Sep 12 2022, 02:40 PM
QUOTE(marfccy @ Sep 6 2022, 07:33 PM)
like i mention, i disagree. even with a small warhead the impact is still significant to introduce stress to the tank. especially the sensors and optics which arent as robust as the armor. they are built to take hits like what Mai189 said but they are still damaged in the process
think of it like in rock climbing equipment, there is a reason carabiners are changed often as during climbs you introduce microfractures and stress to the equipment. would you have more confidence using a brand new carabiner or one thats been through 20 climbs?
Sure. You disagree. I said previously that tanks are in fact (to the contrary robust) i.e. built to take hits and dish it out esp. Western tanks. You keep bringing up non relevant items as a means of comparison.think of it like in rock climbing equipment, there is a reason carabiners are changed often as during climbs you introduce microfractures and stress to the equipment. would you have more confidence using a brand new carabiner or one thats been through 20 climbs?
The proof of the pudding is the increasing number of countries that are increasing their tanks stockpiles right now.
Here is an interesting observation about Russian tank losses in Ukraine:
https://warontherocks.com/2022/09/the-tank-...ture-of-combat/
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Despite their effectiveness, modern anti-tank guided missiles were not the primary killers of Russian tanks. According to an adviser to Ukraine’s most senior military officer: “[A]nti-tank missiles slowed the Russians down [during the advance towards Kyiv], but what killed them was our artillery. That was what broke their units.” Indeed, countless videos posted by the Ukrainian military have confirmed this, including those showing the ill-fated offensive by Russia’s 6th Tank Regiment in Brovary in mid-March. In addition to artillery, many Russian tanks were destroyed or disabled by Soviet-era systems, such as TM-62 anti-tank mines. Javelins, next generation light anti-tank weapons, and Ukrainian-made Stugna-P anti-tank systems have been effective, but they are just one component of Ukraine’s anti-tank efforts. Indeed, they likely destroyed a relatively smaller share of Russia’s tanks during its offensive in the Donbas, where Russia conducted a more coherent combined-arms operation. It is also important to note that public sources may not provide a representative view of how Russian tanks were damaged. Russian tanks struck by Stugna-P or Javelins are much more likely to be filmed and uploaded to social media than tanks damaged by mines, which may not be recorded as frequently. Of course, artillery battalions are not cheap, so the available evidence regarding tank losses in Ukraine does not particularly support the argument that we are seeing a “swing in favor of smaller and cheaper defensive weapons.” Ukraine has also suffered heavy tank losses, losing 244 tanks as documented by Oryx, of which 128 were destroyed. It does not appear most of these losses were from anti-tank guided missiles either.
This post has been edited by Mai189: Sep 12 2022, 02:40 PM
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how about actually taking into account tank operators POV for once? tank operators knows they arent invincible behind tanks, thats why the tactics matters to them alot during engagements than pure out "better armor"
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