022, 06:46 PM

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QUOTE(littlefire @ Jul 13 2022, 11:46 AM)
I believe he already answered.
They got their own quality & tolerance control, even in different plant or country the formula should be still similar for same tire model.
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China being in the APAC region, It would be a good guess if there are the same. You could even measure the shore hardness and compared to see is there any big differences.
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post Jul 13 2022, 09:37 PM

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QUOTE(wringle.wringle @ Jul 13 2022, 08:51 PM)
Why big size tyres is more expensive in myr compared to sg
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I can get ps5  lesser by myr200-300 in sg
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I think the price is greatly depending on where the tires are from and also the taxes imposed. The cheapest would be of course a locally sourced tire which has no taxes. PS5 is definitely imported so volumes and price points could differ in Singapore.

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