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Mai189
post Mar 29 2024, 12:42 AM

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QUOTE(azriel @ Mar 28 2024, 07:41 PM)
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This is an "indonesian" contract. And is yet to be executed or "goes into force" or "effective contract." The key factor being iif suitable loans csn be authorised and obtained.

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The parties will define the relevant agreements in compliance with the applicable legislation, including that relating to transactions between related parties.

The effectiveness of the contract is subject to the necessary authorizations from the competent authorities. to transactions between related parties
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2024/0...-for-indonesia/

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post Mar 29 2024, 01:31 PM

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QUOTE(Nannostomuss @ Mar 29 2024, 03:25 AM)
This is very classic of Indonesian Military dealing. Fincantieri have yet to start manufacturing since 2021 order and others, probably trying to get loan etc. With the newly elected president of indonesia Prabowo Subianto as military man, the military will likely to be making alot of empty shell deals with foreign contractors and bearing in mind Indonesia is undergoing a grand plan of moving its capital to borneo.
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The Italians really want to dispose off the 2 PPAs large patrol vessels and build proper frigates and 10000 ton destroyer types.

So Fincantieri could be ones really pushing for it as no one else want these ships.

Meanwhile, the Indonesians really want the FREMMs i.e. proper general purpose frigates. They have proposed to their finance ministry to postpone the acquisition of loans for other military items like AEW & C aircrafts, etc. The Indonesians signed a similar contract for FREMMS many years ago with much fanfare and it either died or got suspended because they could find the money to pay for it.

Then there is the issue of money - there isnt money and the Indonesians need to get loans. Indonesians like to talk about permission for loans approved and they wave it at potential vendors. But getting approvals to get loans and getting loans are totally different issues. It is not that easy to get billions of dollars in loans and esp. if you keep asking for loans -that is a red flag. Some countries like the US dont buy this proposition e.g. the F15IDs. The Rafale purchase was only possible because the French Govt gave a loan to Indonesia.

At some point in time, I do believe that the Indonesians through a combination of luck, loans and assistance from foreign governments will finally own about 2 Merah Putih, 2 FREMMs and 2 PPA frigates/patrol vessels.

I have previously shared on the issue of billions of dollars of loans and how payments with interests will gimp the Indonesian defence budget for years.

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post Mar 30 2024, 07:47 AM

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AUKUS nuclear submarines will deploy from Sg in future as do RANs P8s based in Sg - together with RSNs 4 + 1 (unconfirmed as yet by RSN) Type 218Sg class and 2 Archer class submarines, and future RSNs P8s (Sg has already signed a maintanence and support agreement with Boeing).

Australian P8 operating from Singapore:

https://www.australiandefence.com.au/defenc...-from-singapore

USN P8 operating from Singapore:

https://news.usni.org/2015/12/08/u-s-to-dep...ft-to-singapore

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post Sep 2 2024, 01:01 PM

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https://x.com/Fz06572957/status/18300511967...MJnSlY8nDw&s=19

Correct. Both Sg and Germany governments confirm that Germany transferred around 206 tanks to Sg.

It is in the UN Arms transfer database.



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post Sep 2 2024, 02:26 PM

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Amap ADS on Sgs Leo 2sg tanks:


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post Sep 2 2024, 03:58 PM

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https://x.com/navalnewscom/status/182981257...bmcUT3-brg&s=19

Good point of reference for RSN's JMMS LHA/LHD incoming ships. The Cavour is a LHA.

If you know what i mean....pls see the ship below and see sources:

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RSS Invincible arrives in Singapore.

https://gbp.com.sg/stories/singapore-navy-w...rss-invincible/

There are now 2 Invincible clsss, 2 Archer class and 2 Challenger class submarines in Sg. 6 in total.

There are 2 more Invincible clsss submarines already launched in Germany awaiting the journey back to Sg.

Peak Sg submarine strength currently: 8 submarines.

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post Sep 3 2024, 09:18 AM

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QUOTE(Mai189 @ Sep 2 2024, 09:16 PM)
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RSS Invincible arrives in Singapore.

https://gbp.com.sg/stories/singapore-navy-w...rss-invincible/

There are now 2 Invincible clsss, 2 Archer class and 2 Challenger class submarines in Sg. 6 in total.

There are 2 more Invincible clsss submarines already launched in Germany awaiting the journey back to Sg.

Peak Sg submarine strength currently: 8 submarines.
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RSNs Invincible class is using the latest MTU 12V4000U83 engine and when paired with AIP gives superb power, range, recharge rate and under water endurance

This is one of the reasons why RSN has not invested in lithium ion battery sets yet. The other reason is safety and maturity - the better Sg waits this out and observe than risk a lithium electric battery fire accident esp. one that happens underwater.

https://www.defenceconnect.com.au/naval/131...ling-at-pacific

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QUOTE(Mai189 @ Sep 2 2024, 01:01 PM)
https://x.com/Fz06572957/status/18300511967...MJnSlY8nDw&s=19

Correct. Both Sg and Germany governments confirm that Germany transferred around 206 tanks to Sg.

It is in the UN Arms transfer database.
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To note that Sg and Germany are practically allies now:

https://www.businesstimes.com.sg/singapore/...gic-partnership

A matter of time before the Panther MBTs are used by Sg.

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post Sep 3 2024, 09:30 AM

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QUOTE(takbodoh722 @ Sep 3 2024, 08:59 AM)
India air force Mig-29 crash.
https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/air-f...2509-2024-09-02

Good move to retire those Bolehland ones?
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The parts were obsolete and costly then.

I have the impression RMAF never wanted them bar the old man

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post Sep 3 2024, 09:38 AM

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Keep seeing bombardier 6500 (i think) flying ard for tests - seems to come from Sg Paya Lebar airbase.


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Possibly to replace (yes Sg has stated they will be replaced) the Fokker 50 anti-ship/anti-sub MPA:

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It seems that Singapores Littoral Mission Vessels (lmv) have a full time anti submarine role now.

The lmvs are reconfigurable warships and can play various roles such as anti mine, maritime security, anti surface, etc.

RSN can mix or match the role or roles e.g. anti surface and anti submarine to match the mission.

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How the LMVs tackle submarines could be via a combination of ship borne sonars and torpedoes and USVs carrying sonar and torpedoes or even UUVs.

For e.g.: https://euro-sd.com/2019/12/articles/15650/...apore-navy-rsn/

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QUOTE(Mai189 @ Sep 2 2024, 09:16 PM)
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RSS Invincible arrives in Singapore.

https://gbp.com.sg/stories/singapore-navy-w...rss-invincible/

There are now 2 Invincible clsss, 2 Archer class and 2 Challenger class submarines in Sg. 6 in total.

There are 2 more Invincible clsss submarines already launched in Germany awaiting the journey back to Sg.

Peak Sg submarine strength currently: 8 submarines.
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RSNs Invincible class is using the latest MTU 12V4000U83 engine and when paired with AIP gives superb power, range, recharge rate and under water endurance

This is one of the reasons why RSN has not invested in lithium ion battery sets yet. The other reason is safety and maturity - the better Sg waits this out and observe than risk a lithium electric battery fire accident esp. one that happens underwater.

https://www.defenceconnect.com.au/naval/131...ling-at-pacific




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Possible deployment of Tomahawk land attack cruise missiles from Type 218Sg submarines and RSN frigates and destroyers/heavy frigates.

Note: Sgs locally constructed anti ship/land attack Blue Spear cruise missiles with range of 200km to 400km (depending on flight profile) are/will be carried by RSN warships and submarines.

https://defencesecurityasia.com/en/type-218...k-to-singapore/

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Flak guns are back?
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Recently SG's RSN inducted a large Roll-On/Roll-Off sealift vessel for transport/training purposes named MV Mentor in SG navy paint. The ship is about >23,000 tons and nearly 200 metres long.

This ship is ex Royal Navy Point Class sealift ship MV Beachy Head.

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It is meant for transfer of equipment and training.

The interesting part is training and it may indicate advance planning for 1 to 2 multi role sea-lift/LPD/transport ship to supplement the 2 to 3 JMMS LHA/LHD ships SG has already announced she is building in terms of sea-lift and transport. Why I say this is because RSN has opted to lease the ship for now (obviously cheaper but it may mean RSN may want to build its own ships in future after the JMMS vessels are built).

Secondly, the training part could also refer to RSN getting used to ships of this size. The JMMS is expected to be >20000 tons to 3>0000+ tons in tonnage and 200+ metres long each.

Source: RSN

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Possible RSN JMMS LHD/LHA baseline design - the Italian Trieste class:

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Sg MRCV^ (probably most detailed look thus far) Source: RSN

NavalNews has an excellent scoop on SG RSN's incoming Multi Role Combat Vessel (MRCV) heavy frigate/destroyer. RSN is building a squadron of 6 of such ships.

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DSTA Reveals Origins of Singapore’s MRCV

At the Warships 2024 conference held in June in Adelaide, Singapore's DSTA (* Singapore's Defence Science and Technology Agency) officials shared some new details on the Republic of Singapore Navy's future Multi Role Combat Vessels (MRCV).

The Republic of Singapore Navy’s future MRCV, which is set to become the first surface combatant ship designed as a drone mothership, is based on a fusion of designs from Sweden and Denmark.

Designs from Saab Kockums and Denmark’s Odense Maritime Technology (OMT) were initially two separate entrants into the MRCV program.

However, as the process developed, the two companies decided to merge their respective proposals according to officials from Singapore’s Defence Science and Technology Agency (DSTA) speaking at the Royal Institute of Naval Architects (RINA) Warships 2024 conference in Adelaide, South Australia.

The final design, which incorporates elements from both companies’ reference designs, was eventually successful in fulfilling the MRCV requirement – beating out offerings from an unknown number of other companies.

OMT’s initial design was based on an enlarged version of the Royal Danish Navy’s Absalon-class and Iver Huitfeldt-class frigates, modified to meet Singaporean payload requirements and to allow for future payload growth. Saab Kockums, meanwhile, proposed a smaller, corvette-sized, vessel building on the heritage of the Royal Swedish Navy’s Visby-class.

When the designs were merged, design elements, systems and approaches from both reference designs were incorporated into the new design. The companies also agreed to cooperate as if both were equal, despite OMT being formally only a subcontractor to Saab Kockums.

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On the OMT side, the MRCV design incorporates the enlarged Absalon/Iver Huitfeldt’s hull lines and structural steel design, as well as its proposed payload management system. Where it differs is on the combat system and propulsion side, where the design takes heavily from the Saab concept, most notably in its use of carbon fibre-reinforced plastic in the superstructure and masts as well as its approach to integrating weapons and sensors.

During the 2023 edition of IMDEX Asia, Naval News learned that the MRCV would have a displacement of around 8,000 tons and a crew complement of about 80 sailors, indicating a high level of automation in the platform. The following sensors and weapons are set to be fitted on the ships:

Leonardo’s 76mm naval gun in the STRALES variant;
MBDA’s VL MICA NG and Aster B1 NT air defence missiles;
ST Engineering / IAI Blue Spear anti-ship missiles;
Thales’ SeaFire multifunction radar
Safran’s PASEO XLR EO/IR system;
Safran’s NGDS decoy launching system.


The MRCV’s organic weapons and sensors, however, won’t be its primary weapons as it is intended as a mothership for autonomous and uncrewed systems. This focus on the platform’s embarked systems is reflected in the design choices made around the MRCV’s power and propulsion systems.

To enable flexibility and growth, the DSTA decided to mandate an Integrated Full Electric Propulsion (IFEP) for the MRCV. IFEP is an arrangement where diesel engines and or gas turbines generate electricity which can be used for both ship services – such as the combat system – and propulsion via electric motors.

The key advantage of this arrangement according to the DSTA is that it is flexible as electricity can be directly moved from propulsion to powering combat systems, or vice versa, as needed. Typically, in other warship designs that incorporate IFEP power arrangements, the electrical system is powered by both gas turbines and diesel engines with the turbines only turning on when power demand spikes.

However, for the Republic of Singapore Navy, this wasn’t an option as it would require them to set up a whole other maintenance, sustainment and training pipeline to support marine gas turbines given that no other Republic of Singapore Navy vessel uses gas turbine engines.

Instead, the DSTA opted for a fully-diesel powered IFEP arrangement which limits the ship’s ability to generate massive amounts of power to enable high-speed operations or faster acceleration. This, the DSTA judged, was acceptable for the MRCV because of its role as an uncrewed and autonomous systems mothership. This means that it isn’t required to be small and light with a high power-to-weight ratio, as missions that would require those capabilities can be performed by its embarked systems.

https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2024/0...cv/#prettyPhoto

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Meanwhile, RSN's ongoing mid-life upgrade of the Formidable class frigate (sometimes referred to as a pocket destroyer because the class is armed to the teeth) is proceeding smoothly.

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Dr Ng Eng Hen, Singapore's defence minister

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The mid-life upgrade will be more than an "addition and alteration", said Defence Minister Ng Eng Hen in Parliament on Wednesday (March 2), during the debate on his ministry's budget.

"After the upgrade, the frigates' combat capabilities will increase and be equipped with better combat management and communications systems, upgraded weapon systems, along with improved maintenance processes."
https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/poli...r-combat-system


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Naval Group to Support Singapore’s Formidable-class Frigates Upgrade Program

On December 14 2023, ST Engineering announced that its subsidiary ST Engineering Marine Ltd has secured a contract with the Singapore Ministry of Defence for the mid-life upgrade of the Formidable-class frigates for the Republic of Singapore Navy. Naval Group, as ST Engineering sub-contractor, will be continuing the partnership the two companies have started in 2000 with the Formidable-class frigates construction programme


Naval Group press release

Through this contract signed with ST Engineering Marine Ltd, Naval Group is proud to continue its cooperation with our partner, to serve the Singapore Navy.

Naval Group has a deep understanding of the Formidable frigates, as the Group has built the first vessel in the Formidable-class series on the Lorient shipyard in France. The other five were built locally by the ST Engineering shipyard, in accordance with the major transfer of technology agreement, a testimony of the strong partnership between the two companies. To achieve this project, Naval Group will work closely with Naval Group Far East, its subsidiary in Singapore who is already supporting the Singaporean Navy and ST Engineering in project management, maintenance and supply chain.

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Naval News comments:

ST Engineering announced on 14 December 2023 that its subsidiary ST Engineering Marine Ltd. has secured a contract with the Ministry of Defence (MINDEF) for the mid-life upgrade of its Formidable-class Frigates for the Republic of Singapore Navy (RSN).

ST Engineering will undertake the design and engineering of the Frigate’s marine and electrical systems’ upgrades, including the Ship Management System and Power Generation System. The Frigates will be upgraded progressively, with the first Frigate expected to complete its upgrades from 2028.

Details about the scope of the modernization are confidential. However, Naval News understands that once upgraded, the Formidable-class frigates could see some level of commonality with the future MRCV in terms of sensor and weapon systems, such as the Blue Spear anti-ship missiles.

Talking to Naval News during a tour aboard a French LaFayette (FLF) frigate being upgraded (as part of an MLU program) by Naval News, a company representative said: “it may be interesting to note some links between this [Formidable class] MLU program and the FLF modernization program: a meeting and visit to the FLF supervised by its Commander accompanied by his senior officers and the Defense Mission in Singapore (Armament Attaché ) was the occasion for an exchange between Singaporean stakeholders regarding the FLF modernization program in Toulon in March 2023”.

https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2024/0...pgrade-program/





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