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TSezekieldavidchong
post Jun 30 2022, 11:33 AM, updated 4y ago

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So i think some of you heard the news that Celcom and Digi had mearge
So what your opinion about it?
Once merge it will be less competion and less choice for users also

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post Jun 30 2022, 11:39 AM

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QUOTE(ezekieldavidchong @ Jun 30 2022, 11:33 AM)
So i think some of you heard the news that Celcom and Digi had mearge
So what your opinion about it?
Once merge it will be less competion and less choice for users also
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5G era soon.
You can choose
(1) Digi-Celcom
(2) Maxis
(3) U Mobile
(4) TM Unifi Mobile
(5) YTL Communications
etc.

They are almost equal under DNB.

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post Jun 30 2022, 11:43 AM

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QUOTE(ClarenceT @ Jun 30 2022, 11:39 AM)
5G era soon.
You can choose
(1) Digi-Celcom
(2) Maxis
(3) U Mobile
(4) TM Unifi Mobile
(5) YTL Communications
etc.

They are almost equal under DNB.
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all under DNB
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post Jun 30 2022, 11:56 AM

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1 telco 5G problem, all telco maybe affected if problem from DNB tongue.gif

hopefully Digi will maintain great price plan brows.gif
after 1-2 years will merged 1 brand only? doh.gif
then will be more port out to hotlink hmm.gif

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TSezekieldavidchong
post Jun 30 2022, 12:15 PM

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QUOTE(JohnnyWKY @ Jun 30 2022, 11:56 AM)
1 telco 5G problem, all telco maybe affected if problem from DNB tongue.gif

hopefully Digi will maintain great price plan  brows.gif
after 1-2 years will merged 1 brand only?  doh.gif
then will be more port out to hotlink  hmm.gif
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well unless is different entity
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post Jun 30 2022, 12:18 PM

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All we need in Malaysia is just 3 to 4 telcos with quality services and pricing, not like having a lot of MNOs/MVNOs with poor service that doesn't really benefit the consumer.
I think, let the merger happen, then if Celcom-Digi cannot perform, eventually their users will switch to all the other providers. It will average out eventually.

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post Jun 30 2022, 12:54 PM

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post Jun 30 2022, 01:47 PM

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the price they have to pay for merger to happen is

1. 70mhz of spectrum have to be given back to mcmc (mcmc will reassign to another new company maybe) including ALL 2600 spectrum they hold (40mhz) (they also rent spectrum from ALTEL and moving forward can only use rented 2600 spectrum)

2. MVNO renting have to be spin off under the subsidiary of the new merged company and subject to stricter regulations (this affects tune talk, XOX, redONE etc but such business will go on)

3. yoodo have to be either spin off into seperate entity, sold off or to be close down


moving forward the case will be similar to UK EE (was merger of T mobile and Orange UK operation) in which new company name will be decided while digi and celcom branding will continue for a while (maybe 2-3 years) before eventually merge of operation


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post Jun 30 2022, 01:52 PM

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QUOTE(MyProLife @ Jun 30 2022, 01:47 PM)
the price they have to pay for merger to happen is

1. 70mhz of spectrum have to be given back to mcmc (mcmc will reassign to another new company maybe) including ALL 2600 spectrum they hold (40mhz) (they also rent spectrum from ALTEL and moving forward can only use rented 2600 spectrum)

2. MVNO renting have to be spin off under the subsidiary of the new merged company and subject to stricter regulations (this affects tune talk, XOX, redONE etc but such business will go on)

3. yoodo have to be either spin off into seperate entity, sold off or to be close down
moving forward the case will be similar to UK EE (was merger of T mobile and Orange UK operation) in which new company name will be decided while digi and celcom branding will continue for a while (maybe 2-3 years) before eventually merge of operation
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2600Mhz is an important freq band, without such band they are hard to provide high speed 4G LTE.....
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QUOTE(mlamlam @ Jun 30 2022, 01:52 PM)
2600Mhz is an important freq band, without such band they are hard to provide high speed 4G LTE.....
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https://soyacincau.com/2022/06/29/mcmc-appr...to-be-divested/

after given back some of spectrum, that how much left

30mhz 900mhz (2G+4G)
70mhz 1800mhz (2G+4G)
50mhz 2100mhz (4G*)

*originally 3G before fully refarm into 4G

will be total of 150mhz they will hold, plus they also rented total 40mhz 2600mhz from ALTEL

this will still be dominant in term of network capabilities
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post Jun 30 2022, 02:54 PM

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When the both Celcom+Digi finally merged, what will be the core network/PLMN they will be using?

I think it should be from Digi (50216) rather than Celcom's (50219) as Digi 's network has the best and widest device support among both telco in terms on VOLTE and VoWiFi.

It will be crazy for the merged company to uses Celcom's core network with minimum device support in terms of VoLTE/VoWiFi, since Celcom is lagging on activating both VoLTE and VoWiFi.

It will be Possible to see 5CA or even 6CA from the merged Celcom/Digi network, this is if they decide to rent from Altel.

15MHz (B8) + 20MHz (B3) +15MHz (B3) + 15MHz (B1) + 10MHz (B1) + 20MHz (B7, Altel spectrum)

The Band 1 part can be changed into 20MHz +5MHz though
Band 3 will become their main capacity band while Band 8 will be the coverage band with faster speeds.
This is if they decide that 2G and 4G will coexist

Theoretically Gigabit 4G speeds will be possible within the merged network, when they uses 256QAM + 4X4 MIMO, much faster with 8X8 MIMO (Celcom is using that on some sites.) It will be lesser though due to the type of device, network coverage, network congestion and the plan speed one are subscribing. Real life speeds should be possible to rival DNB 5G, with speeds of few hundred Mbps (on 4G) on flagship devices and on a full speed data plan.

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post Jun 30 2022, 02:56 PM

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post Jun 30 2022, 03:01 PM

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Will keep my DiGi plan and MNP out from Celcom to others. Definitely no Maxis.
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post Jun 30 2022, 03:05 PM

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QUOTE(lakini80 @ Jun 30 2022, 02:56 PM)
VSS inkambing
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They have to create a new MVNO unit though, redeploy some workers in the new unit
Even that VSS may not be avoided
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QUOTE(shaun_kok @ Jun 30 2022, 03:05 PM)
They have to create a new MVNO unit though, redeploy some workers in the new unit
Even that VSS may not be avoided
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no doubt there will be casualties, is either announce or senyap senyap...
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post Jun 30 2022, 03:11 PM

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theoretically
2G b8 and b3, (*can use DSS tech to dynamic share with 2G as suggested by someone here)

2G: 10mhz (2x5) 900 (b8) + 10mhz (2x5) 1800 (b3) DSS example in [ s ]

4G: 30mhz (2x10 + 2x5) 900 (b8*) (for LTE, max 10mhz width for lowband) + 70mhz (2x20 + 2x15) 1800 (b3*) + 50mhz (40MHZ USEABLE because of additional 10mhz is TDD block (2x20 + 2x5) 2100 (b1)

alongside ALTEL 2x20 2600 b7

total can do up to 6CA and 12 spatial streams (5CA or 10SS without ALTEL) enough for LTE GIGABIT(lol)

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post Jun 30 2022, 03:22 PM

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QUOTE(MyProLife @ Jun 30 2022, 03:11 PM)
theoretically

2G: 10mhz (2x5) 900 (b8) + 10mhz (2x5) 1800 (b3)

4G: 20mhz (2x10) 900 (b8) + 60mhz (3x20) 1800 (b3) + 50mhz (2x20 + 2x5)

alongside ALTEL 2x20 2600 b7

total can do up to 5CA and 11 MIMO streams enough for LTE GIGABIT(lol)
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2G and 4G can coexist within the spectrum, there is technology for that.
I have seen Digi using all the available spectrum for 4G 4CA mode.

Or they can just use 900MHz for 2G coverage, with 1800MHz used for high traffic areas. 2G usage is declining, serving as a fallback network for voice calls to devices without VoLTE/usage for phones that support only 2G, and there is no need to allocate too much spectrum for that.

The most important is still VoLTE/VoWiFi though, which I speculate they will be using Digi's Core network with best of coverage from both networks.
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I believe so, Digi will dynamically assign spectrum to 2G from 4G if needed
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post Jun 30 2022, 04:19 PM

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QUOTE(MyProLife @ Jun 30 2022, 01:47 PM)
the price they have to pay for merger to happen is

1. 70mhz of spectrum have to be given back to mcmc (mcmc will reassign to another new company maybe) including ALL 2600 spectrum they hold (40mhz) (they also rent spectrum from ALTEL and moving forward can only use rented 2600 spectrum)

2. MVNO renting have to be spin off under the subsidiary of the new merged company and subject to stricter regulations (this affects tune talk, XOX, redONE etc but such business will go on)

3. yoodo have to be either spin off into seperate entity, sold off or to be close down
moving forward the case will be similar to UK EE (was merger of T mobile and Orange UK operation) in which new company name will be decided while digi and celcom branding will continue for a while (maybe 2-3 years) before eventually merge of operation
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Isn't it Altel a MVNO?
2.If MVNO spin off then which MNO they will join?

This post has been edited by ezekieldavidchong: Jun 30 2022, 04:38 PM

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