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TSH.K. Lee
post Mar 22 2022, 08:30 PM

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QUOTE(H.K. Lee @ Mar 22 2022, 02:16 PM)
ok, let me try to find a solution.

1. if they can live stream in their website, and only those with the ticket can watch. you have ticket, you have the barcode. you 'cant' buy the ticket if it's non-halal to you, so making it public is not an issue because you 'cant' watch if you dont have the ticket.

2. Disclose the database of all ticket bought, with info where it is being issued, what time etc, BEFORE the live draw. No other ticket is eligible to win if it is out of this database.

3. Winner must be publicly announce. if you scare of being kidnap, don't play.

i feel, with this, it is almost impossible to scam. except for changing the weight of the ball to sway the result. or bomoh like some of you mentioned, lol.
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just do this can liao..maybe weight each of the ball during live draw even better.. easy and low cost job, but im sure they wont implement..

lol, it seems someone want to give the threat vibe sending some link to toto and make some drama. I already did it myself asking them questions how they can convince ppl there's no loophole for scam. funny.

having the draw live or not is really not the biggest loophole, the biggest loophole is they can simply rig a machine and backdate a winning ticket. until they publicly tell us how that is not possible, then there will always a possibility..
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post Mar 22 2022, 08:47 PM

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QUOTE(PJng @ Mar 22 2022, 07:15 PM)
Why ts only mention toto? Magnun and kuda?
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im a toto fans, because i almost win big. the concern applies to all gaming company. im fed up with our fellow malaysian attitude towards stuff like this. kisah tak kisah attitude. dude i know VT is rich, but exploit is always an exploit. if im him, i dont mind printing myself 80mil if it's just a 5mins job, no one is going to check anyway, because im already rich. no one will know who win dude, these ppl are dumb.
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post Mar 22 2022, 10:27 PM

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I worked part time in Toto during live draw before

Draw time definitely can't cheat. Many CCTV everywhere and it's all recorded

Machine backdating ? Maybe and I think it's possible

By the way, almost every draw got 6D or RM 100k winner from East Malaysia. 4D jackpot was hit last Saturday in Sarawak. Toto and East Malaysia tak berpisah πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚
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post Mar 23 2022, 08:08 AM

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QUOTE(-PuPu^ZaPruD3r- @ Mar 22 2022, 10:27 PM)
I worked part time in Toto during live draw before

Draw time definitely can't cheat. Many CCTV everywhere and it's all recorded

Machine backdating ? Maybe and I think it's possible

By the way, almost every draw got 6D or RM 100k winner from East Malaysia. 4D jackpot was hit last Saturday in Sarawak. Toto and East Malaysia tak berpisah πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚
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Rich Businessman from peninsular go east Malaysia buy toto or the winner a real sabahan or sarawakian?

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post Mar 23 2022, 08:08 AM

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QUOTE(kkk8787 @ Mar 22 2022, 07:07 PM)
I have sent sports toto a link and relay your concern and forwarded all the posts that think it’s rigged you sent here to them. I have also sent an email officially to their HQ on this matter. Let’s see what’s their reply
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Any updates from them?
TSH.K. Lee
post Mar 23 2022, 08:54 AM

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QUOTE(blek @ Mar 23 2022, 08:08 AM)
Any updates from them?
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i also hantam them many times dy, but no response one. i really hope they can at least see what i suggest here. i'll surely stick to just toto and buy until the day i die.
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post Mar 23 2022, 06:32 PM

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QUOTE(blek @ Mar 23 2022, 08:08 AM)
Any updates from them?
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Surprise surprise none so far .
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post Mar 23 2022, 06:36 PM

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QUOTE(H.K. Lee @ Mar 23 2022, 08:54 AM)
i also hantam them many times dy, but no response one. i really hope they can at least see what i suggest here. i'll surely stick to just toto and buy until the day i die.
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why you wondering if sportstoto is a scam or not but still stick to buy geh?
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post Mar 23 2022, 07:10 PM

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QUOTE(H.K. Lee @ Mar 22 2022, 02:16 PM)
ok, let me try to find a solution.

1. if they can live stream in their website, and only those with the ticket can watch. you have ticket, you have the barcode. you 'cant' buy the ticket if it's non-halal to you, so making it public is not an issue because you 'cant' watch if you dont have the ticket.

2. Disclose the database of all ticket bought, with info where it is being issued, what time etc, BEFORE the live draw. No other ticket is eligible to win if it is out of this database.

3. Winner must be publicly announce. if you scare of being kidnap, don't play.

i feel, with this, it is almost impossible to scam. except for changing the weight of the ball to sway the result. or bomoh like some of you mentioned, lol.
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1. Troublesome and will raise more issue. With the possible heavy network traffic, later video lag ke not clear ke den users will complain again.

2. Nice idea but I don't suggest to publish to public. Can have the data ready for audit. With face revealing somemore you basically telling ppl where the winner live nearby. And I don't think toto want to risk losing customers for revealing their face and locations.

Also later got dispute how? U can say toto changes their file after draw but toto also can say you modified their file after download. What file format you suggest? PDF is not fool proof and also takeout a lot of space unless you say the file is keep for one day only.

Even if it's online query, it will takes heavy tolls on the website and network due to the numbers of entries.

3. Maybe lowyat forum should implement this also. Account must be open with IC and real name. If scare den don't post in lowyat forum.
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post Mar 23 2022, 07:18 PM

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QUOTE(H.K. Lee @ Mar 22 2022, 02:16 PM)
ok, let me try to find a solution.

1. if they can live stream in their website, and only those with the ticket can watch. you have ticket, you have the barcode. you 'cant' buy the ticket if it's non-halal to you, so making it public is not an issue because you 'cant' watch if you dont have the ticket.

2. Disclose the database of all ticket bought, with info where it is being issued, what time etc, BEFORE the live draw. No other ticket is eligible to win if it is out of this database.

3. Winner must be publicly announce. if you scare of being kidnap, don't play.

i feel, with this, it is almost impossible to scam. except for changing the weight of the ball to sway the result. or bomoh like some of you mentioned, lol.
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There are blockchain based lottery systems that already solve all these problems.
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post Mar 24 2022, 12:28 AM

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QUOTE(viktorherald @ Mar 23 2022, 06:36 PM)
why you wondering if sportstoto is a scam or not but still stick to buy geh?
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what does that has to do whether i play or not? already saying im playing still..

QUOTE(Akaashi @ Mar 23 2022, 07:10 PM)
1. Troublesome and will raise more issue. With the possible heavy network traffic, later video lag ke not clear ke den users will complain again.

2. Nice idea but I don't suggest to publish to public. Can have the data ready for audit. With face revealing somemore you basically telling ppl where the winner live nearby. And I don't think toto want to risk losing customers for revealing their face and locations.

Also later got dispute how? U can say toto changes their file after draw but toto also can say you modified their file after download. What file format you suggest? PDF is not fool proof and also takeout a lot of space unless you say the file is keep for one day only.

Even if it's online query, it will takes heavy tolls on the website and network due to the numbers of entries.

3. Maybe lowyat forum should implement this also. Account must be open with IC and real name. If scare den don't post in lowyat forum.
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the 'technicality' you're talking about are trivial and easily solvable. thanks for the laugh.
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post Mar 24 2022, 12:57 AM

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QUOTE(pobox @ Mar 21 2022, 05:57 PM)
58 choose 6 = the factorial of 58 divided by all over the factorial of 58-6 times the factorial of 6.

The result is β€” 40,475,358 possible combinations all in all.
Therefore, your chance or probability of winning a system 6/58 lottery is 1:40,475,358 or 0.00000247%.
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still infinitely bigger chance than zero
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post Mar 24 2022, 09:11 AM

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QUOTE(H.K. Lee @ Mar 24 2022, 12:28 AM)
what does that has to do whether i play or not? already saying im playing still..
the 'technicality' you're talking about are trivial and easily solvable. thanks for the laugh.
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It's always easier to talk about it than actually implement it when you are not the business owner or the ones who execute it. Same here. Thanks for the laugh.

Edit: And sureee PAS/BN will support you. You mean the ones that haram this and haram that will support live streaming of lottery game 3 times a week hahahahaha seriously good laugh right there. See what happen to the lottery shops in Kedah?

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post Mar 24 2022, 02:23 PM

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I have been to live draw before, a few times. The entire draw is recorded, public and auditors are present to verify, the number balls are kept in box and there're a few sets, those boxes were opened up for the panel to see before putting them into draw machine. There're plenty of CCTVs in the room too. Public will be invited to press button to stop the machine (ping pong jumping around in the air), when the balls settle down, the winning ball will be pushed up. The live draw itself looks pretty solid and legit. The only way they can rig this is backdate the winning ticket. If you managed to hit the jackpot before they decided to "claim" it, you will for sure walk away with the money, that's why there are plenty of real winners out there. perhaps toto should come out and explain why backdating the ticket, a.k.a printing the winning ticket after the result is out is NOT possible. The draw itself is transparent enough.
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post Nov 21 2024, 08:35 AM

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Nice read so far πŸ˜„

Now is only 60% of 80m.

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post Nov 21 2024, 08:39 AM

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It’ll never be truly genuine if we don’t have an independent body to check all this (eg Gaming Commission in USA) that isn’t paid by these gaming companies themselves.
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post Nov 21 2024, 09:08 AM

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the actual winner is the house/dealer
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post Nov 21 2024, 09:11 AM

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QUOTE(H.K. Lee @ Mar 22 2022, 08:47 PM)
im a toto fans, because i almost win big. the concern applies to all gaming company. im fed up with our fellow malaysian attitude towards stuff like this. kisah tak kisah attitude. dude i know VT is rich, but exploit is always an exploit. if im him, i dont mind printing myself 80mil if it's just a 5mins job, no one is going to check anyway, because im already rich. no one will know who win dude, these ppl are dumb.
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a true addict indeed

bro you should watch this movie lah

this bad habit will ruined your life eventually



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MishimaZ
post Nov 21 2024, 09:13 AM

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QUOTE(-PuPu^ZaPruD3r- @ Mar 22 2022, 10:27 PM)
I worked part time in Toto during live draw before

Draw time definitely can't cheat. Many CCTV everywhere and it's all recorded

Machine backdating ? Maybe and I think it's possible

By the way, almost every draw got 6D or RM 100k winner from East Malaysia. 4D jackpot was hit last Saturday in Sarawak. Toto and East Malaysia tak berpisah πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚
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I heard the east usually bought TOTO in bulk... usually many parties accumulate money buy many numbers.... once strike, only distribute....
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post Nov 21 2024, 09:14 AM

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QUOTE(mini orchard @ Nov 21 2024, 08:35 AM)
Nice read so far πŸ˜„

Now is only 60% of 80m.

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I will strike this jackpot on this Saturday. LoL

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