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ajaibman
post Jul 9 2023, 01:45 PM

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The rest of so-called "Mforce" dealerships only do regular oil changes.. for more serious troubleshooting need to bring to Mforce shop either in Jawi or Segambut if in Klang valley.

Even spoke with head of mechanic in Segambut service center, they said its 99 models + already, and they lost track on what new coming.. so buy China bike brought in by Mforce you need to prepare for DIY.
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post Jul 9 2023, 03:24 PM

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QUOTE(ajaibman @ Jul 9 2023, 01:45 PM)
The rest of so-called "Mforce" dealerships only do regular oil changes.. for more serious troubleshooting need to bring to Mforce shop either in Jawi or Segambut if in Klang valley.

Even spoke with head of mechanic in Segambut service center, they said its 99 models + already, and they lost track on what new coming.. so buy China bike brought in by Mforce you need to prepare for DIY.
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Yeah that's the thing about M Force bikes. Certainly have to DIY. While that in itself is not a deal breaker, as bikes are easy to work on, but parts definitely have to be sourced yourself, and more serious electronic gremlins will still need to be sorted out with M Force.

How on earth they can keep that many models stocked with parts is a certain impossibility. Proton has 3 Chinese models and they have problems already.

Like I said, the bikes itself is mighty temping with the price points they are coming in at, and you can see massive improvements every time a new model is launched.QJ/CF Moto is certainly on the right track. Won't take them long to catch up and they are certainly not shy to blanket every segment with bikes. Good for consumers.
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post Jul 9 2023, 07:15 PM

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yeah true I do think QJ Motor and CFMoto are getting better in terms of their quality and builds
American reviewers also have start praising CFMoto

the only issue here is in this country they are being handled by Mforce sweat.gif
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post Jul 11 2023, 12:34 PM

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QUOTE(ajaibman @ Jul 9 2023, 02:45 PM)
The rest of so-called "Mforce" dealerships only do regular oil changes.. for more serious troubleshooting need to bring to Mforce shop either in Jawi or Segambut if in Klang valley.

Even spoke with head of mechanic in Segambut service center, they said its 99 models + already, and they lost track on what new coming.. so buy China bike brought in by Mforce you need to prepare for DIY.
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Apparenly, GS Cycle now has the OBD tool to deal with error codes and sensor-related issues.

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post Jul 11 2023, 06:36 PM

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Mforce the winner again..!! biggrin.gif

MBP moto.. to launch at kL bike show..

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post Jul 12 2023, 11:01 AM

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QUOTE(basilisk @ Jul 11 2023, 07:36 PM)
Mforce the winner again..!! biggrin.gif

MBP moto.. to launch at kL bike show..

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What have they won? The most bike launching in Malaysia? shakehead.gif
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post Jul 12 2023, 11:42 AM

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QUOTE(basilisk @ Jul 11 2023, 06:36 PM)
Mforce the winner again..!! biggrin.gif

MBP moto.. to launch at kL bike show..

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what does Mforce Won again ?? confused.gif confused.gif
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post Jul 12 2023, 02:02 PM

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win liao cos keep pushing china bikes...
the term " no market " " baik beli " doesnt apply ! LoL
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post Aug 22 2023, 03:49 PM

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lai geng baik beli..!

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upgraded version, price in CN

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post Aug 22 2023, 05:27 PM

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QUOTE(basilisk @ Aug 22 2023, 03:49 PM)
lai geng baik beli..!

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upgraded version, price in CN

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Wonder how much cheaper it will be than the CBR650R and how different is the price from the ZX25R
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post Aug 27 2023, 09:56 PM

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Hi, is anyone owner of QJmoto SRV250 here ? if yes how the handle feeling for it, is it ok or worth the price ?
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post Aug 28 2023, 08:35 AM

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QUOTE(lowpro @ Aug 22 2023, 05:27 PM)
Wonder how much cheaper it will be than the CBR650R and how different is the price from the ZX25R
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QJ SRK600RC RM39,888
ZX35R RM33,900
CBR650R RM45,499
SV650 RM37,989
Ninja 650 RM35,200

Data
QJ 80hp @ 11,000rpm, 51Nm @ 10,500rpm
Modenas 51hp @ 15,500rpm, 22.9Nm @ 14,500rpm
Honda 93.8hp @ 12,000rpm, 64Nm @ 8,500rpm
Suzuki 73hp @ 8,500rpm, 64Nm @ 6,800rpm
Modenas 650 67hp @ 8,000rpm, 64Nm @ 6,700rpm

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post Jan 23 2024, 06:37 PM

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It's a pity the SRK 600 RC is so heavy...wonder if anyone here has bought one or even test ridden one yet...
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QUOTE(lowpro @ Jan 23 2024, 06:37 PM)
It's a pity the SRK 600 RC is so heavy...wonder if anyone here has bought one or even test ridden one yet...
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Just by the specs alone, 51NM is quite weak...and you need to spin the engine up to 10k to get it. And given the dry weight of 229kg, it's damn bloody heavy. Not sure if MForce messed up and quoted wet weight as dry weight. If dry is 229, wet weight with 90% fuel will be 245kg. That's heavier than the new 1300GS.

Even the CBR650R is not well know for big midrange torque typical of medium displacement 4cyc ..but still has 64nm.

This is why middle weight bikes are going with twins. The 3k more expensive but much lighter 800NK (by 40kg) has 30nm more torque way lower in the RPM range. Don't need an expert to tell you which is the better buy.
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post Jan 23 2024, 09:38 PM

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Actually, the 4 cylinders platform on the SRK600 is a proven platform that has been on sale for quite some time, it's known to be one of the most reliable machines by QJMotor, the only disadvantage being very heavy.

800NK is really just a replica of the KTM 790... when KTM isn't even known for reliability, you can kinda expect what are you getting yourself into when a Chinese maker copied their motor, although CFMOTO should be the leading Chinese manufacturer now.
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QUOTE(JustForFun @ Jan 23 2024, 09:38 PM)
Actually, the 4 cylinders platform on the SRK600 is a proven platform that has been on sale for quite some time, it's known to be one of the most reliable machines by QJMotor, the only disadvantage being very heavy.

800NK is really just a replica of the KTM 790... when KTM isn't even known for reliability, you can kinda expect what are you getting yourself into when a Chinese maker copied their motor, although CFMOTO should be the leading Chinese manufacturer now.
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true its based on the tnt600, but still after 2 decades still no weight improvement? sweat.gif
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post Jan 24 2024, 01:53 AM

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QUOTE(jaycee1 @ Jan 23 2024, 07:08 PM)
Just by the specs alone, 51NM is quite weak...and you need to spin the engine up to 10k to get it. And given the dry weight of 229kg, it's damn bloody heavy. Not sure if MForce messed up and quoted wet weight as dry weight. If dry is 229, wet weight with 90% fuel will be 245kg. That's heavier than the new 1300GS.

Even the CBR650R is not well know for big midrange torque typical of medium displacement 4cyc ..but still has 64nm.

This is why middle weight bikes are going with twins. The 3k more expensive but much lighter 800NK (by 40kg) has 30nm more torque way lower in the RPM range.  Don't need an expert to tell you which is the better buy.
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on this video https://youtu.be/nOymgyRSx0Q?si=mD4fumulPdEchl1Q they had a weighting test for the srk600rr. with fuel filled to the brim, it weights at 233kg.
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post Jan 24 2024, 08:42 AM

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QUOTE(david22022022 @ Jan 24 2024, 01:53 AM)
on this video https://youtu.be/nOymgyRSx0Q?si=mD4fumulPdEchl1Q they had a weighting test for the srk600rr. with fuel filled to the brim, it weights at 233kg.
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That's really heavy! I think if we're in the market for a full fairing bike, the new Daytona 660 (this is surely coming but you might need to pay for the branding) or the upcoming GSX 8R (not sure in Malaysia though) might be better options.
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post Jan 24 2024, 08:46 AM

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QUOTE(jaycee1 @ Jan 23 2024, 07:08 PM)
Just by the specs alone, 51NM is quite weak...and you need to spin the engine up to 10k to get it. And given the dry weight of 229kg, it's damn bloody heavy. Not sure if MForce messed up and quoted wet weight as dry weight. If dry is 229, wet weight with 90% fuel will be 245kg. That's heavier than the new 1300GS.

Even the CBR650R is not well know for big midrange torque typical of medium displacement 4cyc ..but still has 64nm.

This is why middle weight bikes are going with twins. The 3k more expensive but much lighter 800NK (by 40kg) has 30nm more torque way lower in the RPM range.  Don't need an expert to tell you which is the better buy.
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Yup, maybe the next generation of this bike will be lighter. They are gonna have domestic competition soon in the form of the CFMoto 4 cyl 500cc and the 3 cyl 675cc bikes and they really need to up their game if they don't want to lose out. On top of that, there are many other full fairing 650-660 bikes out there for a share for the pie as well.
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post Jan 24 2024, 09:58 AM

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looking at torque numbers in the Nm unit, for example 51Nm, it tells me this engine is more like a ~500cc mill

then, look at the peak torque rpm, will give an idea if it's commuter friendly or not

then, the hp, and peak rpm to see how wide the powerband is, do i need to drop gear everytime, or just pulas and go

Data - rpm at 6th gear at 110kph
QJ 80hp @ 11,000rpm, 51Nm @ 10,500rpm - ???
Modenas 51hp @ 15,500rpm, 22.9Nm @ 14,500rpm - 10300 rpm (~77% torque on standby)
Honda 93.8hp @ 12,000rpm, 64Nm @ 8,500rpm - 5300 rpm (~88% torque on standby)
Suzuki 73hp @ 8,500rpm, 64Nm @ 6,800rpm - 5100 rpm (~87% torque on standby)
Modenas 650 67hp @ 8,000rpm, 64Nm @ 6,700rpm - 5150 rpm (~86% torque on standby)

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