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TSsubaiku
post Aug 11 2022, 10:18 AM

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QUOTE(ceo684 @ Aug 4 2022, 08:41 AM)
To answer your question, yes you must get a 63A sustained rated to replace a 63A existing component.
Don't cheap out to get a 40A sustained  rated part.

300mA tripping threshold is elcheapo protection for fire only.
Human already die when >50mA pass thru human body.
300mA tripping threshold is 6 times con-con-con-con-con-confirm die.
Or, rather, closing barn door after the horse left.

I put nothing more than 30mA tolerance RCDs for the places I can control.
Because that's the way. In SG and AU all use 30mA for domestic. In MY life is cheap.
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Yes, thank you sifu! Re: 63A, just wanted to make sure since when I went to the shop, sale staff asked me and I also didn't know how to answer.

Which actually leads me to my next problem... when I was going to all the shops to source for the RCCBs and RCBOs nearly every shop staff gave me a funny look when I asked for 30mA tolerance RCCBs. They said it's too sensitive and will trip often and they recommended 100mA instead. (I know, I know, it's the law and 30mA is what all you guys have been recommending, and yes, 100mA still will con-con-con-con-confirm die tongue.gif)

So question for all those of you that actually have 30mA installed, does it actually trip easily? My worry is that I'm out of my condo for long periods of time often, if trip then things like the fridge might be a problem (with all the food rotting and all).
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post Aug 13 2022, 01:50 PM

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QUOTE(davidlow7 @ Aug 11 2022, 02:10 PM)
Well, same issue I faced..

They insisted water heater uses 30mA and when I said ST rule since 1994 is also there already he looked at me and insisted "no such thing ever!"

If you still worry of easily trip (despite the good brands like ABB, Hager won't unless it is a life-threatening leak) then you can continue with 100mA for your lighting and fan, since human are usually not exposed to it. Keep the 30mA maximum for your plug points, and 10mA for water heater.

Bear in mind, you should in fact ensure your steel roof/steel-type awnings are grounded as well (a green wire to connect to your DB busbar directly) for safety - otherwise ((when there is a leak) anyone who climbs the roof to fix/repair something might get electrocuted to death since your lighting/fan RCCB sensitivity is only at 100mA. This also ST requirement actually.
It would be a miracle if people who install awning at his house would get an electrician to help pull a green wire connect to your earth busbar, whilst the awning are fitted with wired lamps/fans.
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Wah... the awning thing, I don’t have that since I live in a condo but my parent’s house has one. Another thing to look into. Thanks!
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post Aug 13 2022, 01:54 PM

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QUOTE(ceo684 @ Aug 11 2022, 10:09 PM)
It doesn't trip often if you buy a genuine ABB or Hager 30mA, current models.
Yes 30 years back models even 300mA also trip every other rain lah. The technology then and now improved a lot.

Nah I show you lah, I moved to SG and left my apartment fridge running.
Its protected with whole house 30mA, ABB.
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100mA for lights and fans?
You still use flourescent tube or halogen high-bay lamps at home??
seriously, 100mA?

Buy a good branded (read: ABB or Hager) 30mA whole house je lah. Dont waste money buying 100mA.
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Thanks for that sifu! 🙏🏻 really gives me peace of mind! Ok, going ahead with Hager 63A, 30mA RCCB. 😊

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post Aug 13 2022, 02:02 PM

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QUOTE(davidlow7 @ Aug 13 2022, 10:07 AM)
Yes but I think the issue we have in Malaysia is enforcement... You can see many electrical shops also selling DB box with 300mA rccb for domestic use. Wiremen taking contracts are mostly non-licensed whilst licensed ones simply charge with no control.

My house wireman luckily is really a knowledgeable person when I asked him to get ready earth wire connected to busbar for my future awning - he said "Singapore standard is like that" - by Singapore standard it does not mean just the guideline but also the enforcement!
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Heheh, mind sharing your wireman’s contact? I think anybody who reads through this thread will want his contact after this. 😁
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post Aug 18 2022, 12:24 PM

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QUOTE(davidlow7 @ Aug 13 2022, 06:13 PM)
I don't have his contact, but only my main con's contact so you might not be getting the 1st hand price.... I am also waiting for the chance to get his
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Hahaaaa... ok, ok.. share when you do. Thanks! smile.gif
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post Aug 18 2022, 12:30 PM

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QUOTE(Selene Yeo @ Aug 8 2022, 12:07 AM)
Better get plumbers who know how to install storage water heaters to do it for u. At the inlet, u will need to connect it to the pressure relief valve too (water source piping > pressure relief valve > isolation barrier > storage water heater's inlet).

Yes it looks like the one in your picture, but better purchase from the storage water heater's brand distributor so that u get more assurance that it is a confirm fit.
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Hey Selene, taking a look at my water heater outlets, the cold outlets seem to have a plastic/rubber barriers already, so I don't need to install them there right? Just the ones with the copper tubing?

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post Aug 18 2022, 03:16 PM

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QUOTE(maxguy @ Aug 18 2022, 12:52 PM)
Thanks! Yup, I've seen those. But shop people says apparently the old model is prone to leaking.

This is the new model:
https://shopee.com.my/Joven-Isolation-Barri...3c-24c5996ca5f9

Still don't know why they cost so much for a plastic item. dry.gif
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post Aug 26 2022, 04:13 PM

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QUOTE(Selene Yeo @ Aug 25 2022, 01:56 AM)
Suruhanjaya Tenaga recommends Isolation Barriers to be installed at both inlet and outlet. It is always better to be safe than sorry.
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Ok, thanks! thumbsup.gif

 

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