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Mai189
post Oct 10 2022, 12:42 PM

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The MALE Anka was bought because Malaysia really needs an intelligence, surveillance and recon platform right now.

A lot of brouhaha over getting Bayraktar TB2 but pls note that these drones are very vulnerable to a state actor with good air defence and air force. Slow moving drones can only operate in a permissible environment. Otherwise, they will get shot down.

https://www.businessinsider.com/drones-russ...-warfare-2022-7

https://www.aerotime.aero/articles/32279-us...down-iran-drone

Even the Anka will struggle against a modern Shorad such as CAMM in a hot war which has 10K altitude ceiling compared to the Anka's 9k+ altitude ceiling.

The basic building block of a competent air force with good combat jets must be resolved first.

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post Oct 10 2022, 01:05 PM

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QUOTE(rafale_05 @ Oct 10 2022, 12:59 PM)
it's not direct via leonardo malaysia?
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I guess we will have to wait and see on the mission equipment/s - hope not basic and FFBNW for some areas. The LOA also has not gone out yet.
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post Oct 10 2022, 05:58 PM

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Next generation Abrams tank prototype i.e. Abrams X

https://www.autoevolution.com/news/abrams-x...ing-200764.html

Of course the Germans have the Panther KF51 next gen tank which was introduced recently too:



Presumably, the Abrams X may replace the current Abrams and Panther replaces the Leopard 2 tanks later this century.





Mai189
post Oct 15 2022, 09:42 PM

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Recently, the 6th generation of Spike NLOS missile was revealed to the world with revolutionary capabilties:



https://www.thedefensepost.com/2022/06/15/i...-spike-missile/

It can be used from land (32km) or sea (32km) or air (50km) e.g. from UAVs/UCAVs or USVs.

E.g. of USV i.e. Singapore's navy 17m stealth USV:

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Spike can be regarded as one of the most successful multipurpose anti-tank/anti-bunker/anti-personnel missile ever and in used by countries such as India, Germany, Poland, UK, etc.

Spike missiles are manufactured by Israel's Rafael and Singapore' Smart Systems Pte Ltd (joint venture between Israel's Rafael and Singapore Technologies)

In 2012, Smart was spotted selling Spike at a defence fair:

http://www.miltechmag.com/2012/03/smart-sy...mrlr-multi.html

https://www.armscom.net/company/smart_systems_pte_ltd

Older article:

https://www.flightglobal.com/rafael-to-help...e/28110.article

How do you think Sg seemingly can have thousands of Spikes of various types ? wink.gif Thailands Spike missiles are built in Singapore.

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post Oct 16 2022, 11:12 AM

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Ukraine has just bought another 2900 Matador "atgm" missiles in addition to an earlier batch of 5900 missiles. The Singaporean-German-Israeli shoulder fired missile is doing very well.

https://ubn.news/ukraine-has-bought-2900-an...s-from-germany/

https://newswav.com/A2203_LYmIep

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Singapore is believed to have produced tens of thousands of matadors or perhaps more to equip her armies when fully mobilized.

More importantly, Singapore can produce these missiles in Singapore to replenish the ones used in war time.

SAFs policy is simple. If the button is pushed, SAF will not give you a bloody nose, SAF will take a truck and run you over.

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post Oct 16 2022, 11:02 PM

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QUOTE(KLthinker91 @ Oct 16 2022, 05:45 PM)
Really?
From where do they mine the raw materials?

Any army will have the same policy. However the proof of the pudding is in the eating.
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From Valinor like most other weapons on earth. Duh.
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post Oct 16 2022, 11:08 PM

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QUOTE(darth5zaft @ Oct 16 2022, 05:37 PM)
Except for the facts the parts needed for the final assembly in Singapore comes by air & sea that can be blockages by the enemy.

Off course assembling missiles is the least of SG worries if the air & sea is blockage since SG energy & foods also comes from the sea.
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This is a given. Most weapons and many commercial goods have parts originating from other parts of the world.

It may not be a case that they are assembling the missiles; likely producing some parts e.g. munition warhead for which they have an established competence or rocket motor as in the case of Blue Spear. There is also bound to be some form of tech sharing. This is an arrangement that started in the late 1990s.

Easier said than done to initiate a blockade from air and sea as not many countries have the resources and endurance to do so esp. for a key global commercial node.

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post Oct 16 2022, 11:30 PM

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QUOTE(darth5zaft @ Oct 16 2022, 05:49 PM)
Except for the simple fact it can't detect submarine at all.

Sure you could integrated the ASW suite in it, but get ready to pay an arm & a leg to do so. Even then we would be the only one using it which mean we can't take advantage of other military experience, integration, training and so on.

Meanwhile Leonardo has a finished off the shelf products in the form of MPA,ASW helo, ASW suite for MALE off the shelf with preexisting users.

Not to mention Italy is the 3rd wheel in the franco- German duopolies of the EU decision making process. A block which had considerable political,economical, military power, one we have a trade surplus with and one whose relationship is really important to us.
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Does anyone know the effectiveness of using MPAs to detect submarines in the South China Sea?

I ask because the art of submarine detection via such means is no easy task as the propagation of underwater sound is affected by many variables esp. in shallow waters occupied by thousands of ships (being a major sea lane for commerce). It may be easier to just eyeball a submarine in some instances than try to determine one using sonar bouys etc.

I am not sure about MAD and its utility in this region too.
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post Oct 17 2022, 09:32 PM

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Thank you for the sharing up there on MAD and sonar bouys. I am still not so convinced on its viability in South China Sea as things like salinity and the presence of scores of hulls of other ships in a small area may impact the utility of these devices

Ill read up more on it when I have the time.

Sorry if I am a trifle angsty lately guys. My apologies. Going for a lil ops and not too fond of it.
Mai189
post Oct 17 2022, 09:33 PM

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For our Indo friends:


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post Oct 18 2022, 09:25 PM

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QUOTE(azriel @ Oct 18 2022, 06:39 PM)
Is it? Indo has not even allocated funding internally for this i.e. permission to acquire foreign loans and wants the US 2 pay for it. It may be more credible if Indo is Israel.

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post Oct 19 2022, 08:55 PM

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QUOTE(darth5zaft @ Oct 19 2022, 03:10 PM)
ID is not a cohesive entity and different ministries,minister & agency are competing to push forward their own agenda particularly as both Menhen & MOF are vying to occupied the presidential office.

There is fund allocated by the MOF but it only enough to pay for LCA,
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No. It is only for a handful of Rafales I think with the rest all pending foreign loans. Many projects are in limbo as there is no funding. Some are dead like their Elang Hitam. Some may come ffbnw like their delayed iver frigates.

Im sure you understand that they like to enunciate their wishlist to the whole world or sign letters of intents or indicate interest w4 confirming they could buy them let alone integrare equipment from different "planets".

I suspect the bluster is for political mileage. Their modus operandi is now quite well known - to other countries and defence manufacturers.

Btw, do you see any mainstream media even talking about that claimed f15 purchase from Intel Onlines so called "sources" ? Thats the amt of credence given to that claim.

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post Oct 20 2022, 12:51 PM

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QUOTE(darth5zaft @ Oct 19 2022, 10:49 PM)
One thing is the seller countries even want to offer loan. It's another thing whether or not ID MOF even want to approve those loan in the 1st place.
due to the risk involved while not getting much out of it. ID rupiah isn't a very stable currencies and they themselves had been burned with devaluation & inflation so many times before

You see lot of news where the countertrade for all these expensive item usually involves the host country throwing away their old depletated equipment with the purchase rather than the usual counter trade, market enteries etc etc.Then there's Jokowi who made a very public remark on the high level of imported goods in their defence spending.

So whatever comes out of their manhen mouth is basically just that. A bunch of hotair for his own political millage and  not an indication of the country willingness, needs Nor desire to even acquired those equipment.
Of course it's goes a lot further, whatever acquisition nor long term plan like the minimum essential force that ID gov draw up. It just lips service to the global power, neighbors & own citizens. The reality is ID has NO intension to modernising their military, they are very comfortable with their territorial defense formation and they are not going to involve themselves in other people war. It's not in their best interest to do so.

ID citizens like those in India and PRC are overly nationalistic, overly proud  but at the same time lack in confidence in themselves due to domestic circumstances. Economic wise all these 3 countries are mostly lead by domestic consumption for their large population thus overly protectionist economics policies and not apart of any economic, military alliance and thus has a high degree of distrust to outsiders and thus they would just sweap things under the carpet not interested in public discussion on the merit of doing something for fear of losing face with the neighbors. Thus this sorts of politics suits them.

SG,like MY,NZ,aus,JP,SK are export oriented economics thus highly dependent on the US lead global orders. A collapsed of such systems would see each & every one of us starving.
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What are you talking about?

Anyway Western govts do not usually offer loans. FIs do and thats also not easy to get esp. if there are in the billions. A few like France offer some form of barter trade as a means to compete with the US. The US defence coys almost exclusively do not deal in barter trade.

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post Oct 20 2022, 12:53 PM

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QUOTE(azriel @ Oct 20 2022, 09:41 AM)
Lets wait for the official news. Based from the banner pic the Indonesian F-15EX will be designated as F-15IDN.


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Like the 42 Rafales (apart from the handful) and KFXs? Do not hold your breath.

Boeing doing a sales pitch is one thing. Indo having the means to buy it is another.


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post Oct 23 2022, 09:12 PM

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QUOTE(azriel @ Oct 21 2022, 09:18 AM)
Indonesian Defense Minister Prabowo Subianto during meeting with Boeing officials. Credit to Pentagon Press Sec & Indonesian Embassy Washington.

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The visit ended. So where is the F15 buy or US buying or helping to buy F15s for a financially strapped Indo as mentioned by Intelligence Online. P.S: The magazine depends on sources who often have their own agenda e.g. middle-men or downright wrong.

https://id.usembassy.gov/readout-of-secreta...abowo-subianto/


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Pentagon Press Secretary Air Force Brig. Gen. Pat Ryder provided the following readout:

Secretary of Defense Lloyd J. Austin III met with Indonesian Minister of Defense Prabowo Subianto on October 20 to discuss opportunities for further alignment between the United States and Indonesia as the two countries pursue a shared vision of a free and open Indo-Pacific, as well as issues of global concern.

Secretary Austin expressed appreciation for Indonesia’s leadership role within ASEAN, in the Indo-Pacific, and around the world.  Both leaders emphasized the importance of continued cooperation as regional security dynamics become increasingly complex. To support this aim, Secretary Austin expressed his interest in continuing to assist Indonesia’s military modernization and to strengthen interoperability between the United States and Indonesia.

The two leaders discussed significant advancements in U.S.-Indonesia defense cooperation, including the recent expansion of exercise “Super” Garuda Shield this summer, the largest-ever exercise between the two countries.

Secretary Austin expressed his support for Minister Prabowo’s focus on military professionalization, noting that Indonesia now has cadets in three U.S. service academies. He also emphasized the importance of the shared values between the United States and Indonesia—two of the world’s largest democracies. Both leaders reiterated the importance of maintaining the international rules and norms that preserve a free and open Indo-Pacific.


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post Oct 23 2022, 09:17 PM

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I dont know why Indo tend to jump whenever their officials attend a sales briefing (which happens a lot by the way with armed forces around the world). E.g the US has been trying to sell P8 Poseidons to Sg.

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Sg has not bought them in spite of indicating in Budget 2022 that RSN will replace the Fokker 50 MPAs.
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post Oct 23 2022, 09:34 PM

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Exercise with Singapore wraps up

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A combined maritime task group comprised of Australian and Singaporean warships and troops has completed Exercise Trident.

Three warships and over 1600 people were involved in the exercise, a continued commitment to bilateral joint military exercises under the 2015 Singapore-Australia Comprehensive Partnership.

The exercise came to an end with a formal closing ceremony held at Tiger Hill at Shoalwater Bay, Queensland.

During the exercise, troops from the 3rd Battalion, Royal Australian Regiment, and 3rd Battalion, Singapore Guards, completed land integration training before embarking on Royal Australian Navy landing helicopter dock HMAS Adelaide and Republic of Singapore Navy landing ship tanks RSS Endurance and RSS Persistence.

Trident’s Deputy Director Captain Tim Byles, from the Royal Australian Navy, said the co-led exercise was an opportunity to build on an over 30-year defence partnership between the Australian Defence Force and the Singapore Armed Forces.

“This year we have integrated our staff, tested our operational planning skills and executed the tactical phase of the training, which includes ship to shore operations, and an offensive land manoeuvre as the culminating activity,” Captain Byles said.

This was the eighth iteration of Exercise Trident and the amphibious training component was a first during the bilateral activity.

“We demonstrated the ability to project a ground combat element from the vessels to the beach, with support from rotary wing assets and small boat teams, before the seizure of an inland objective,” Captain Byles said.

Close air support and troop lift was provided by Republic of Singapore Air Force CH-47D helicopters permanently based at Oakey in Queensland.

The troops will continue their training in the area into October, before the Singapore Armed Forces wrap up additional training in Australia later in the year.
https://news.defence.gov.au/capability/exer...singapore-wraps

Great images here: https://images.defence.gov.au/assets/S20223148

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post Oct 23 2022, 09:46 PM

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Something bizzare discovered about the Himars..

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Kudos HIMARS! Russian Military Experts Say US Systems Are Confusing Counter-Battery Ops By Changing Trajectory

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A video released by Ukrainian troops on the frontline is making rounds on social media, showing the American-made HIMARS MLRS in action. In the clip that lasts for about a minute, around eight to nine HIMARS rockets can be seen launched, which follow different trajectories.

A Russian-language media outlet published a report about this video citing unnamed experts, asserting that the video provides insight into the flight path adopted by HIMARS rockets, which interferes with the counter-battery operations of the enemy.

According to these unnamed experts, the HIMARS rockets, after launch, change their flight path almost immediately, which distinguishes this American system from other conventional MLRS in which the projectiles fly along a ballistic trajectory.

It is this feature of the HIMARS rockets which, in high likelihood, prevents the enemy counter-battery radars from determining the exact coordinates of the launchers, thereby making it impossible to deliver accurate retaliatory strikes.

Experts further noted that HIMARS rockets are not always known to change their trajectory. This ability is only used by the Ukrainian forces when the MLRS is located in areas with a threat of retaliatory strikes.

Counter-battery radars detect and track incoming projectiles and, based on their trajectories, calculate their point of origin, so if the rockets can alter their courses in such a way as to confuse the counter-battery radars, then it is indeed possible to prevent precise retaliatory strikes.

However, it is not just the trajectory of rockets but also the sound generated when rockets are launched that the counter-battery systems use to determine the location of enemy launchers.

EurAsian Times asked an expert to see if such a feature is known to exist in MLRS rockets or do the HIMARS rockets have them. Maj Gen Harsha Kakar (Retd), who served in the Regiment of Artillery in the Indian Army, said that it is not possible to comment on it as there is no data to confirm or deny it.

When asked how HIMARS units have survived the retaliatory strikes from Russian forces until now, as not even a single unit has been confirmed destroyed so far, Kakar said, “HIMARS, like other mobile rocket systems, adopts shoot and scoot tactics.

This implies launching its rockets and moving to another location. This is adopted by most weapon systems currently to beat counter bombardment by the enemy.” “It is nothing new. Most weapon systems which fire salvos are so designed,” Kakar added.

“The information about HIMARS – launched missiles that mislead counter artillery radars by maneuvering in flight is indeed impressive,” Konstantinos Grivas told the EurAsian Times, who teaches advanced weapons systems at the Hellenic Army Academy.

Grivas hinted at the possibility that the US might have sent small numbers of under-development PrSM (Precision Strike Missiles) to Ukraine while noting it is rather unlikely.

The most likely possibility, according to Grivas, is that the Ukrainian forces could be using “HIMARS in reconnaissance-strike complexes with the rockets being able to update the targeting data in flight via data link and adjust their trajectory accordingly using lateral thrusters so that they can engage targets in motion or, precisely, to have an erratic course that will confuse counter artillery radars.”

He noted that the Israeli TCS (trajectory correction system), which has been presented about twenty years ago, had similar capabilities and said that “presumably, the US has developed rockets with similar capabilities for HIMARS and MLRS.”


Russia Acknowledge The Effectiveness Of HIMARS

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The HIMARS MLRS provides Ukraine with a rapid precision strike capability at standoff ranges without needing air power, thereby allowing the Ukrainian military to compensate for the small size of its air force.

Therefore, over the past few months, Ukrainian forces have been able to destroy hundreds of Russian positions and ammunition stockpiles far from the frontlines by leveraging the long-range HIMARS rockets.

The effectiveness of HIMARS on the battlefield made the pro-Kremlin figures so nervous that they publicly voiced their concerns.

For example, a former commander of Russian separatist forces in eastern Ukraine, Igor Girkin, said on July 10 on the Telegram messaging app that “the Russian air defense systems, which relatively (very relatively) coped with attacks with the help of “Tochek-U” and “Uraganov” – turned out to be ineffective against massive strikes by Hymers (HIMARS) missiles.”

There has also been some appreciation of the precision of HIMARS rockets from Russian eyewitness accounts, such as Roman Saponkov, a Russian military blogger who is embedded with frontline Russian forces and was present during a HIMARS strike on Chernobaevka, Kherson, on July 9, which made quite an impression on him.

“As it happened yesterday, I watched the HIMARS strike on Chernobaevka, Kherson, almost before our eyes. I have been under fire many times, but I was struck that the package, 5 or 6 missiles, landed almost into a penny. Usually, MLRS fall over large areas and at maximum distance scatter in a fan-like manner,” Saponkov said on July 10 in a Telegram post.

Meanwhile, there have been regular claims from Russia that its forces have destroyed HIMARS units. However, these claims remain unverified as of yet.

When asked about the overall effectiveness of HIMARS on the battlefield, Maj Gen Kakar said that the HIMARS is more suitable against stationary targets rather than mobile targets.

“Destruction of bridges, railway yards, ammunition depots, communication centers, and troops concentrations can change the nature of the conflict. It can stall offensives and delay the movement of reserves. This is what HIMARS has done. Its effectiveness against mobile targets is limited,” Kakar said.


https://eurasiantimes.com/kudos-himars-russ...ing-trajectory/


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post Oct 23 2022, 09:54 PM

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QUOTE(Mai189 @ Oct 23 2022, 09:46 PM)
Something bizzare discovered about the Himars..

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Kudos HIMARS! Russian Military Experts Say US Systems Are Confusing Counter-Battery Ops By Changing Trajectory
Russia Acknowledge The Effectiveness Of HIMARS
https://eurasiantimes.com/kudos-himars-russ...ing-trajectory/
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Fyi, the basic GMRLS guided rockets have a range of >70km.

The basic guided rocket has been successfully tested to range of 92km: https://www.army-technology.com/news/news69339-html/

However, the US army was able to use it and surgically strike targets with precision at around >105km in Afghanistan.

This means that is its actual range is more >100km.

In Ukraine, it has been routinely used to strike targets at more than >100km.



P.S: Russian defence manufacturers tend to overstate capabilities. Western defence manufacturers do the opposite.

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In SEA and Oceania, Himars has been bought by Singapore and recently Australia.

Info from open source is limited. As shared previously, Singapore has bought more than >108 launch pods. This was declassified by Lockheed Martin (until 2016 only). This would mean that Singapore has at least 54 Himars launchers (until 2016). One launcher + one supply vehicle generally (although the US army may use 2 supply vehicles per launcher.).

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Link for above: https://apps.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/1019443.pdf

I dont have numbers post 2016.

I note that newly built GMRLS rockets are largely the ER versions with range in excess of >150km. These were purchased by Australia recently. If Sg bought new GMLRS rockets recently, it is likely these will be the newer ER versions.

Australian Himars:
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/special-re...061331d10fd4799

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