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post May 30 2022, 08:42 AM, updated 4y ago

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Ukraine suffers on the battlefield as the tide of war turns and western leaders consider concessions to Russia

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About 10 wounded soldiers arrived at this hospital in eastern Ukraine in less than an hour Sunday morning — the latest military casualties as Ukrainian forces, outgunned by Russia in the country’s east, continue to lose territory at a critical moment in the war.

“Seventy people from my battalion were injured in the last week,” said a soldier and ambulance driver just outside the hospital gates who identified himself only as Vlad, 29. “I lost too many friends; it’s hard for me. I don’t know how many. … It’s getting worse every day.”

The night before, he said, the shelling was so loud he hardly got any sleep. “It’s all artillery bombing down,” he said. “All the wounded are coming from shrapnel. Most guys in the trenches haven’t even seen the enemy face-to-face.”

They were gearing up to provide additional support for the soldiers battling the Russians head-on, preparing for a worst-case scenario in which Russian forces continue or accelerate their current advance. That would be a potential turning point on the battlefield.

It would come at a particularly desperate moment for the Ukrainians. Kyiv is already enraged that some Western voices are floating the idea of ceding territory to Moscow. And the Biden administration is taking weeks to decide whether to provide heavier weaponry that could aid Ukrainian troops at this critical juncture in the war.

“Everyone’s tired,” said Bohdan, a 30-year-old soldier and officer in the battalion who spoke on the condition that only his first name be used and his precise position not be given. “But we are ready to stand and protect until the last man.”

In recent days, Russian troops have captured the towns of Svitlodarsk and Lyman and have closed in on Severodonetsk, a large regional hub, where Russian forces have entered a hotel on the city limits. If Russian troops manage to encircle and take the city, Moscow would occupy nearly all of Ukraine’s easternmost Luhansk region, which makes up roughly half of Donbas.

“I mainly hope the boys don’t get encircled in Severodonetsk,” Bohdan said of his fellow troops. “They need more guns, they need more weapons.”

The situation in the country’s east marks a shift from an earlier stage of the war, when staunch Ukrainian defenses forced a broad Russian retreat in Kyiv and other areas, increasing confidence among Ukrainians and their Western backers about the prospects of all-out victory over a poorly organized and equipped Russian force.

Having now regrouped, Russian troops are making incremental but steady progress in their campaign in the east and are regularly employing heavy flamethrowers and long-range artillery that Ukrainian forces lack, leaving Kyiv on the back foot. Though Ukrainian resistance has made the fight a slog for Russian forces, Moscow is inching closer to encircling Ukraine’s biggest strongholds in the Donbas region, while fighting on territory contiguous to Russia with easier supply lines.

In a video address early Saturday, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said the situation on the battlefield in Donbas was “very difficult,” with Russian forces attacking Ukrainian positions with “maximum artillery and maximum reserves.”

Whether the weaponry will get to Ukrainian forces in time to stave off a significant defeat in the east is now unclear, as Russian forces unleash a wave of attacks with gruesome weaponry on Ukrainian positions, forcing an exodus of people from the country’s embattled easternmost regions.

Outside the hospital Sunday, men who were recently wounded in Severodonetsk lamented the difficult conditions on the ground. “We need more Javelins,” said Lapa, 26, who spoke on the condition that he be identified only by his call sign.

On Saturday, he said, many dead soldiers slain in fighting nearby were carried out. Now, he said, “Ukrainian soldiers are pulling back.”

“They’re just raining down metal on us,” Lapa said. Nearby, a 25-year-old with his head wrapped in a bandage puffed on a cigarette. He goes by Koleh and had recently hit a mine, he said, although he didn’t know how exactly he ended up wounded.

Severodonetsk, he added, “is the worst.”

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FAKE NEWS !!!!!!!!!!!!!


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post May 30 2022, 08:54 AM

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Russia now abandon fighting with maneuver warfare. Now use superior firepower all the way.
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post May 30 2022, 08:56 AM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ May 30 2022, 08:54 AM)
Russia now abandon fighting with maneuver warfare. Now use superior firepower all the way.
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firepower fund by Europe hypocrite money

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Ok lah, first cut off East Ukraine, later whole Ukraine, then cut off other European countries.

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Funny, hasn't the media been singing that Ukraine with the support of the West money and weapons, is winning the war, Russian invasion will be crushed in the matter of days ...
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post May 30 2022, 09:01 AM

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QUOTE(Spear2 @ May 30 2022, 08:58 AM)
Funny, hasn't the media been singing that Ukraine with the support of the West money and weapons, is winning the war, Russian invasion will be crushed in the matter of days ...
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well, putin grab europe by their balls

it is inevitable, only juvenile in /k can't see this coming

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Ukraine has had many presidents before, all politicians who knows how to play both western and russian side.

This war is totally zelensky fault who obviously doesn't know how international relations works.

Those ukrainian mati all zelensky fault
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Ukraine never have a chance

only the western media talk cok from the start
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Fake news. West should supply more weapon and foreign legion. Just need to bleed russia for a few years war.
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Essentially a war between Russia and the West using Ukraine soldiers.
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QUOTE(JoeK @ May 30 2022, 09:04 AM)
Ukraine has had many presidents before, all politicians who knows how to play both western and russian side.

This war is totally zelensky fault who obviously doesn't know how international relations works.

Those ukrainian mati all zelensky fault
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Zelensky has not much choice, he is a puppet installed by the US government and has to follow his master callings. But now he seems a bit disillusioned as the feeling of being used washing over the nation.
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Depends on which stories you wanted to listen or read

‘WELCOME TO HELL’ Russian soldiers beg to go home as they’ve ‘never seen so many corpses’ in leaked phone calls from Ukraine frontline

https://www.the-sun.com/news/4840946/russia...o-home-ukraine/

Putin says he’s proud of his “noble” war against Ukraine, but his soldiers there say it’s such a mess “entire battalions are starting revolts.”

https://www.thedailybeast.com/russian-soldi...tercepted-calls
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QUOTE(Zot @ May 30 2022, 09:20 AM)
Depends on which stories you wanted to listen or read

‘WELCOME TO HELL’ Russian soldiers beg to go home as they’ve ‘never seen so many corpses’ in leaked phone calls from Ukraine frontline

https://www.the-sun.com/news/4840946/russia...o-home-ukraine/

Putin says he’s proud of his “noble” war against Ukraine, but his soldiers there say it’s such a mess “entire battalions are starting revolts.”

https://www.thedailybeast.com/russian-soldi...tercepted-calls
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Depends also when the above stories are published. Last time when Russia was losing on all fronts those are believable.

Now Russia have regrouped and are starting to gain victories & morale the story on the ground may be different.
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QUOTE(Zot @ May 30 2022, 09:20 AM)
Depends on which stories you wanted to listen or read

‘WELCOME TO HELL’ Russian soldiers beg to go home as they’ve ‘never seen so many corpses’ in leaked phone calls from Ukraine frontline

https://www.the-sun.com/news/4840946/russia...o-home-ukraine/

Putin says he’s proud of his “noble” war against Ukraine, but his soldiers there say it’s such a mess “entire battalions are starting revolts.”

https://www.thedailybeast.com/russian-soldi...tercepted-calls
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you do know the sun and daily beast are.. tabloid news? doh.gif
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QUOTE(marfccy @ May 30 2022, 09:35 AM)
you do know the sun and daily beast are.. tabloid news?  doh.gif
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what you tok kok? any news sided ukraine is legit news
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QUOTE(marfccy @ May 30 2022, 09:35 AM)
you do know the sun and daily beast are.. tabloid news?  doh.gif
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So, as long as it is tabloid, all the news are as fake as your FB, Twitters and WhatsApp? All normal sizes paper are true? smile.gif
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QUOTE(Zot @ May 30 2022, 09:40 AM)
So, as long as it is tabloid, all the news are as fake as your FB, Twitters and WhatsApp? All normal sizes paper are true?  smile.gif
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bruh you got see what kind of news they posted first? go tell me they still legit anot after seeing their other articles which is projecting AF

nak post something also please use credible source at least. dont be like reddit post in 3-4 separate boards of some russian soldier "caught in ukraine crying for mummy" but in each board have different stories and background rolleyes.gif

mind you, go see how modern day journalism work which is topkek. first one post a news that has no basis then others post the same shit quoting each other, sounds to me like circlejerk. if not that then the source most likely derived from NED funded sources (even more kek)
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Man... back to old school tactics. Stand off artillery bombardment? This kind of strategy has not worked ever since bombers and jets were invented. All this fixed positions are so easy to take out.
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russia should take all of ukraine and just allow one small little town call lyiv there to remind that as Ukraine. The tiny Uktaine can take forever to pay US back for centuries. now that is worth laughing
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QUOTE(Zot @ May 30 2022, 09:20 AM)
Depends on which stories you wanted to listen or read

‘WELCOME TO HELL’ Russian soldiers beg to go home as they’ve ‘never seen so many corpses’ in leaked phone calls from Ukraine frontline

https://www.the-sun.com/news/4840946/russia...o-home-ukraine/

Putin says he’s proud of his “noble” war against Ukraine, but his soldiers there say it’s such a mess “entire battalions are starting revolts.”

https://www.thedailybeast.com/russian-soldi...tercepted-calls
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well if reach that point, putin can just send bombers instead of man.
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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ May 30 2022, 08:53 AM)
FAKE NEWS !!!!!!!!!!!!!
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QUOTE(iGamer @ May 30 2022, 08:57 AM)
Ok lah, first cut off East Ukraine, later whole Ukraine, then cut off other European countries.

We wouldn't want crazy Pudding to press the big red button, so just give in lah. innocent.gif
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QUOTE(pretty23 @ May 30 2022, 09:06 AM)
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it doesnt men shit, russia is not taliban, they have cruise missile, precision artilary and modern airforce. without proper support once fired the system is gone already
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QUOTE(marfccy @ May 30 2022, 09:50 AM)
bruh you got see what kind of news they posted first? go tell me they still legit anot after seeing their other articles which is projecting AF

nak post something also please use credible source at least. dont be like reddit post in 3-4 separate boards of some russian soldier "caught in ukraine crying for mummy" but in each board have different stories and background  rolleyes.gif

mind you, go see how modern day journalism work which is topkek. first one post a news that has no basis then others post the same shit quoting each other, sounds to me like circlejerk. if not that then the source most likely derived from NED funded sources (even more kek)
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I know la. Some don't even go to site or event. They just share stories among them even different agencies.

Stories are fabricated from points jotted down. That is how most news are written. Up to what Chief editor wanted to published controlled by politicians. The news from known legit, tabloids or whatever. You take it too serious smile.gif
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QUOTE(Zot @ May 30 2022, 09:59 AM)
I know la. Some don't even go to site or event. They just share stories among them even different agencies.

Stories are fabricated from points jotted down. That is how most news are written. Up to what Chief editor wanted to published controlled by politicians. The news from known legit, tabloids or whatever. You take it too serious  smile.gif
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deswai lo, power of media yo

remember Bond the movie where that media dude triggering China and UK to war icon_idea.gif
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QUOTE(Etude8891 @ May 30 2022, 10:02 AM)
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QUOTE(Zot @ May 30 2022, 09:20 AM)
Depends on which stories you wanted to listen or read

‘WELCOME TO HELL’ Russian soldiers beg to go home as they’ve ‘never seen so many corpses’ in leaked phone calls from Ukraine frontline

https://www.the-sun.com/news/4840946/russia...o-home-ukraine/

Putin says he’s proud of his “noble” war against Ukraine, but his soldiers there say it’s such a mess “entire battalions are starting revolts.”

https://www.thedailybeast.com/russian-soldi...tercepted-calls
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Putin says he’s proud of his “noble” war against Ukraine, but his soldiers there say it’s such a mess “entire battalions are starting revolts.”

This is published on April 13, now it's May 30 and Russia is gaining grounds, yeah slowly. So where are the entire battalions revolting? Slowly too maybe?
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Good, hope russia faster end this war so food & gas prices can quickly go back to normal.
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last time russia kasi muka want to protect civilian and infrastructure...now russian F U ... i just level the whole place
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QUOTE(Spear2 @ May 30 2022, 10:03 AM)
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Putin says he’s proud of his “noble” war against Ukraine, but his soldiers there say it’s such a mess “entire battalions are starting revolts.”

This is published on April 13, now it's May 30 and Russia is gaining grounds, yeah slowly. So where are the entire battalions revolting? Slowly too maybe?
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Just my sample news. Like I said in my other replies, news is to make what people believe. It is more like propaganda machine. You never really know how true.
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QUOTE(Zot @ May 30 2022, 10:08 AM)
Just my sample news. Like I said in my other replies, news is to make what people believe. It is more like propaganda machine. You never really know how true.
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Now these types of stories start to go headline in western MSM. Just a month ago talking about Ukraine possibly losing is unthinkable.

Maybe they start to see which direction the wind start to blow?
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This is only 1939-41 WW2.
When Germany seized France and most of the Europe.
Japan took most of the Asia Pacific.
In the end who won, we already knew.
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QUOTE(ye0073 @ May 30 2022, 10:38 AM)
This is only 1939-41 WW2.
When Germany seized France and most of the Europe.
Japan took most of the Asia Pacific.
In the end who won, we already knew.
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so many /kumaos become puting buttlicker becoz follow wumao wechat group

protip: puting has nuked pariah russia's economy, face, social back to the stone age. no matter what happens in ukraine u think sanctions will go away anytime soon? this is just sneak preview in case some other pariah imperialist country tries anything funny with taiwan
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so where is ghost of kiev lol, sudden kena bomb till father mather dunno d
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QUOTE(stack0verflw @ May 30 2022, 10:41 AM)
so many /kumaos become puting buttlicker becoz follow wumao wechat group

protip: puting has nuked pariah russia's economy, face, social back to the stone age. no matter what happens in ukraine u think sanctions will go away anytime soon? this is just sneak preview in case some other pariah imperialist country tries anything funny with taiwan
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Not only Russia, many Western economies are suffering, the US is struggling too, this is in large part caused by sanctions and the war in Ukraine. If you remember when the rouble dipped below half of what it was before war, many predicted the demise of Putin and Rusia very soon, and that the war would end soon with Russia in economic ruins, back to stone age like you said. It did not happen, but the opposite that the rouble climbs back up and the EU/US are still buying some but less from Russia ... Sure there will be more hardship to come, but as long as Russia keeps selling to India and China, this can be mitigated. Is this sufficient to keep Russian economy afloat?
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Is actually common sense isn't it
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Not really. There's plenty here in kopitiam that is very insistent about their pride , honor , maruah tercabar to waste their one and only life to fight an unstoppable force and die just like that according to their viewpoints. They keep mentioning about if China comes takeover Malaysia, its cowardly to just lay down arms and roll over; to them its better to be a suicide bomber rushing in to the invaders etc kind of wild ideas wasting their one and only given life on this Earth. Eh kinda stupid if you ask me.
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QUOTE(Etude8891 @ May 30 2022, 11:08 AM)
Not really. There's plenty here in kopitiam that is very insistent about their pride , honor , maruah tercabar to waste their one and only life to fight an unstoppable force and die just like that according to their viewpoints. They keep mentioning about if China comes takeover Malaysia, its cowardly to just lay down arms and roll over; to them its better to be a suicide bomber rushing in to the invaders etc kind of wild ideas wasting their one and only given life on this Earth. Eh kinda stupid if you ask me.
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But why would China militarily invade Malaysia tho?
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QUOTE(Etude8891 @ May 30 2022, 11:08 AM)
Not really. There's plenty here in kopitiam that is very insistent about their pride , honor , maruah tercabar to waste their one and only life to fight an unstoppable force and die just like that according to their viewpoints. They keep mentioning about if China comes takeover Malaysia, its cowardly to just lay down arms and roll over; to them its better to be a suicide bomber rushing in to the invaders etc kind of wild ideas wasting their one and only given life on this Earth. Eh kinda stupid if you ask me.
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We can look at history and current situation for the likelihood for China to takeover Malaysia by inferring from China taking over other nations or conducting covert operations on governments or rhetoric military provocations etc ... It's not zero, but I would guess it is very small probability China would.
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QUOTE(Spear2 @ May 30 2022, 10:59 AM)
Not only Russia, many Western economies are suffering, the US is struggling too, this is in large part caused by sanctions and the war in Ukraine. If you remember when the rouble dipped below half of what it was before war, many predicted the demise of Putin and Rusia very soon, and that the war would end soon with Russia in economic ruins, back to stone age like you said. It did not happen, but the opposite that the rouble climbs back up and the EU/US are still buying some but less from Russia ... Sure there will be more hardship to come, but as long as Russia keeps selling to India and China, this can be mitigated. Is this sufficient to keep Russian economy afloat?
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of all arguments, u chose to use "ruble value". tell me again when u can actually SELL that rubbles u hold lol.

stone age economics are coming, they can only get domestic produced low value items now like potatoes etc. even your china has banned their planes from entering because everybody knows without spare parts = your items are walking skeletons. sure, everything looks fine now wait until they finished consuming their stock.
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QUOTE(hotdayum @ May 30 2022, 11:10 AM)
But why would China militarily invade Malaysia tho?
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they did, at champa sea
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QUOTE(Etude8891 @ May 30 2022, 11:08 AM)
Not really. There's plenty here in kopitiam that is very insistent about their pride , honor , maruah tercabar to waste their one and only life to fight an unstoppable force and die just like that according to their viewpoints. They keep mentioning about if China comes takeover Malaysia, its cowardly to just lay down arms and roll over; to them its better to be a suicide bomber rushing in to the invaders etc kind of wild ideas wasting their one and only given life on this Earth. Eh kinda stupid if you ask me.
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so.. if unstoppable force usa navy invade ccp, should ccp just roll over? according to u, no need worry about pride, honor etc right?
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QUOTE(jerm57 @ May 30 2022, 09:51 AM)
Man... back to old school tactics. Stand off artillery bombardment? This kind of strategy has not worked ever since bombers and jets were invented. All this fixed positions are so easy to take out.
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Ukraine dont have sufficient airpower to do that
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QUOTE(stack0verflw @ May 30 2022, 11:14 AM)
of all arguments, u chose to use "ruble value". tell me again when u can actually SELL that rubbles u hold lol.

stone age economics are coming, they can only get domestic produced low value items now like potatoes etc. even your china has banned their planes from entering because everybody knows without spare parts = your items are walking skeletons. sure, everything looks fine now wait until they finished consuming their stock.
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If you can't sell roubles it would have been nearly zero on exchange right? Who wants a currency that cannot be exchanged eh? I guess you are right on the dot.
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QUOTE(diffyhelman2 @ May 30 2022, 11:19 AM)
Ukraine dont have sufficient airpower to do that
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Yeah... not enough jets to cover whole Ukraine.
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US / NATO never wanted Ukraine to join their club.
US just wants to kacau Russian economy, especially the gas supply to Europe.
From the start, if NATO ie US said Ukraine cannot join, there would have been no war.
But never going to happen with Uncle Sam, Middle east/ Afghanistan not enough then Europe, next will be our turn!
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QUOTE(Spear2 @ May 30 2022, 09:16 AM)
Zelensky has not much choice, he is a puppet installed by the US government and has to follow his master callings. But now he seems a bit disillusioned as the feeling of being used washing over the nation.
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Sohai US puppet.

Zelenskyy won 73% of the vote in the last run-off election in 2019. Like that you might as well claim 73% of Ukrainian voters were bribed by US or are neo-Nazis.

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QUOTE(YH1234 @ May 30 2022, 11:18 AM)
they did, at champa sea
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They did? please link your source.
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If you can't sell roubles it would have been nearly zero on exchange right? Who wants a currency that cannot be exchanged eh? I guess you are right on the dot.
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i think u should read up on how finance exchanges work lol
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QUOTE(Spear2 @ May 30 2022, 11:25 AM)
They did? please link your source.
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https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/5275921
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Sohai US puppet.

Zelenskyy won 73% of the vote in the last run-off election in 2019. Like that you might as well claim 73% of Ukrainian voters were bribed by US or are neo-Nazis.
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The reason is you can put a fair candidate or a US chosen puppet and get voted nonetheless.
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i think u should read up on how finance exchanges work lol
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QUOTE(YH1234 @ May 30 2022, 11:29 AM)
I don't see invasion of Malaysia in the link.
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I don't see invasion of Malaysia in the link.
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because you have reading deficiency
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because you have reading deficiency
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Or there is none. If you ae happy enough to copy paste here, but if you are not happy it's okay smile.gif
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Or there is none. If you ae happy enough to copy paste here, but if you are not happy it's okay smile.gif
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thats your problem, you need to cure it by yrself.

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QUOTE(hotdayum @ May 30 2022, 11:10 AM)
But why would China militarily invade Malaysia tho?
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I agree... our politicians, especially the ones from the ruling parties, will just willingly sell away whatever resources China want. It is called business to them, with or without corruption.
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QUOTE(berzerk @ May 30 2022, 11:25 AM)
Sohai US puppet.

Zelenskyy won 73% of the vote in the last run-off election in 2019. Like that you might as well claim 73% of Ukrainian voters were bribed by US or are neo-Nazis.
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fake news... Trump got majority support. lol.
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thats your problem, you need to cure it by yrself.
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It seems to me you indeed have comprehension deficiency for misunderstanding the word intrusion to be invasion. If I remember correctly Malaysia intruded in waters of other nation too. That must be invasion for you too I guess.
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tide of turn??? since when ukraine is winning ??? only those fake crap western media talk crap just to cheat their citizen ..!!
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Ukraine pancut awal, thought Russians can't do it. Its a tactic where prolonged war will defeat their will .... shown in all wars, the strongest last until the last
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QUOTE(Zot @ May 30 2022, 10:08 AM)
Just my sample news. Like I said in my other replies, news is to make what people believe. It is more like propaganda machine. You never really know how true.
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the way you said it is similar to say you went to visit 3 doctors.
doctor A is a doctor from some uni in middle of Africa which you never heard of. He said you are just tired.
doctor B is a doctor from UM, which you have heard of. He said something wrong with you but a bit of rest will be fine.
doctor C is a doctor from Johns Hopkins, which I hope you heard of. She said there is a hormone imbalance and need further investigation.

without even looking at the narrative, I hope you are smart enough to pick which doctor to place your attention.

(you here refers to readers... biggrin.gif )

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QUOTE(Spear2 @ May 30 2022, 11:14 AM)
We can look at history and current situation for the likelihood for China to takeover Malaysia by inferring from China taking over other nations or conducting covert operations on governments or rhetoric military provocations etc ... It's not zero, but I would guess it is very small probability China would.
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The chances of China taking over China is higher than a neighbor like Singapore Thailand or Indonesia invading Malaysia

It's simple.

Superpowers can absolutely dominate small nations if they want to

It's not our neighbors we should worry about it's the superpowers, China USA

Don't stand under the feet of 2 elephants fighting

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tide of turn??? since when ukraine is winning ??? only those fake crap western media talk crap just to cheat their citizen ..!!
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Until the article is published smile.gif
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Kumaos will gladly support Russia and China invading and conquer other countries

But when USA NATO does the same they will say it's devil work super evil

Why not condemn both sides?
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QUOTE(Raddus @ May 30 2022, 11:51 AM)
The chances of China taking over China is higher than a neighbor like Singapore Thailand or Indonesia invading Malaysia

It's simple.

Superpowers can absolutely dominate small nations if they want to

It's not our neighbors we should worry about it's the superpowers, China USA

Don't stand under the feet of 2 elephants fighting
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What I am saying is you have to look at the track record/history of superpowers behavior to determine the likelihood. Otherwise it is just a point that Solomon Islands is trying hard to takeover Malaysia.
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Kumaos will gladly support Russia and China invading and conquer other countries

But when USA NATO does the same they will say it's devil work super evil

Why not condemn both sides?
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I believe most of us do condemn both sides. So who is going to punish the West and US by sanctions or some other ways? All US/EU oversea asset is to be confiscated. Then we can have a fair talking point right?
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naive to think your 'friends' will come and help you, you are just salmon to feed the bear, slow down the bear.
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QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ May 30 2022, 11:44 AM)
I agree... our politicians, especially the ones from the ruling parties, will just willingly sell away whatever resources China want. It is called business to them, with or without corruption.
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Point is a strong defense would be a good deterrent from any kind of attack. Aggression towards a strong opponent is too much hassle.

If you are weak, then stay the fuck away from trouble don't make moves that attracts attention.
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Very different from what those AMDK trashes that keep posting their pro-Ukranian garbage tweets and news at least 10+ posts per day in circlejerking thread there.


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QUOTE(Spear2 @ May 30 2022, 11:47 AM)
It seems to me you indeed have comprehension deficiency for misunderstanding the word intrusion to be invasion. If I remember correctly Malaysia intruded in waters of other nation too. That must be invasion for you too I guess.
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reading deficiency also imply read everything literally like a 7 yo. ccp claim the entire champa sea citing 9 dash line and militarized the area, only a stupid call this intrusion
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I believe most of us do condemn both sides. So who is going to punish the West and US by sanctions or some other ways? All US/EU oversea asset is to be confiscated. Then we can have a fair talking point right?
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Dont generalize

I support Z - jelly?
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QUOTE(Spear2 @ May 30 2022, 12:01 PM)
I believe most of us do condemn both sides. So who is going to punish the West and US by sanctions or some other ways? All US/EU oversea asset is to be confiscated. Then we can have a fair talking point right?
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show how "most of us" comdemn both sides, start with this ts and you. you cant sanction usa doesnt make it fair to invade others, dont divert the subject.
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Russia invade Ukraine is wrong, but US the shit stirrer not right also
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QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ May 30 2022, 11:51 AM)
the way you said it is similar to say you went to visit 3 doctors.
doctor A is a doctor from some uni in middle of Africa which you never heard of.  He said you are just tired.
doctor B is a doctor from UM, which you have heard of. He said something wrong with you but a bit of rest will be fine.
doctor C is a doctor from Johns Hopkins, which I hope you heard of. She said there is a hormone imbalance and need further investigation.

without even looking at the narrative, I hope you are smart enough to pick which doctor to place your attention.

(you here refers to readers...  biggrin.gif )
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People who like to hear good things will believe the doctor that said you are tired.

Surprisingly, your example somewhat of reality. The doctor in poor countries like to comfort you with good news not to worry people. Western doctors tend to scare you with many possible bad news so that they can make you visit more to make more money biggrin.gif
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War and politics, where got right and wrong, black and white.
Winner write the history.
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QUOTE(kding2 @ May 30 2022, 12:48 PM)
Very different from what those AMDK trashes that keep posting their pro-Ukranian garbage tweets and news at least 10+ posts per day in circlejerking thread there.
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dude, nobody cares about ukraine enuff to spam topics...

/kumaos on the other hand, just check la how many ccp/puting tereds they spam each day. ccp party meeting also sibuk want to post here as if weibo not enuff space
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dude, nobody cares about ukraine enuff to spam topics...

/kumaos on the other hand, just check la how many ccp/puting tereds they spam each day. ccp party meeting also sibuk want to post here as if weibo not enuff space
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Keep coping. Hahahaha.
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Keep coping. Hahahaha.
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keep drinking xixipooh's honey pot! rclxms.gif
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Russia invade Ukraine is wrong, but US the shit stirrer not right also
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unfortunately, when it involves countries, there is no such thing as right or wrong. The winner at the end is correct.
(ie morality doesn't matter when it involves war).

History judgement is also subjective, and subject to manipulation.
Japan attack of America is it right?
American nuke on Japan is it wrong?
Britain's attack on China is it wrong?
French attack on Spain is it right?

sad, but.....
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The sooner they get this over with, then they can export wheat and oil again and maybe the world economy will be better?

LOL

I don't think Putin has the strength to conquer whole of Ukraine anyway....just the east.

And the eastern part people has always wanted to join Russia.
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How many times need to make the same mistake and assume victory over a supposedly 'weak' Russia?
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keep drinking xixipooh's honey pot!  rclxms.gif
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Will do while watching you guys' continue seething over Ukraine loss. Delightful.

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The sooner they get this over with, then they can export wheat and oil again and maybe the world economy will be better?

LOL

I don't think Putin has the strength to conquer whole of Ukraine anyway....just the east.

And the eastern part people has always wanted to join Russia.
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if the east Ukraine want to join Russia,let them be, just like Sudan kasi South Sudan goes independent...
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Russia ada banyak supply of young men. Nno worries kan. They could prolong the war, just like in chechen
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Will do while watching you guys' continue seething over Ukraine loss. Delightful.
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as if we care lmao

bet u cant say the same when pooh is getting pissed in non-ccp controlled media cool2.gif
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I only care about fuel price, whoever win and offer me money & cheap fuel = he is my idol.
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Fake news la...

We all know Ukraine is winning la..
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so when is Russians going for a coup and kill Putin?

nobody killing Putin?

no color revolution?

LOL


the whole world (US+Russia+China+India+Saudi+OPEC) are now bleeding EU dry.

the biggest loser is Ukraine (losing territories) and EU


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QUOTE(ekoh @ May 30 2022, 02:24 PM)
Russia invade Ukraine is wrong, but US the shit stirrer not right also
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stir what shit lol

whole of NATO was at peace until Russia attacked in 2015

QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ May 30 2022, 03:23 PM)
unfortunately, when it involves countries, there is no such thing as right or wrong. The winner at the end is correct.
(ie morality doesn't matter when it involves war).

History judgement is also subjective, and subject to manipulation.
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nonsense, of course it matters. History is not as subjective as popularly memed
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Japan attack of America is it right?
American nuke on Japan is it wrong?
Britain's attack on China is it wrong?
French attack on Spain is it right?

Yes
No
Yes
What era is that?

QUOTE(stack0verflw @ May 30 2022, 03:12 PM)

/kumaos on the other hand, just check la how many ccp/puting tereds they spam each day. ccp party meeting also sibuk want to post here as if weibo not enuff space
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for years and years /kumaos claim /ktards spam pro-USA threads, but we all know Cockwank narf03 judas et al are actually the most prolific pro-CCP spammers

all following commie-style rewriting of history, 2 + 2 = 5
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reading deficiency also imply read everything literally like a 7 yo. ccp claim the entire champa sea citing 9 dash line and militarized the area, only a stupid call this intrusion
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You provided the link here yourself

https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/5275921

Read it and find that invasion of Malaysia out for us, okay? Can you?

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Both same keturunan, Russia Ukraine. Both actually faking it and losing so so much.


The only difference is one is a proxy to the West, kennot let Ukraine fall because later Russia mengganas to other country but kennot supply too much until Ukraine reoccupy old states and later counterattack Russia.

The other country is just all in, stupid gamble by Puting. Mundur Russia because of current Ukraine offensive. Can't wait for China come conquer these backwaters and transform it into tourist places. Can't wait for a tour to Siberia, courtesy of China operated tours. Mandi in banyas hngggh.

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QUOTE(natx001 @ May 30 2022, 12:49 PM)
Dont generalize

I support Z - jelly?
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Don't generalize too ya.
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show how "most of us" comdemn both sides, start with this ts and you. you cant sanction usa doesnt make it fair to invade others, dont divert the subject.
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Why need to show you when you can't even differentiate intrusion from invasion? I mean I am talking to a person who has comprehension issue, yes?
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Looks like after the fall of Mariupol, Ukraine are avoiding letting themselves be encircled in cities anymore. Now we could probably see a new pattern of Ukrainians withdrawing and rather than be encircled in cities.
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as if we care lmao

bet u cant say the same when pooh is getting pissed in non-ccp controlled media  cool2.gif
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You care enough to reply those posters that posting Ukranian negative news.

At meantime, i recomend you to get Biden juicy and drink it when seething. The saltiness will make your seething more.. you know... seethe further.
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You care enough to reply those posters that posting Ukranian negative news.

At meantime,  i recomend you to get Biden juicy and drink it when seething. The saltiness will make your seething more.. you know... seethe further.
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i think u misunderstood something... i reply becoz it's fun to see kumao autistic screeching every time someone dared to go against their wechat group agenda

ukraine die la, biden hamkaling la.. u guess i care? lolol
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Russian forces were edging closer to the centre of the eastern Ukrainian city of Severodonetsk despite fierce resistance, Luhansk's regional governor has said.

"The Russians are advancing into the centre of Severodonetsk. The fighting continues. The situation is very difficult," the Luhansk regional governor Sergiy Gaiday said in a statement on social media, adding gas and water has been cut off with "no possibility" of restoring them.

Describing the Russian tactics, Mr Gaiday said: “They would be shelling for three, four, five hours and then advance. If those who are attacking are killed, then shelling starts again, and then another attack. And this would be happening until they are able to break through our positions somewhere."

sos


Interesting
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QUOTE(KLthinker91 @ May 30 2022, 04:02 PM)
stir what shit lol

whole of NATO was at peace until Russia attacked in 2015
nonsense, of course it matters. History is not as subjective as popularly memed

Yes
No
Yes
What era is that?

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Which nation of NATO is not at peace now? I didn't know NATO is so useless that it could not defend itself when it was attacked in 2015, as you claimed.

your answers already indicate you are biased, which is fine. that's your opinion. Especially the part about using nukes being not wrong. console.gif
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Fake news la...

We all know Ukraine is winning la..
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winning is relative terms, depending how you define it

according to /k standard, ukraine is always winning, and winning so hard
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QUOTE(KLthinker91 @ May 30 2022, 04:02 PM)
stir what shit lol

whole of NATO was at peace until Russia attacked in 2015
nonsense, of course it matters. History is not as subjective as popularly memed

Yes
No
Yes
What era is that?
for years and years /kumaos claim /ktards spam pro-USA threads, but we all know Cockwank narf03 judas et al are actually the most prolific pro-CCP spammers

all following commie-style rewriting of history, 2 + 2 = 5
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US ask his proxy to provoking Russia
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QUOTE(KLthinker91 @ May 30 2022, 04:02 PM)
stir what shit lol

whole of NATO was at peace until Russia attacked in 2015
nonsense, of course it matters. History is not as subjective as popularly memed

Yes
No
Yes
What era is that?
for years and years /kumaos claim /ktards spam pro-USA threads, but we all know Cockwank narf03 judas et al are actually the most prolific pro-CCP spammers

all following commie-style rewriting of history, 2 + 2 = 5
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Yeah, setting up military bases and missiles at Russia’s borders is definitely peaceful.
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Which nation of NATO is not at peace now? I didn't know NATO is so useless that it could not defend itself when it was attacked in 2015, as you claimed.
NATO was at an all time low in preparedness in 2015, easily understood by examination of their defence policies of the time, if one wishes to be informed
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Especially the part about using nukes being not wrong. console.gif
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in WW2 all weapons that could be invented were being used, with the exception of gas which had been agreed as an unacceptable WMD

it was only in the 50s that, following experiments, nations realised how dangerous nuclear weapons are. only then did nuclear weapons acquire the stigma that they have today.

hindsight is 20/20, but it's an inaccurate way to assess historical decisions
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US ask his proxy to provoking Russia
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Yeah, setting up military bases and missiles at Russia’s borders is definitely peaceful.
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we've been through this

there were no bases and missiles at Russia's borders, furthermore, it is not an acceptable casus belli

NATO in 2015 was in the middle of withdrawing troops from the Continent, as a matter of FACT
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Not really. There's plenty here in kopitiam that is very insistent about their pride , honor , maruah tercabar to waste their one and only life to fight an unstoppable force and die just like that according to their viewpoints. They keep mentioning about if China comes takeover Malaysia, its cowardly to just lay down arms and roll over; to them its better to be a suicide bomber rushing in to the invaders etc kind of wild ideas wasting their one and only given life on this Earth. Eh kinda stupid if you ask me.
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China with it plaza Accord situation, 70% reliance on export to angmoh, 80% import of fertilizer & energy through narrow straits of Malacca which shipment is secure by Us navy and demographics decline is FAR from being an unstoppable force.

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Yeah, setting up military bases and missiles at Russia’s borders is definitely peaceful.
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Yeah, setting up military bases and missiles at Russia’s borders is definitely peaceful.
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Then don't openly make your intention to annexed other nations land be public knowledge.

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China with it plaza Accord situation, 70% reliance on export to angmoh, 80% import of fertilizer & energy through narrow straits of Malacca which shipment is secure by Us navy and demographics decline is FAR from being an unstoppable force.

What angmoh gives angmoh could take away.
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QUOTE(darth5zaft @ May 30 2022, 10:12 AM)
China with it plaza Accord situation, 70% reliance on export to angmoh, 80% import of fertilizer & energy through narrow straits of Malacca which shipment is secure by Us navy and demographics decline is FAR from being an unstoppable force.

What angmoh gives angmoh could take away.
Only a dumb dog try to bite the masters hands
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Heard of China's Dual Circulation? Belt and Road initiative. Those are to counter West.

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Then don't openly make your intention to annexed other nations land be public knowledge.

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Heard of China's Dual Circulation? Belt and Road initiative. Those are to counter West.
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A little too small too late.
You don't bite first then only then try to make export substitution.

At least Russia got bigger brain then tongsan is.
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I believe most of us do condemn both sides. So who is going to punish the West and US by sanctions or some other ways? All US/EU oversea asset is to be confiscated. Then we can have a fair talking point right?
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QUOTE(KLthinker91 @ May 30 2022, 05:10 PM)
NATO was at an all time low in preparedness in 2015, easily understood by examination of their defence policies of the time, if one wishes to be informed

in WW2 all weapons that could be invented were being used, with the exception of gas which had been agreed as an unacceptable WMD

it was only in the 50s that, following experiments, nations realised how dangerous nuclear weapons are. only then did nuclear weapons acquire the stigma that they have today.

hindsight is 20/20, but it's an inaccurate way to assess historical decisions

nonsense

we've been through this

there were no bases and missiles at Russia's borders, furthermore, it is not an acceptable casus belli

NATO in 2015 was in the middle of withdrawing troops from the Continent, as a matter of FACT
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Nope that’s just bullshit claims, in the midst of withdrawing? Then give me facts in terms of numbers, how many troops were withdrawn in 2015. No point you say you will withdraw but you still have same number of troops.

QUOTE(darth5zaft @ May 30 2022, 05:15 PM)
Then don't openly make your intention to annexed other nations land be public knowledge.

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Nope that’s just bullshit claims, in the midst of withdrawing? Then give me facts in terms of numbers, how many troops were withdrawn in 2015. No point you say you will withdraw but you still have same number of troops.
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average defence budget across NATO had been in constant drawdown since the end of the Cold War and reached an all-time low in 2015

the British was almost completing a redeployment of troops out of Germany, and closing down former Cold War bases

the US, as all here should know, was in the middle of the Pacific Pivot and had no major ground troops in Europe

NOBODY expected a war against Russia in 2015

who's the one preparing for war here?:

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QUOTE(KLthinker91 @ May 30 2022, 05:10 PM)
NATO was at an all time low in preparedness in 2015, easily understood by examination of their defence policies of the time, if one wishes to be informed

in WW2 all weapons that could be invented were being used, with the exception of gas which had been agreed as an unacceptable WMD

it was only in the 50s that, following experiments, nations realised how dangerous nuclear weapons are. only then did nuclear weapons acquire the stigma that they have today.

hindsight is 20/20, but it's an inaccurate way to assess historical decisions

nonsense

we've been through this

there were no bases and missiles at Russia's borders, furthermore, it is not an acceptable casus belli

NATO in 2015 was in the middle of withdrawing troops from the Continent, as a matter of FACT
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Usually I try to be as polite as I can, but in this case, I just will just call you out as is. Apologies for my directness.

You are naive as best, but stupid is more like it. And obviously tries to lie your way out.
Lie: please state clearly which Nato country is currently at war, as you have already implied it is with russia.

Naive: which part of nuke is fine up to 1950s but is not acceptable now? The destructive force of nukes is acceptable for you to allow America to deploy them in heavily populated area like cities? Cities where civilians lived. If a big bomb is dropped in KL now, I am sure it is all ok, right?

Next time if all of us read statements like I didn't know this is wrong by some criminal, hopefully the world and all judiciaries will allow the criminal off, as not realising what is wrong or dangerous is fine.

If you think history is judged objectively, then I'll leave you be to your opinion. You are entitled to your opinion.

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QUOTE(KLthinker91 @ May 30 2022, 05:40 PM)
average defence budget across NATO had been in constant drawdown since the end of the Cold War and reached an all-time low in 2015

the British was almost completing a redeployment of troops out of Germany, and closing down former Cold War bases

the US, as all here should know, was in the middle of the Pacific Pivot and had no major ground troops in Europe

NOBODY expected a war against Russia in 2015

who's the one preparing for war here?:

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why not provide the actual dollar and cent spending? I am sure USA is at the low side of spending.
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Time for peace. Then lower inflation.

Reduce interest rate. Share price go up. Profit
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Time for peace. Then lower inflation.

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Doesn't matter how many small countries are totally destroyed to achieve it.
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ukraine die la, biden hamkaling la.. u guess i care? lolol
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why not provide the actual dollar and cent spending? I am sure USA is at the low side of spending.
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In 2013, the USA's defence budget was 4.48% of its GDP, or USD 754 bn / 16,800 bn

In 2013, Russia's defence budget was 3.14% of its GDP, or 110 bn / 3,500 bn in PPP-adjusted US dollars

In 2013, China's estimated defence budget was of 1.07% of its GDP, or 266 bn / 15,500 bn in PPP-adjusted US dollars

the USA's defence budgeting policy had been to spend about as much as China and Russia combined, relative to GDP, and you can see that the percentages are roughly there (4.48 vs 4.21)

before complaining that "hey the dollar value is 754 bn vs a total of 376 bn", bear in mind that defence budgets include personnel expenditure, and the cost of living in USA is much much much higher than Russia and China

QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ May 30 2022, 05:56 PM)
Lie: please state clearly which Nato country is currently at war, as you have already implied it is with russia.
lol you consider this to be a lie? okay, sure, I will amend that: NATO is not at war with Russia. happy?

there's certainly truth in that statement. but what the point is, relative to this discussion, escapes me.
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mainly the part relative to its radioactive effects, since the world seems to accept the use of conventional weapons of equal destruction

that's just how it is; I don't make the rules
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The destructive force of nukes is acceptable for you to allow America to deploy them in heavily populated area like cities? Cities where civilians lived. If a big bomb is dropped in KL now, I am sure it is all ok, right? 
maybe you should read up on WW2 history...?

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You provided the link here yourself

https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/5275921

Read it and find that invasion of Malaysia out for us, okay? Can you?
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Why need to show you when you can't even differentiate intrusion from invasion? I mean I am talking to a person who has comprehension issue, yes?
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QUOTE(KLthinker91 @ May 30 2022, 06:39 PM)
In 2013, the USA's defence budget was 4.48% of its GDP, or USD 754 bn / 16,800 bn

In 2013, Russia's defence budget was 3.14% of its GDP, or 110 bn / 3,500 bn in PPP-adjusted US dollars

In 2013, China's estimated defence budget was of 1.07% of its GDP, or 266 bn / 15,500 bn in PPP-adjusted US dollars

the USA's defence budgeting policy had been to spend about as much as China and Russia combined, relative to GDP, and you can see that the percentages are roughly there (4.48 vs 4.21)

before complaining that "hey the dollar value is 754 bn vs a total of 376 bn", bear in mind that defence budgets include personnel expenditure, and the cost of living in USA is much much much higher than Russia and China
lol you consider this to be a lie? okay, sure, I will amend that: NATO is not at war with Russia. happy?

there's certainly truth in that statement. but what the point is, relative to this discussion, escapes me.

mainly the part relative to its radioactive effects, since the world seems to accept the use of conventional weapons of equal destruction

that's just how it is; I don't make the rules

maybe you should read up on WW2 history...?
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thank you for at least admitting you lied earlier. So Nato is not at war right?

When a country is always picking fights everywhere, maybe sometimes that country is the war-mongering state. Sometimes, not all the time. But I do like your creativity in using PPP, just to inflate numbers.

sure, I do need to read my ww2 history because I am ignorant enough to think that a weapon capable of killing thousands is NOT ok to be deployed in a city full of civilians, while all your argument is radioactive. Nice argument btw... I originally thought you would state that back in the 1940s, no one know nukes can level a city. You obviously read widely.

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thank you for at least admitting you lied earlier. So Nato is not at war right?
Why don't you answer the question; do you consider NATO to be at war?

And no, I did not lie; I never said NATO is in a legal state of war, nor did I say that Russia declared war on NATO.
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But I do like your creativity in using PPP, just to inflate numbers.
if you think PPP is not important, well... go ahead and argue that out with economists why they are still using a pointless measurement
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sure, I do need to read my ww2 history because I am ignorant enough to think that a weapon capable of killing thousands is NOT ok to be deployed in a city full of civilians, while all your argument is radioactive. Nice argument btw... I originally thought you would state that back in the 1940s, no one know nukes can level a city. You obviously read widely.
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...I don't know what your point is, your rhetoric is too high-flying for me to penetrate. Not that I bother that much to be honest.

On the surface it's clear that you either haven't read enough about WW2 or pretend not to; whichever it is, I don't care lol
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QUOTE(KLthinker91 @ May 30 2022, 07:28 PM)
Why don't you answer the question; do you consider NATO to be at war?

And no, I did not lie; I never said NATO is in a legal state of war, nor did I say that Russia declared war on NATO.

if you think PPP is not important, well... go ahead and argue that out with economists why they are still using a pointless measurement

...I don't know what your point is, your rhetoric is too high-flying for me to penetrate. Not that I bother that much to be honest.

On the surface it's clear that you either haven't read enough about WW2 or pretend not to; whichever it is, I don't care lol
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bruh/bro...

In future, if want to argue your cases, it would be a good idea to rely on logic and facts.
For example, now asking me back "if Nato is at war" is irrelevant simply because it was a statement by yourself, which is false. You trying to qualify it, etc is weak at best.

I never said PPP is not important, I am just calling you out on your argument of trying to use PPP to inflate numbers. Your earlier attempt to use % increase and later % of GDP would have worked out better.

But good that you highlighted twice that I should read more about WW2 in order to learn more; only now I realize that there are people who think Japan was justified in attacking America (vs what russia is doing now) and in same time it was NOT wrong for America to use nukes (a weapon of unparalleled destructive force up to 1940s). Which means I am missing something.

if you still don't understand ur errors, nothing much I can do. But I do apologize for taking up your and my time in this discussion.

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Actually those Ukraine propaganda was made by Russians, so that looks like Ukraine doing good defending.
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Actually those Ukraine propaganda was made by Russians, so that looks like Ukraine doing good defending.
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bruh/bro...

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...from the bruh/bro to the paggro to the rambling, I really don't know what's going on rclxub.gif

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