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Mai189
post Oct 24 2022, 06:05 PM

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QUOTE(darth5zaft @ Oct 24 2022, 06:01 PM)
Kek.
TNI annual budget is as much as SAF despite only spending 0.7% of GDP
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What are you talking abt?
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post Oct 25 2022, 02:54 PM

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Recently, a Singapore Himars (ID: 21641MID) was featured in a Lockheed Martin Video on the Precision Strike Missile (PRsM). The PRsM is slated to replace and has the same impact as the 300km MGM-140 Army Tactical Missile System (ATACMS). A single Himars can carry 2 PRsM as compared to one ATACMs. This is a heavy missile comparable to the Russian Iskandar Complex missile. The PRSM has a range in excess of 650km: https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2022/0...rmation-update/



Go here for full screen video: https://www.facebook.com/militaryleak/video...38374563618941/

Still shot:

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The Sg Himars in question:

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It is not known why a Singapore Himars is doing in the video. However, the vehicle ID was apparently redacted/blurred after this was discovered. See same revised video:



Maybe it is a just a typo error. Let us just forget about this ok. Nothing to see here; move along people.

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post Oct 26 2022, 06:11 PM

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QUOTE(darth5zaft @ Oct 26 2022, 04:52 PM)
Personally I have no idea what your beef it with ID.

But they are not cash strapped as you claim.
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Thats what the intelligenceonline article references. /facepalm.

But do they have funding issues on many of the items they want 2 buy - of course.


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Israel Successfully Tests Advanced Anti-ship Missile System
The 'Gabriel 5' missile system will 'help protect Israel's strategic assets,' the military said following the test conducted by the navy

Israel successfully tested a new ship-to-ship missile system called "Gabriel 5" which was fired from a Sa'ar 6-class corvette of the Israeli Navy, the INS Oz.

According to the Israel Defense Forces, the test was conducted in order to "see how the ship can deal with different threats by using new and advanced weaponry."

The "Gabriel 5" is an advanced ship-to-ship missile system capable of reaching various targets hundreds of kilometers away. The military added that the system can "help protect Israel's strategic assets" – an apparent reference to the Karish natural gas field which has become a target of Hezbollah. The IDF added that the successful test of the system will pave the way towards installing it on all Sa'ar 6 ships for operational use.

Although Israel is optimistic it will reach a U.S.-brokered deal with Lebanon regarding the maritime dispute, the security establishment is concerned that Lebanon-based Hezbollah will attempt to target the Karish rig.

Israel has beefed up its forces around the Karish gas field over the summer, following the downing of four Hezbollah drones over the Mediterranean Sea.

One drone was shot down over Lebanon’s territorial waters in late June, and did not pose danger to Israel, according to the Israel Defense Forces. A few days later, on July 2, the IDF successfully intercepted three Hezbollah drones over the Mediterranean.

The three drones were shot down by fighter jets and the Israeli Navy's Barak interception system. The military believes that the drones were not armed, and did not pose a risk to the country or to the gas field.

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2022-09...9b-5ffe66330000

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Gabriel 5=Sea Serpent=Blue Spear


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They are the same land attack cum anti-ship missile.
I have not seen a Western missile with such a long sea skimming range or low profile mode i.1. 290km (no booster): https://www.navalnews.com/event-news/dsei-2...i-ship-missile/

Interestingly, ST and IAI or Proteus has opted to use the max range of 290km (no booster) thereabout in its marketing materials - likely to keep to global Missile Technology Control Regime (MTCR) guidelines.

Or that as OEM missile manufacturers, they will only sell Gabriel 5/Blue Spear/Sea Serpent with a reduced range i.e. 290km (without booster) or max 300km limit (with booster (reduced fuel so that it does not breach the 300km ceiling)).

Read more on MTCR: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missile_Techn..._Control_Regime

However, Singapore and Israel as OEM manufacturers can deploy the same missile with its max range of 400km i.e. mixed high-low profile.
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Ground based launcher at 0.19 timestamp in the video.

There is a significant difference between Gabriel 5/Blue Spear/Sea Serpent compared to other anti ship missiles.

This missile is built to be a ground attack missile and anti ship missile at the same time. That is why Estonia and Finland bought it. Where do you think the missiles can fly to apart from the sea targets? Mother Russia.

Anti-ship missiles typically use active radar and/or combined with some form of optics. The missile needs to home in on a moving ship in the littorals or open sea. However, these same guidance systems often pose problems for land attacks or when the missile is near large land masses and islets/islands. The guidance system becomes confused. Anti-ship missile terminal guidance radar is optimized for picking a target out of ocean wave clutter. So it is not ideal to use anti ship missiles for land attacks unless it is for coastal i.e. shore attacks. Some anti-ship missiles do not have a land attack capability - harpoons got it later in the form of harpoons blk 2 and Exocets got it in the later MM40 Blk 3 version - but again, they are noted to be effective only for shore targets and not deep in-land attacks.

Gabriel 5/Blue Spear/Sea Serpent likely has a reliable GPS, inertial guidance and missile data link - comparable to Tomahawk (or did the Israelis/Singaporeans got US tech in?)

The result is a data link capable Gabriel 5/Blue Spear/Sea Serpent missile that puts it in the same category as the Block V Tomahawks (but half the range - more than enough for Israel, Singapore, Finland, etc.)



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Sea Serpent/Gabriel/Blue Spear range is 430km


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European defence ministry officials at the Sg Airshow in Feb 2022.

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Singapore Armed Forces formally integrates its 4th branch - the Digital and Intelligence Service (DIS) (Motto: Defend and Dominate)

MISSION:

The DIS will defend and dominate in the digital domain.

As part of an integrated SAF, the DIS will enhance Singapore’s security, from peace to war.


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The DIS will comprise several groups within the Singapore Armed Forces previously established to deal with such threats, which are the C4I Community created in April 2012, Defence Cyber Organisation in March 2017, SAF C4 Command in November 2017, and the Cybersecurity Task Force in December 2020.[4][5] The DIS will consolidate these organisations under one service branch dedicated to psychological defence, tackling digital domain threats, cybersecurity and military intelligence.[6] It was projected to be formally established at the end of 2022.[2]

On 2 August 2022, the Parliament of Singapore amended the Singapore Armed Forces Act and constitution, formally placing the DIS under the SAF and granting the Chief of Digital and Intelligence Service (CDI) legal powers.[7] The DIS was formally inaugurated on 28 October 2022 at the SAFTI Military Institute. The State Colour was presented by President Halimah Yacoob and the first Chief of Digital and Intelligence Service, BG Lee Yi-Jin, was sworn into command.[8]


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Sea

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Digital and Intelligence Service (New)

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post Oct 29 2022, 02:38 PM

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QUOTE(Mai189 @ Oct 29 2022, 02:14 PM)
Singapore Armed Forces formally integrates its 4th branch - the Digital and Intelligence Service (DIS) (Motto: Defend and Dominate)

MISSION:

The DIS will defend and dominate in the digital domain.

As part of an integrated SAF, the DIS will enhance Singapore’s security, from peace to war.


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Branches of the Singapore Armed Forces:

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Long story short - SAF has upgraded its cyber defence and warfare units to new level i.e. branch within the SAF. This will allow better coordination, focus and channeling of resources with respect to cyber defence and cyber warfare. E.g. SAF can leverage on tens of thousands of NS conscripts well versed in cyber knowledge and train them to be cyber troops e.g. hackers, tool developers, etc. The enemy will virtually be facing an armies of well trained hackers/cyber troops. Most of the best hackers are not your uncles in army fatigues but young men fresh out of universities and other educational institutions.

A conflict with SAF will be full spectrum warfare - air, sea, land and cyberspace.

Wars can be won or lost via cyber warfare. Infrastructure can be destroyed or taken over e.g. power stations, dams, etc. Military systems e.g. radar, etc. destroyed or spoofed. People can be dis-informed - causing mass panic. People (civilians and armed forces) can die from cyber warfare.







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post Oct 30 2022, 10:15 AM

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QUOTE(Mai189 @ Oct 29 2022, 12:38 PM)


Ground based launcher at 0.19 timestamp in the video.

There is a significant difference between Gabriel 5/Blue Spear/Sea Serpent compared to other anti ship missiles.

This missile is built to be a ground attack missile and anti ship missile at the same time. That is why Estonia and Finland bought it. Where do you think the missiles can fly to apart from the sea targets? Mother Russia.

Anti-ship missiles typically use active radar and/or combined with some form of optics. The missile needs to home in on a moving ship in the littorals or open sea. However, these same guidance systems often pose problems for land attacks or when the missile is near large land masses and islets/islands. The guidance system becomes confused. Anti-ship missile terminal guidance radar is optimized for picking a target out of ocean wave clutter. So it is not ideal to use anti ship missiles for land attacks unless it is for coastal i.e. shore attacks. Some anti-ship missiles do not have a land attack capability - harpoons got it later in the form of harpoons blk 2 and Exocets got it in the later MM40 Blk 3 version - but again, they are noted to be effective only for shore targets and not deep in-land attacks.

Gabriel 5/Blue Spear/Sea Serpent likely has a reliable GPS, inertial guidance and missile data link - comparable to Tomahawk (or did the Israelis/Singaporeans got US tech in?)

The result is a data link capable Gabriel 5/Blue Spear/Sea Serpent missile that puts it in the same category as the Block V Tomahawks (but half the range - more than enough for Israel, Singapore, Finland, etc.)


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European defence ministry officials at the Sg Airshow in Feb 2022.
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Someone asked if there are submarine and air launched versions of the Blue Spear missile

AFAIK, likely yes for submarine given the design of the Israeli Dolphin-class 2 submarine and Singaporian Type 218SG submarines. No news of air launched but an air launched version will have its range likely doubled given that the missile can glide+propelled by the turbo jet engine from altitude.


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post Oct 30 2022, 10:21 AM

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QUOTE(Mai189 @ Oct 29 2022, 02:38 PM)
Long story short - SAF has upgraded its cyber defence and warfare units to new level i.e. branch within the SAF. This will allow better coordination, focus and channeling of resources with respect to cyber defence and cyber  warfare. E.g. SAF can leverage on tens of thousands of NS conscripts well versed in cyber knowledge and train them to be cyber troops e.g. hackers, tool developers, etc. The enemy will virtually be facing an armies of well trained hackers/cyber troops. Most of the best hackers are not your uncles in army fatigues but young men fresh out of universities and other educational institutions.

A conflict with SAF will be full spectrum warfare - air, sea, land and cyberspace.

Wars can be won or lost via cyber warfare. Infrastructure can be destroyed or taken over e.g. power stations, dams, etc. Military systems e.g. radar, etc. destroyed or spoofed. People can be dis-informed - causing mass panic. People (civilians and armed forces) can die from cyber warfare.




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DIS uniforms:



Reminds me of the Bundeswehr's uniform:

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Or Starship troopers lol

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post Oct 30 2022, 04:25 PM

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A series of agreements and/or cooperation were added to longstanding ones e.g. with the US and Israel to boost cooperation on cyber warfare and security. Similar to other military fields, expertise is built in large part via experiential learning. What better way to train then train/learn from countries e.g. the baltic states which face near daily cyber attacks.





http://www.baltic-course.com/eng/legislation/?doc=136967






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QUOTE(Mai189 @ Sep 20 2022, 07:54 PM)
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Another view of the deployed F16Vs and F15SGs with clearer serial numbers.

From the serial numbers (see my previous posts on this), Singapore would have bought circa 96 to 100 F16s. They gave 7 or 8 early A/B models to Thailand. So, this would mean that they have a current inventory of around 90 F16Vs.

Mai's note: Sg does not publish its orbat but it is not exactly a secret as well - military equipment need to be serialised. Military enthusiasts and even the main stream media rely on older data or presumed ones. It may not be correct.
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RSAF flexes its muscles at Pitch Black
By Nigel Pittaway | Darwin | 5 October 2022

https://www.australiandefence.com.au/news/r...-at-pitch-black

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The G550AEW (RSAF's) provided support mainly for Blue Air during Pitch Black 2022, with Red Air being controlled by the RAAF’s ground-based 114 Mobile Control and Reporting Unit (MCRU).


This is a Dissimilar Aircraft Combat Training (DACT) where controls and limits are on opposing forces to test systems (and not all systems will be used due to OpSec). Tier 3 air forces e.g. RAAF and RSAF will never reveal everything.

But it is likely that RAAF's F35s were being used nose-cold (radar switched off and rely on RSAF's G550 AEW or what we like to call AWACs) so they can see the F15GS, a large 4.5 gen combat jet, first. The F35s are also helped by its stealth so the F15SGs(which has to rely on its own radar and/or MCRU's AN/TPS-77 ground based radar) saw it later.

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One of the factors in the radar horizon formula is antenna height. The same aircraft operating at 3000 feet against an antenna height of 25,000 feet (in an Airborne Warning and Control, AWACs, type system) would have a radar detection horizon of over 250 miles.

The range of an AWACS is much greater than that of ground-based radars - over 200 miles to the horizon and over 400 miles to another aircraft at a high altitude. A line-of-sight radar standing 50 feet above the ground theoretically can detect at about 30 miles a bomber flying at 300 feet above the ground. At greater distances, the bomber is hidden by theearth's curvature. The actual detection range might be less than the theoretical range because of the disruption or blocking of radar pulses by terrain features such as hills. The actual detection range might be greater than the theoretical range if the radar is located on a hill.


https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/wor...ircraft-aew.htm

The result is to be expected:

https://theaviationgeekclub.com/two-raaf-f-...tch-black-2022/

It is always important to know the context of DACTs but this is generally kept secret. Reporters often give an incomplete and therefore incorrect picture.

This is not to take anything from the F35s which Sg is already buying - excellent excellent 5th gen combat jet that will dominate everything in the region - esp when used in a battle network of sensors and shooters (possessed only by Australia and Singapore at this time).

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post Oct 30 2022, 05:18 PM

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New RSAF MPA incoming! To replace the Fokker 50 MPAs.

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The aircraft per se candidates are P8 Poseidon, IAI-Bombardier 6500 or more likely 7500 and a new contender, the Falcon 10X MPA.

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P8 - no need introduction

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https://defense.bombardier.com/en/aircraft/global-7500

Bombadier 7500 Special Mission aircraft

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Dassault Falcon 10X

A key consideration is that Sg wants control over the systems for her own modifications or mix and match systems. That is likely why Sg has not selected the P8 yet. Remember, it is not the platform but systems which matter more. Also, weapons do not need to be carried by the MPA per se but other shooters in a battle network e.g. a USV with torpedoes or F35 or F15SG carrying a QuickSink JDAM.




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QUOTE(darth5zaft @ Oct 30 2022, 05:27 PM)
Basically SG could not continue to relies on the US solely anymore.
SG enter into an agreement with the US as a deterrence to it two nearest neighbour. But as geopolitics conditions change and the 2 bigger neighbors is more crucial to US interest and the fact that 2/3 of SG is ethnically Chinese which could put them at a very difficult situation.

If I'm a betting man, I say the IAI is the likely winner of the MPA tenders.
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I have absolutely no idea what you are yapping about - most of the time; this time agreements against other nations and race. I think you are baiting.

Sg has never relied soley on the US for her systems. Sg has always mix and match for maximum utility and cost effectiveness.

I also think IAI's ELM-2022ES AESA MPA radar as the key sensor:



https://www.iai.co.il/sites/default/files/2...0Brochure_0.pdf

We need to separate the aircraft from the sensors though. The Bombardier and Falcon 10X can fly faster and higher than the Boeing 737. Whether this is important in the context of South East Asia is another matter for consideration e.g. it could be a P8 but with the ELM-2022 AESA radar instead of the US AN/APY-10. The ELM-2022 is said to have higher fidelity in littoral conditions with air-to-air surveillance function (mini AWAC).

Remember this:



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QUOTE(Mai189 @ Oct 30 2022, 05:37 PM)
I also think IAI's ELM-2022ES AESA MPA radar as the key sensor:



https://www.iai.co.il/sites/default/files/2...0Brochure_0.pdf

We need to separate the aircraft from the sensors though. The Bombardier and Falcon 10X can fly faster and higher than the Boeing 737. Whether this is important in the context of South East Asia is another matter for consideration e.g. it could be a P8 but with the ELM-2022 AESA radar instead of the US AN/APY-10. The ELM-2022 is said to have higher fidelity in littoral conditions with air-to-air surveillance function (mini AWAC).

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See the belly under the Boeing 737:



The P8s An/APY-10 maritime radar is located at the nose cone of the Boeing 737 but there is a blind spot at the back. An option exists to fit in smaller An/APY-10 at the tail of the aircraft which was taken up by India(?). Hence, a belly mounted radar is preferable as there is no need for an additional one in the tail.

FYI, the USN's 7th fleet and RAN's P8s operate out of Singapore air bases and patrol the South China Sea (SCS). Whatever platform and systems SG select must be able to integrate or have interoperability with USN and RAN in case of contingencies in the SCS. SG has do to some heavy weight lifting for the time being in ensuring stability in SCS. Malaysia is stuck with ancient assets and Indo is a total mess when it comes to assets (old and a few new) and future procurement (Indonesia zoo - from all over the world and maybe from other planets soon) (provided it can get loans in the first place).

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QUOTE(takbodoh722 @ Oct 30 2022, 07:53 PM)
Dun worry, SG will never detect RMN invisible ships.
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The reason why ties between Sg-Msia is in the sewers at times is primarily due to Tun's narrative. He knows that he has done an enormous damage to Msia's security by instigating ill will and suspicions with other countries - at times with Indonesia; at times with Australia, many times with Sg, etc. I do not think Sg will arm itself to the extent it has without Tun's "support"; they'd rather hoard more wealth. Well done Tun!

Now, there is much to do to restore confidence and build trust between the 2 countries.

As it is, both sides (members of FPDA) are more than likely (and minus a demagogue like Tun) to work together than against one another. In Msia's case, Sg is the only country it can rely on to bring about near immediate and massive amount of military support which will make any country think twice about attacking Msia. It is no secret that Msia welcomes a strong Sg as a bulwark against invaders in the region - the question an invader will ask is - Will attacking Peninsula Msia trigger a response from Sg?

Too bad FPDA doesnt cover East Malaysia.

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Oct 30 2022, 06:58 PM)
Likely replace by g-v class aircraft. System will be compatible with usn.
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If it is IAI systems, they have tied up with Bombardier with their Global 6500 (then) (now there is the larger and latest 7500).

There seems to be a new possibility in the Falcon 10X too as the Franco-German MAWs is dead - timeline for the Falcon 10x deployment is about right too:


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The Falcon 10X, of which the size is ultimately equivalent to that of the ATL2 has a large cabin over 16 meters long, 2,8 meters wide and 2 meters high. It is sufficiently large enough to imagine the integration of a weapon bay. Navy pilots, who have long preferred turboprops for maritime patrol, requiring them to change altitude regularly and to be able to fly very close to the sea (ATL2s can descend up to 100 feet only), gradually learned, with the Falcon 50, to convert to jet engines


https://www.scramble.nl/military-news/the-e...-maws-programme

IAI is getting familiar with the Falcon 10X too:

https://www.asdnews.com/news/aerospace/2022...0x-business-jet

Both the Bombardier 7500 and Dassault Falcon 10x are large jets - about the length of a Boeing 737-300!

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Five Powers unite for Exercise Suman Protector

12 October 2022
More than 260 military personnel from Australia, Malaysia, New Zealand, Singapore, and the United Kingdom have deployed to Singapore for the latest iteration of Exercise Suman Protector.

30 Defence personnel will attend the nine-day Command Post Exercise (CPX), which builds on decades of cooperation under the Five Power Defence Arrangements (FPDA) and supports common security goals.

Australia’s Vice Chief of the Defence Force Vice Admiral David Johnston, AC, RAN, attended the exercise opening ceremony in Singapore and used the opportunity to emphasise the important contribution the FPDA makes to the region.

“The FPDA is an anchor for regional security and stability,” Vice Admiral Johnston said.

“It strengthens interoperability between our militaries and provides a recognised and well-rehearsed platform for partner nation cooperation, with a focus on high-end conventional warfighting.”

Vice Admiral Johnston said the ADF’s participation in Suman Protector continued Australia’s five decade-long commitment to the FPDA.

“The Suman series of command post exercises builds on Defence’s other contributions to the FPDA, including the Bersama series of field exercises, humanitarian assistance and disaster relief planning, and our other broader commitments including Rifle Company Butterworth,” he said.

https://news.defence.gov.au/media/media-rel...suman-protector

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Lol The Aussies did their own video on Exercise Trident 2022.



Earlier vid by Sg's mindef:




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Nice recent pic of RSS Illustrious - 3rd submarine of RSN's Type218SG or belonging to the Invincible Class of submarines.

https://www.shipspotting.com/photos/3468149...ularDays&days=1



Singapore has ordered 4 Type 218SG AIP-equipped submarines which will operate with the 2 Archer Class AIP-equipped submarine.

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These submarines, along with the previously acquired Archer class, will replace Singapore’s Challenger-class submarines.


There was a report recently that a 5th Type 218SG submarine was ordered:

https://militaryleak.com/2021/12/28/german-...singapore-navy/

Speculation remains as to the status of the supposed 5th submarine. It has also been speculated that the 5th submarine refers to RSS Invincible itself i.e. export clearance. Interestingly, the Sg government has not clarified or deny this supposed acquisition. Note that the Sg government clarified that it did not buy the 2A7 version of the Leopard 2 tank when there were reports Sg bought it.

It is reported that the Type 218SG submarines will be able to carry a larger weapons payload consisting of torpedoes and cruise missiles (likely the locally produced Blue Spear land attack and anti-ship missile).

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The customised design is expected to be influenced by the export Type 214 submarine or Type 216 submarine. Features will include AIP and a combat system designed by both Atlas Elektronik and ST Electronics. The Invincible class also features an “X” rudder “which offers enhanced manoeuvrability in confined littoral waters, as opposed to the Type 214’s cruciform rudder arrangement.” The X rudder is used on the Type 212 submarine and its larger and newer derivative, the Dolphin 2-class submarine built for the Israeli Navy which is almost identical in size to the Invincible-class submarine (Israel and Singapore have extensive military ties and frequently procure the same weapon systems). They are believed to have Horizontal Multi-Purpose Airlock, which can be used to launch either torpedoes, divers, or special forces assault teams, and also have the capability to launch cruise-missiles while submerged[13] with an option for Vertical Multi-Purpose Airlock, for launching missile vertically, like the Tomahawk or Naval Strike Missile.


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QUOTE(DeFaeco @ Nov 3 2022, 09:57 AM)
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Good grief. They will have ballistic missile capability soon? We are so screwed.
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Nothing new.

This is a MRLS rocket system with a large rocket so it goes further. This is the Turkish version of the US's ATACMs and new PRsM, European Joint Fire Support Missile and Israeli LORA. The Joint Fire Support Missile (actually i think this more of a cruise missile) (450km), ATACMS (400km to 500km), LORA (400km to 500km) and and PRsM missiles (>650km) are more sophisticated and go further. They are commonly referred to as rocket artillery tactical ballistic missiles.

For comparison Sg's Blue Spear (which is a land attack/anti ship cruise missile) has a max range of 430km and the PRsM missile (launched from Himars) which a Sg Himars was caught testing has a range of 650km and currently the US is increasing range to 1000km - see my previous post. Australia is also in the PRsM missile program from open source research. Vietnam has the Vietnamese R-17E or Russian Scud which has a range of 300km.

China has the most if she chooses to place some in the Spratlys which can reach anywhere in South East Asia - so you see where the deterrence is being pointed to.

This is likely due to Avibras (maker of Astross) going bankrupt so I am expecting a solution that can be fitted into an Astross launcher provided Indo has the money and will to act and properly follow through on this so called agreement.

The problem for Malaysia is that there is no proper anti ballistic / anti air missile system.

To stop smaller calibre rockets, you need a CRAM like Iron Dome.

To stop larger calibre rockets such as the ATACMs or PRsMS you need medium range like Syper SR (41km range) and long range systems (Aster 30 with 120km range). Spyder has a secondary CRAM (for large and small calibre rockets) function. Aster 30 missiles is indeed built to counter short range ballistic missile, cruise missiles, aircraft, etc.

This is how the European Joint Fire Support Missile looks like (large numbers will be bought and integrated in Himars) (I think everyone has seen how the LORA, ATACMS and PRsM look like):


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QUOTE(takbodoh722 @ Nov 3 2022, 04:07 PM)
Sinkie will die for Malaysia? Assume Sinkie bodoh? I'm not even sure Malaysians will die for Malaysia.

No more leverage over Sinkie. Cut water = already enuf desalination, newater. Cut chicken, not even a cluck of complain. Cut people = no impact over entire covid period, only Johor suffer from tourism drop.

Army used to be known to be very good to operate in jungle. But today, jungle getting less and less (forest area <44% of peninsular).

I think better not to irritate Sinkie anymore. One day they decide to sink Mahresia, what can Mahresia do? I think many will be happy to get paid in Sing dollar. Then no need to cross border every day.
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We are using Singkie (embedded in our FPDA narrative) as the ostensible backup in our deterrence.

It is a "force in being".

Whether or not Singkie will help is another matter. Msia can hope it does through better relations.

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