Memory usage is still around upper 500's to 600+ for me (2GB system). But it hardly affects operation at all. Don't pay too much attention to the numbers.

As linkin mentioned, overall system response is faster, and it works great.

i got problems with firefox when running sp1. donno wat's the probs but it's quite slow lar, got not responding very often. n when i want to c**ck the activation, something when wrong with the control panel. can't open it. the evalution date oso change to forever (no date displayed). then i turn back to retail version.

This post has been edited by od3n: Oct 4 2007, 11:33 PM

- "all OS has bugs anyways"
True, that includes vista, xp, mac os, linux, etc

- "XP took 5 years to mature,"
They took quite a while to mature, IMHO. Luckily XP SP2 is stable enough.

- "screwed up ppl at google want us to use their desktop search"
This is to give competition for desktop search. More competition = kills monopoly = better products

- "Bad drivers from both ATi and nVidia"
Not really an OS problem. Linux also had their fair share of problems regarding driver availability. It's good that ATI and Intel drivers are now open sourced.

- "not supporting old hardware/softwares"
People do not have to upgrade their OS if their existing OS does all the job you want well.

To add, Vista's development started shortly after XP was released in Autumn 2001. Microsoft had lots of time to develop Vista and the deadline was pushed many times. But when Vista finally came out, it disappoints. I find this unacceptable. They develop a new version of OS very much longer than Mac OS releases its new cool OS and linux (think Ubuntu, openSuse, Fedora, etc). Not to mention mac os and linux eye candy are far cooler (think compiz fusion - see it's youtube video, http://youtube.com/watch?v=bvnQE1EAEZY), functional and uses less resources than Vista. Not to mention Microsoft pathetic attempt to mimic linux's "Enter your password for Administrator Privileges" thing.
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Back to the topic, Microsoft says don't bother with the Service Pack 1. See here. http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9790540-7...l?tag=nefd.lede

Let me give you a snippet



IMO, game developers should now make games for linux and mac os as well. If I'm not mistaken, OpenGL 2.0 is superior than DirectX10 - need to confirm. OpenGL 3.0 development is now underway.

Depend on your take. Honestly, I loved the built in indexing, and I used it on XP. while you might say less monopoly = better product, that takes does not seem to make sense in some cases. Windows Search is and definately will always be superior than the phatetic google desktop search. The most lolwut case is that Real Media vs Windows Media Player. On one hand, you have a shareware, which is full of adware, and have many faetures locked untill you pay for the full version. On the other hand is a full freeware that you have bundled with the OS, does not mind if any other software want to make itself a default player, have a good library, burning and ripping feature, and you don't have to pay anything to use it. And yet they are deemed the bad guy here just because it works well. Ironic.

= Not supporting old Hardware/Softwares
I have a quite new canon all in one scanner, printer, copier. During beta testing for Vista I already alerted Canon that the driver did not work for Vista, and they send me a nice reply that they will make a new version. Then Vista launched and I did not received any new driver. Thus I called them and ask them about it. Their reply? "We feel that you need to buy our new printer. We will not make a new driver for Vista on this". I was flabbergasted. mind you, this product is one of the new product that they released at the end of 2005, thus there is still much shelf life in it. It was a blantant attempt to make people buy their new product. It's up to the consumer wether that they want to upgrade their OS.

On SP1, did you really read the whole news?

exactly. which is what Vista was intented to do all along and XP cannot do. XP has too many holes and without autoupdates, the patches seems like a new OS to the users.


The reason DirectX was created (it was hailed as teh creation of the century by PCGamer) was it's ability to let the OS communicate directly to the hardware without the developer have to learn complex coding. It was never superior to OpenGL, but more friendlier to developer.

Well, WMP wins hands down against Real Media. I also do not see any serious issue regarding WMP being the default media player. I tried Musicmatch a year ago and I think it is a pretty good software. Unfortunately, I haven't use it for a long time now so I don't know how it performs now. Alternatively, Amarok 2.0 (linux music player& manager) is being ported to windows. It will be interesting to see how this software comes up against WMP and itunes.

As I have mentioned earlier. It is really the manufacturer fault for not releasing the drivers. We need hackers to reverse engineer those drivers so that your printer can work on Vista. Same problem occurs in linux world.

I don't understand why people are anticipating Vista SP1. People who have automatic updates turned on will already have some of the updates right? People should anticipate Vista SP2 instead. Don't forget about the extra features promised in Vista Ultimate which is still not delivered.

Regarding directx and opengl, Microsoft came on top because they made game development with directx easier than the superior but complicated opengl. Game developers are on schedule and they need to finish the software fast. IMO, this is the reason why they choose directx over opengl.

Complications like this is where many open source softwares came on short. They make wonderful products but unfortunately, not yet consumer friendly and developer friendly in case of opengl.

This post has been edited by gmhafiz: Oct 9 2007, 03:22 PM

Real loose to every player there is out there. Which is why I feel it's weird that it wanted to come up against the free WMP, when you need to pay to get teh full usage of Real Player. Free players are now becoming more and more common, that I think it's not Real vs WMP, but Real vs everything else.

just asking, if i've updated my vista with the latest updates, do i need to install this sp as well???

The SP1 Pack is still in beta, which means it's still being tested. and yes, you will still need it, when it's out.

can any one give us a download link for the vista sp1

new bootscreen

finally beta is out. cant wait for the sp1

May i know ..
if this Vista SP1 finally released....

Shall we reformat our current RTM Vista @ install the SP1 ?

Or by downloading Patch ?? ...Update ???

This post has been edited by haobeck: Dec 3 2007, 11:19 AM

Update will be provided (either standalone installer or Windows update) if you have already RTM installed.
Added
Just got the new beta from Connect


This post has been edited by linkinstreet: Dec 3 2007, 04:32 PM

Hoo...
cool man!
So SP1 released today eh?

Can Ahem version be updated to SP1 then ??

Read,

And the pirated issue, i don't want to comment