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post Apr 17 2022, 09:24 AM

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News coming out that some of the English core (Maguire & Rashford were named) are not happy with the appointment of Ten Hag and they preferred Poch. No contract extensions to be offered until Ten Hag speaks to these players and decides.

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post Apr 18 2022, 09:12 PM

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Here's Maguire's reaction to Ronaldo's winning freekick goal.


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post Apr 18 2022, 11:38 PM

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Here we go. ETH.


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post Apr 19 2022, 09:14 AM

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QUOTE(zhou.xingxing @ Apr 19 2022, 07:29 AM)
He is from opposite team surely cant be happy for the goal ma
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Some of the English players looked half hearted in celebration for what was a late winning goal as well.
The dressing room split looks big and I guess Ronaldo's the only player big enough to be able to come in and stand up to the cliques. I can see in the summer either Ronaldo goes or some of the English groupies go.

QUOTE(damnself @ Apr 19 2022, 09:10 AM)
City is getting Haaland. Things are getting worst isn’t it? 🤣

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/...ng-Haaland.html
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Not too sussed about it. I think Haaland is vastly overrated for what he is. Him being Raiola's client means it is a lot of PR spin.
As a forward he's good but not as good as he is marketed to be. Any forward worth his salt is going to have a good time at City. Ronaldo would have 40 goals this season if he went to City.

Right now, it doesn't matter who our rivals buy. We won't be challenging them next season anyway.
Our fight is internally with ourselves and our own deadwood first.

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post Apr 19 2022, 08:56 PM

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QUOTE(silvertoes @ Apr 19 2022, 06:56 PM)
finally talking some sense about transfers..

last January let 5 go out on loan without a replacement, reducing squad depth..
end up failed miserably in 2 possible trophy competitions, 4 wins in 13..

club like United should be able to sign 6-7 quality players this coming transfer window..
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Well, I guess we can look forward to starting alively discussion on who is coming in.

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post Apr 20 2022, 07:53 AM

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A proper thrashing with the customary Maguire gifts for the third and fourth goal.
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post Apr 20 2022, 08:45 AM

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QUOTE(lee82gx @ Apr 20 2022, 08:43 AM)
I predicted a 3-0 first half and 0-0 second half after they switch off and avoid injuries. I see that salah played to the end. Guess I forgot they are pros, my mistake.
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Liverpool did drop the intensity second half. Felt both goals in the second half were literally gifts by Maguire.
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post Apr 20 2022, 08:59 AM

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QUOTE(callmecool @ Apr 20 2022, 08:48 AM)
we still got City and Chelsea next?
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Yes. Ooh boy, hang on to your hats.

QUOTE(zhou.xingxing @ Apr 20 2022, 08:53 AM)
maguire the king  biggrin.gif we gonna see him full 90 mins for the next 5 games.
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The camera went to Rangnick after the third goal and he was furious. Maguire not even bothering to get close to Mane and jogging.
Maguire probably trying to clip some long passes for his Twitter account by trying the pass which resulted in the fourth goal.


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post Apr 20 2022, 10:13 AM

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The loss is good. It further exposes the players for what they are and highlights the hole that we are in to the Board.
Look at the bigger picture.

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'Embarrassing. Disappointing. Humiliating': Ralf Rangnick pulls no punches as he says Manchester United are 'SIX YEARS' behind Liverpool... and claims up to 'TEN' players could join in summer rebuild

'There will be a rebuild here,' he told reporters in his post-match press conference.  'Six, seven, maybe 10 new players will come.

'(Liverpool) have better players than we have and this was really reflected by the result today.

'There will be a rebuild for sure, that was obvious in the first three or four weeks for me. For us it is extremely embarrassing as a coaching staff to sit here and have a press conference like this. We just have to admit they are better than us.'
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It allows Rangnick to set the importance of the rebuild and back Ten Hag to get the players he wants.
Most importantly, the backing to throw players that are not needed out.

See what Rangnick has been doing post match in the press conferences. He is setting up the problem statement for the Board.
The match is not important for what it is. Using the match to get traction for our summer strategy is.


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post Apr 20 2022, 11:12 AM

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QUOTE(O-haiyo @ Apr 20 2022, 10:59 AM)
At this point, RR should have benched Maguire already. The whole world already know how shit he is. No point trying to prove something that is so obvious. Unless of course, there's power play behind the scene.
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Maguire using his influence in media, ex-players and in the dressing room to cement his place as an untouchable in the squad.
Rangnick now dismantling that status by letting him play and exposing him until he no longer as influence and his media friends no longer want to back him so the captaincy and be taken off and maybe Maguire offloaded.

So by making everyone sick of Maguire, it paves the way for a rebuild.

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post Apr 20 2022, 12:45 PM

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QUOTE(kenlimfornication @ Apr 20 2022, 11:31 AM)
Lol people shitting on Newcastle who is 17 points behind. Meanwhile, man utd is 20 points behind man city.

At least they scored 1 in Anfield.
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I, for one, would like to nominate Eddie Howe for manager of the season.
The results Newcastle have put on the board since he joined is nothing short of remarkable.

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post Apr 20 2022, 12:59 PM

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QUOTE(aaron1717 @ Apr 20 2022, 12:54 PM)
every rumours keep saying ETH asked for this asked for that... we will see how our transfer window perform to see whether all these shits are real or not... even strong coaches like JM or LVG also cant get what they want... i doubt ETH can demand anything more from the board... lol
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The secret sauce to ETH is if he gets the support from the club at director level. ETH is a tracksuit coach who wants to be involved in training and not in negotitions with agents, etc. That is why DOF support is critical.
This is where Rangnick is coming in. Listen to his press conferences detailing everything wrong at United. He's opening the door to allow ETH to make the changes which he wants.

For reference, I'm dropping a clip of the post match conference after Liverpool. Listen to it. He's setting the stage for ETH.


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post Apr 20 2022, 02:57 PM

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QUOTE(and85rew @ Apr 20 2022, 02:36 PM)
hmmm..RR ready to offload Lingard in Dec
But board blocked it....
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Not forgetting the Board blocked any incomings as well in Jan.
We need 10 players because....TEN Hag. Ten is the way to go.

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post Apr 20 2022, 04:43 PM

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QUOTE(zhou.xingxing @ Apr 20 2022, 04:37 PM)
seeings his video in england training and his on the pitch effort can understand why he hardly gets injured despite having a huge body.  innocent.gif
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If you don't run, you reduce the risk of getting injured.
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post Apr 20 2022, 07:07 PM

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QUOTE(IpohGuyz @ Apr 20 2022, 05:54 PM)
Rashford need proper guidance. He is very good before become mr mbe
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QUOTE(silvertoes @ Apr 20 2022, 06:21 PM)
not really.. Rashford was good in counter attacking positions..
when a through ball in front of him, chasing the ball.. that is when he is the most dangerous, because of his blazing pace..
the second dangerous thing he got in his locker is cutting in at the edge of the box followed by a powerful shot..

his first touch was 50-50 ok back then, the same now.. his dribbling was nowhere near good enough to be threat..
his decision making basically the same.. his range of passing was never a threat, the accuracy was not up there either..

maybe just maybe he lost his finishing sharpness.. thats it
he was too overhyped during Ole time.. that was the problem

the fact is, the most successful and best performance Rashford produced was coming off from the bench..
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QUOTE(aaron1717 @ Apr 20 2022, 06:49 PM)
well before fernandes came in, he is the only one carrying ole cacat team to top half of the table before mco... and bruno came in to be a pro when we playing without fans... with fans... he terus cacat dy... fear of crowd ini budak...  tongue.gif  tongue.gif
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Rashford also had a subtle change in the positions he was used in.

During Mou's time, he was used in a counter attacking inside forward position. His pace and dribbling excelled here on the counter with the forwards disrupting the ceenterbacks to create space for Rashford. He did not need to rely too much on decision-making.

Under Ole, somehow he was led to believe that Rashford was a number 9 and could play as such. Against most teams sitting deep, Rashford simply had no space and didn't possess the striker positioning that Greenwood seems to have. So he flounders now between a weird number 9/10 role. Check out his recent interviews, Rashford views himself as a number 9 which is not a position he excels in yet.

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post Apr 21 2022, 12:17 AM

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QUOTE(howyoulikethat @ Apr 20 2022, 10:19 PM)
not sure why no one agreed with you on this. The players are mostly at fault, but it was Ralf Rangnick that selected this terrible team to play out his strategy. And his strategy clearly does NOT work. I totally agree with you, when you said that tukar whole team only can win is actually a poor manager. And Ralf is a poor manager at Manchester United. Ronaldo's individual brilliance saved Ralf's ass in both the Tottenham game and Norwich game.
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We judge managers when they are put in a position to be judged. Rangnick is not put in a position to be judged because he's not been given the tools as a manager. The club is trying to get to the end of the season.
That is why I don't pass judgement on RR personally.

- Rangnick is playing with a weaker set of players than Ole. Club allowed some of them to go in Dec like Martial and Donny without replacing them. Squad is diluted.
- Rangnick was not allowed to recruit a single player by the club in Jan despite players leaving and the team needing a CDM.
- Rangnick was announced as only a temp manager, giving the players the impression he carried no authority.
- Players can go on leave without informing Rangnick because they can get Murtough's approval directly.
- Rangnick tried to institute a gegenpressing 4-2-2-2 but the lack of workrate from certain players means it did not work. Rangnick had to adjust to the players instead because players refused to follow instructions.
- For the Liverpool game, United were missing our best defender Varane. Missing McTominay and Fred in midfield which Matic for the first time this season had to play 90 minutes. And missing our two best forwards in Ronaldo and Cavani. Pogba didn't want to be part of the game after 5 minutes and left.

The loss to Liverpool is expected.
This is a hole dug by the players, and compounded by the decision of the club to abandon the season by not getting reinforcements in Jan. Those to me are the two main factors. Rangnick does not feature.


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post Apr 21 2022, 08:59 AM

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To illustrate the difference between how United is run and other clubs, let me use the case study below.

This team is a former PL winner who in recent years has fallen into decline. It is years since their last PL win and now are left with trying to hang with the big boys. In the latest rebuild, they have run into problems with certain players being out of sync with the manager. One of whom is the influential captain of the club and one of the highest paid members of the squad. He had cost the club a club record transfer fee. The dressing room is divided and on the pitch performance suffered. All eyes fell on the manager and the club on how the situation is handled.

This club is Arsenal.

Arteta basically froze Auba out of the squad until he could toe the line set by the manager. When this did not improve, the captaincy was taken off him. It ended when Arsenal made a decision to let Auba go on a free to Barcelona mid-season despite him being a club transfer fee record. Look at where Arsenal are today and their performances after Auba left. This is what it looks like when the club backs the manager. This is the club sending a message that the manager is more important to the club than any player.


So back to Manchester United. Does Manchester United's decisions reflect the manager being the top guy at the club, or does the club place the players above the manager?
Question is rhetorical.



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post Apr 21 2022, 09:25 AM

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QUOTE(simmarjit @ Apr 21 2022, 09:12 AM)
Auba was stripped because he came back late without informing the club, he was flashy etc maybe not good for the atmosphere idk, but he did score goals for them just not really under Arteta. Now Auba is banging in goals for Barca and a great free signing he is for them.
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Auba was a string of disciplinary issues. I think there was also a couple of team meetings where he was late and left out as it was sending the wrong message. When your captain can get away with things like that, it lowers the standard of expectation to others. Standards. Now there is a familiar word to United fans.

Arsenal bit the bullet and now both parties are much happier. Never doubted Auba's talent.

Can see signs of Rangnick trying to do the same at United now. Him naming players and managing exits before Ten Hag arrives.

QUOTE(Purpleheaven @ Apr 21 2022, 09:17 AM)
Somebody has been listening to gary Neville's rants. Legit points tho
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I actually haven't listened to Gary's podcast not his commentary as he lost credibility with me as a pundit with his self admitted bias when Ole was there.
I prefer Simon Jordan. Go give it a listen.
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post Apr 21 2022, 04:49 PM

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For you tactically inclined fans wanting to dissect the Liverpool game and those wondering on Rangnick's involvement, here's the latest by Tifo which I found interesting.
They used the recent Liverpool game for this.


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post Apr 21 2022, 07:42 PM

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Wonder if there are players who used to bully Donny.

"Touch and go football is not United DNA."

Now Donny's daddy is coming. If Donny still gets stuck on the bench I don't know what to say. biggrin.gif

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