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poweredbydiscuz
post Mar 22 2022, 09:58 AM

 
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QUOTE(c64 @ Mar 22 2022, 09:53 AM)
lol. Why you divert now? It just proves. IT CAN BE RIGGED. Unlike what you claimed. No need to bring in every other companies in the world.
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Lol thanks for proving my point again and again.
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post Mar 22 2022, 10:00 AM

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ever kena 1st price before so i believe it is not a scam just very hard to strike. like once in a lifetime
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post Mar 22 2022, 10:01 AM

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QUOTE(poweredbydiscuz @ Mar 22 2022, 09:58 AM)
Lol thanks for proving my point again and again.
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lol. Yeah. Keep repeating the same BS like it's truth. Kipidap. Dungipap.
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post Mar 22 2022, 10:05 AM

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QUOTE(c64 @ Mar 22 2022, 09:53 AM)
lol. Why you divert now? It just proves. IT CAN BE RIGGED. Unlike what you claimed. No need to bring in every other companies in the world.
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In audit world we called it "what could go wrong" and no such thing as zero risk. To answer your question, yes it COULD be rigged. That's why they have to put in all the controls and efforts to show that they minimize the risk/possibility of the game being rigged.

If you are still not convinced, den dont play the game.
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post Mar 22 2022, 10:07 AM

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QUOTE(Akaashi @ Mar 22 2022, 10:05 AM)
In audit world we called it "what could go wrong" and no such thing as zero risk. To answer your question, yes it COULD be rigged. That's why they have to put in all the controls and efforts to show that they minimize the risk/possibility of the game being rigged.

If you are still not convinced, den dont play the game.
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post Mar 22 2022, 10:10 AM

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it seem like some people here don't understand what is audit report laugh.gif
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post Mar 22 2022, 10:36 AM

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Later you kena liao still want come here kpkb say rig or not.
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post Mar 22 2022, 11:19 AM

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Anything can be rigged la...if wanna believe something, die die will believe. Even with scientific evidence also ppl still can say it's a scam. just like flat earther will believe what they want to believe. anti-vaxxer will believe what they want to believe. Just like how many are still Najib's supporter even when so many evidence is pointing at him
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post Mar 22 2022, 11:21 AM

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QUOTE(tahfeikei @ Mar 22 2022, 09:28 AM)
hey JimbeamofNRT raynman
remember in the 70s, they had TOTO draws on RTM ?
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most fellas here dont even exist yet at that time

and this!



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This post has been edited by JimbeamofNRT: Mar 22 2022, 11:22 AM
TryingToSurvive
post Mar 22 2022, 11:28 AM

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QUOTE(H.K. Lee @ Mar 21 2022, 05:55 PM)
they can backdate a winning ticket..
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You know these companies have to be audited.
Just to win a small 80mil want to do fraud?
Yearly they earn billions and want to do fraud for small 80mil prize and lose the gambling license? Don't be stupid la.
Sometimes bodoh itu simpan so people don't call you stupid
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post Mar 22 2022, 11:39 AM

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QUOTE(Aligee @ Mar 21 2022, 07:38 PM)
Casino & Gambling if no 'rig' sure a lose-money business!
That's why even, those sportsmaker @ Bookie need to 'bribe' those sports-players in $Billions to play into their odds!  brows.gif

*And now got people, think that some plastic balls on numbers rolling in some cage, can't be rigged? LOL, seriously lol!  laugh.gif
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post Mar 22 2022, 11:54 AM

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dont care, as long as I money in>money out. I rarely buy toto, got 1 time sudden got inspiration, terus go buy toto 4D, win consolation prize. rclxm9.gif
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post Mar 22 2022, 01:00 PM

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post Mar 22 2022, 01:36 PM

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QUOTE(TryingToSurvive @ Mar 22 2022, 11:28 AM)
You know these companies have to be audited.
Just to win a small 80mil want to do fraud?
Yearly they earn billions and want to do fraud for small 80mil prize and lose the gambling license? Don't be stupid la.
Sometimes bodoh itu simpan so people don't call you stupid
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https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/btot...l-4q-more-draws

Sometimes bodoh itu simpan ya.
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post Mar 22 2022, 02:15 PM

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QUOTE(Akaashi @ Mar 22 2022, 12:27 AM)
Ppl already explain to you nicely and you don't want to accept and think all these are some sort of conspiracy.

Do you know all the info of the tickets are centralized in the database server? How do you print a backdated ticket on a rigged machine that is not sync with the database timestamp? Whose seller ID it gonna be? Boss own ID? Lol.

You may even question the game is rigged so that it is near impossible to win, but to say they can simply backdate a ticket themselves is just a baseless accusation. Btw they hire big4 to audit them, and if I rmbr correctly, they need to validate those big winning ticket.  so would you like to question big4's integrity?
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are you the one who is managing their server? you dont think 80mil is enough to add a few line of codes to backdate a ticket? who is there to stop them?

dont get me wrong, im not angry at all. im still buying toto and will do so in future to come. I almost win with another 2 friends with 4 numbers hit, and another 2 numbers shifted.
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post Mar 22 2022, 02:16 PM

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ok, let me try to find a solution.

1. if they can live stream in their website, and only those with the ticket can watch. you have ticket, you have the barcode. you 'cant' buy the ticket if it's non-halal to you, so making it public is not an issue because you 'cant' watch if you dont have the ticket.

2. Disclose the database of all ticket bought, with info where it is being issued, what time etc, BEFORE the live draw. No other ticket is eligible to win if it is out of this database.

3. Winner must be publicly announce. if you scare of being kidnap, don't play.

i feel, with this, it is almost impossible to scam. except for changing the weight of the ball to sway the result. or bomoh like some of you mentioned, lol.

This post has been edited by H.K. Lee: Mar 22 2022, 02:41 PM
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post Mar 22 2022, 06:38 PM

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QUOTE(pisces88 @ Mar 21 2022, 06:01 PM)
how to backdate?

the draw conducted in front audience la, u got time can go. cuci mata
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show proof first they date totally cannot be changed lar gullible. duh

QUOTE(andyng38 @ Mar 22 2022, 09:41 AM)
I've attended live draws...looks legit to me. Will buy 1 set of numbers for Wed's 6/58 draw. Come to me RM84 millions! YAHOOO! smile.gif

But if u think it's a scam...don't buy any tickets and avoid the scam! It'll be way better than those conspiracy nutjobs who think it's a scam, and STILL buy tickets biggrin.gif
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you got to check the machine and the balls with forensic experts or not before the draw? another gullible.

QUOTE(TryingToSurvive @ Mar 22 2022, 11:28 AM)
You know these companies have to be audited.
Just to win a small 80mil want to do fraud?

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that 1 is acc audit. not machine audit.

The only solution is must announce the real winner so the public can observe if they really spend the money .

If make new law must machine audit , system audit and announce winner you see lar still can easy win or not.

This post has been edited by Accord2018: Mar 22 2022, 07:25 PM
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post Mar 22 2022, 06:42 PM

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QUOTE(H.K. Lee @ Mar 21 2022, 05:41 PM)
alright guys lets get serious, hitting 80mil soon..

1. So why dont they youtube livestream their draw, ok i get it some of will say can go to their building and see it real life

2. What's stopping them from backdating a winning ticket?

3. can someone please hack into their system and backdate a winning ticket?
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if u never win anything from the game, you gotta blame yourself for that son
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post Mar 22 2022, 06:44 PM

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QUOTE(H.K. Lee @ Mar 21 2022, 05:59 PM)
who say they cannot? dude, backdate a winning ticket along with the draw no la..
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Erm, u can actually attend the draw . It’s transparent. They have zero need to cheat on this as the odd itself is adequate for them to confirm win.
Same as casino has no interest to cheat you as the odds are already heavily against you
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post Mar 22 2022, 06:50 PM

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QUOTE(kkk8787 @ Mar 22 2022, 06:44 PM)
Erm, u can actually attend the draw . It’s transparent. They have zero need to cheat on this as the odd itself is adequate for them to confirm win.
Same as casino has no interest to cheat you as the odds are already heavily against you
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They cannot comprehend.. they thought vincent tan need to songlap the few millions zzzz

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