Good morning Sifu's.

Was just wondering, how ready is Malaysia in terms of EV? Any thoughts?

Thanks.

Fuel still cheap here. Battery replacement & other part still expensive and hard to get.

lack of charging station and low 2nd hand value due to battery depletion.
but if you are buying as toy car, then no prob

Very valid comments. I believe skill to maintain/repair might also be concern?

Yeah tempted to buy one as a secondary vehicle, the Hyundai Ioniq5 ticks all the boxes for me.

Lack motivation, petrol is cheap.
Lack infrastructure, really limited charging facility
Lack incentive, MY consume way too price sensitive, pay more to save the earth? what a joke
Lack awareness, MY consumer see EV, PHEV, Hybrid like see ghost, scare this scare that, most of all, scare of RV

Also need to consider the habit of Malaysian driver, interstate driving is common. It sucks to have mileage anxiety, which is a existing problem in China now given their EV adoption is really high. Not uncommon for them to encounter jam on highway and end up have to turn off aircon just to preserve battery for more mileage to the next charging station. And the best thing is, there's a jam / queue to charge their car. Let's imagine, driving from JB to Penang, have to charge mid way, and if you are unlucky, there's 2 char infront of you, each have to charge at least 30-60 mins.

But it's suitable if you only travel within city, and have charging point at home.

Also Malaysian dont have old car scrapping regulation, so it's common to keep your car for 15-20 years if it can run, but EV is never meant to be a 10-20 years car.

Thanks for the input Hungrygodzilla, appreciate it.

not ready at all from all aspects

Whats your own concern, mind sharing?

In this rapid changing world, nothing is "ready". If you are interested and have the mean, just do it.

Total silence.
Futuristic design in and out.
Reputable brand.
Beats conventional cars hands down, in term of persive owner's image....New Civic? What new Civic?

Test drive and update us what you think

let's say there is no problem with the cost of owning an EV now

there is most likely no charging station within 20km of your location, government or petrol station owner wont be willing to invest charging station unless there is numbers, but consumer wont buy EV unless there is charging station, hence the chicken and egg question arise

let's say in KL/Selangor, where many of us staying in high rise doesn't have place to even wash our car, and installing a charging station cost the management money unless you are staying in high rise that already has charging station fitted by developer, if you are staying in landed property this is not a problem since you can charge using the 240v wall socket but it will take longer time

charging time for EV is long, unless there is a universal battery swap at charging station or fast charging station, else you will have to partial charge it and plan your mileage for the day

Good things that the Ionic 5 is a 800v architecture so charging takes only minutes.

switching between petrol and battery drive, latter around 10% weaker and lesser responsive, but very quiet. it will be especially good using battery mode and sleep inside the car.

https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/cove...ts-implications

Perhaps removal of fuel subsidy even played gradually will be the pivot point that will push things in the direction

https://www.carlist.my/news/apparently-govt...-anymore/88856/

Bingo! That's the same 800v design reference from the Nevera hypercar.

Hyundai and Porsche have stakes in Rimac!

Meanwhile in China, they developed an automatic battery swapping
Accroding to the news: 3.3 Million EVs are sold in China in 2021

You will probably see your average grocery and food spending sky rocket then. At least 30% increase and price is sticky upwards. Even later when fuel prices go down, consumer prices won't.

We will have a runaway inflation and high poverty rakyat

If you draw the parallel, expect this too

https://www.todayonline.com/singapore/elect...e-shops-1842886

Only the quantum and the increase over time may differ.

FYI, we as business owner, have faced one of the most drastic increased electricity price in Malaysia w.e.f
1st Feb 2022

Sticks is out but would carrots come after.?

IF only ...

https://www.businesstimes.com.sg/hub/bt-mot...of-new-coe-rule

This post has been edited by EnergyAnalyst: Mar 15 2022, 09:39 AM

for now, better off with hybrid. best of both worlds. good fc for town driving and worry free during long distance driving

If you can find a charger that can pump out 800v. Are there any in Malaysia yet?

The Ionic looks like a really interesting car, I think I would have to make a lot of sacrifices to run an electric car though.

These guys are in the process of upgrading to 800v not sure if they have completed it or not.

I dont think you should measure charging speed by volts eg 800v.

The right way is to measure by kW.

For example a 70kW charger should be able to charge a 70kWh car just a little bit over an hour.

If you stay in a landed property, why not?

Keep or rent a petrol car when you need to road trip

when Battery replacement time .. battery cheap already ..

how cheap is consider cheap?
20k 10k or 1k?

we can check Prius and honda insight battery price

unfortunately both car are no longer in the market

battery cheap...
but...inverter still exp

You are not wrong. However voltage play huge role in the high power system, especially a DC system.

for the same 70kW, doubling voltage reducing the current by half.

1) Let's assume perfect power factor of 1.0 for simplicity. P = I^2 * R, high school physic. P = Square of Current multiplied by Resistant.

Use V=IR

70,000W with 400V, current = 175A
70,000W with 800V, current = 87.5A

2) Assume gauge 0 cable (that's very thick 0.855cm in diameter cable on each polarity), the resistance is about 0.0004 ohm per meter at room temperature 25C. Assume a 10m cable, that's 0.004 ohm, round trip = 0.008 ohm.

Use P = I^2 * R

400V, power loss over cable = 175^2 * 0.008 = 245W
800V, power loss over cable = 87.5^2 * 0.008 = 61.25W

You see, significantly less loss over the charging cable wires with 800V.
Furthermore the loss power will dissipate as heat, cause the wire to heat up and increase the wire resistance -> even more loss -> even more heat.

3) Let's not forget the voltage drop over the cable. In the school, on electronics, the current is so small and insignificant, we always assume wire resistance = 0, voltage drop over the wire = 0V.

In high power system, it is different story.

Use V = IR

400V voltage drop over the wire = 175 * 0.008 = 1.4V. Voltage at load end = 398.6V
800V voltage drop over the wire = 87.5 * 0.008 = 0.7V. Voltage at load end = 799.3V

You see wire itself cause voltage drop on the high power system, thus we always have something called remote sensing, where we have high impedance load that run in parallel as the actual application load. Such the the current over the high impedance load is small and negligible, then we can measure the load end voltage drop, and compensate it by increase the source voltage.

So source run slightly higher voltage at source to allow load to actually get 400V, 800V.

4) Lastly, running at 800V system also allow thinner wire due to lower current on the car itself. Thus lower loss + lighter car.

5) So, 70kW at 800V will charge faster than 70kW at 400V due to higher efficiency (provided the the bottleneck is not at battery side, and assume same battery thermal management).

This post has been edited by constant_weight: Apr 7 2022, 08:39 PM

Yikes this is too technical for me already.

For EV users, the behaviour would be to charge their cars at home most of the time right? Even upgrading to a 3-phase, you can only get up to 400V for your home.

So the 7kW charger on a 230V single phase is actually decent enough as not alot of EV cars in the market is equipped with a 22kW on-board chargers. Most of it are capped at 11kW.

Well the Merc e300 hybrid batt alone is RM50K. There are additional charges too!

The other side of the coin is, if one can afford the e300 $50K is cheap!

yeah...tat is only price for the battery...
hybrid to have extra component....which is not cheap...
+ additional ice maintenance or fixes...
so..i think it will be nightmare also....lol

You are right on AC charging that used on-board charger that convert AC to DC. 11kW or lower are all AC. 22kW have both AC and DC variant. Those faster charger eg:. 150kW are all DC.
The DC fast charging don't use on-board charger in the car, it is the car that negotiate max supported charging rate with the charging terminal directly. So that case the limit is not the on-board charger, but the battery type, battery array design, and thermal management.

So far the commercially available mass market EV with 800V are all those have stake in Rimac group. The one that build Rimac Nevera 2000hp+ Hyper EV.
Lotus hyper EV also run 800V, again that's hypercar, not for mass market.

Basically Hyundai Group (Hyundai, Kia, Genesis), Porsche Group (Porsche, VW, Audi) are the 2 mass market brands that have access to mature commercially ready 800V technology.

So 800V are still very uncommon. Even we have 800V charger, very few EV can make use of that. But expect more and more to move to 800V in the future.

Basically something like quick charge for phone lah. Waiting for wider adoption and tech improvement.

50k for 1 whole block of battery? My understanding is that most batteries are now modular. Example, Volvo's PHEV, to replace all is about 40+k, but per block/module is about 5k, which i think still kinda reasonable, unless you unfortunate at the max level.

To make it affordable, we need more 3rd party installers in the market. You are right, if you've seen some videos online, the batteries ARE modular. Not so complex. The cost i think will further go down another 20-30% once 3rd party experts are in.

This could be happening sooner than later.
https://www.wapcar.my/news/china%E2%80%99s-...-families-34850

China’s week-long holiday: BEV owners fight over charging ports, no A/C for families

Especially as more people drive EV, when Raya time or long holidays, can't imagine the queue would be at charging stations.

Actually I don't know details. I think 50K for whole block. Being a Merc I'm sure nothing will be reasonable. Unless OEMs are available, which are not at the moment. Dropped the idea already.

As scary as its sound. I see manufacturer start to develop concept pakai buang already. Go see how conti car force this concept. Rarely see 15 years mercedes on the road anymore. People will change into newer merc or opt for cheaper more reliable jap car. Still got alternative right, but imagine if no got alternative. Like all this EV in the market. Lol.

Imagine need to change into newer EV once car become 15 yo. rofl. In the end, manufacturer won.

https://carbuzz.com/news/kia-reveals-surpri...mprove-ev-range

Good pointer by Kia's research

That's why I strongly discourage people from getting any low cost urban EV from China.
In China they are in special sub-A segment category, even some of them have B/C segment physical size. The PRC administration is considering banning them on highway/ring road, as they not only have the range problem the slow acceleration after 60km/h and poor brake (long braking distance) also cause traffic jam and endangers other road users.

Those got into the fist fight are owner of these mini/micro EV, like the some Chery or GWM Black/Good Cat. Their common signature is advertise high 400-500km NEDC range, with not further details, and yet only have small 30-50kWh battery.

The proper cars with similar small battery like the Mini EV or MX-30 only get 200km+ range in WLTP.
The proper car with big 70-80kWh+ battery get 400km WLTP. Which translate to real world test of about 500km range in pure city driving, and about 300km range in pure highway driving.

You see who is making up the number?

Being said that, the high end EV will have less of the problem. Same 300-400km road trip higher/premium end EV need only 1 charge, or do not need charge at all. The urban EV is the one that need 2-3 charges, and fight for the chargers. In 5 years, those premium EV expected to get 500-600km WLTP range.

So the micro/mini EV owners fight for chargers, the premium EV owners enjoying the road trip.
In ICE world -> low power city car get better fuel economy
In EV world -> high power premium EV get more range

Looking at the development, the premium EV will forever get more range than the smaller EV. When the technology matured enough that if urban EV can actually do 400km (not the fake advertisement), the premium EV will be doing 800km, 1000km.

This post has been edited by constant_weight: Apr 10 2022, 12:18 PM

And before anybody start sharing the battery swapping technology. My take is that it's not gonna to work anytime soon. As magical as it sounds, it really doesnt make sense.

1. it is extremely expensive to build a battery swapping station, and it's useful service range is probably 10km radius, anything more than 10km is not practical for owner to use
2. extending from #1, it will take super long to get ROI on swapping station, and slow to build more station, especially so for smaller city and town
3. car owner are offered a battery subscription model. So they can actually buy car without battery, then they subscribe to the battery and pay monthly. During subscription, they can go battery swapping station to swap their battery. But subscribing to this is way more expensive than using petrol
4. There's no guarantee that all stations will work, some break down, then what happen?

It will only be feasible if China manage to unify all battery standard, size, and placement in all EV cars, so it's feasible for them to build battery swapping station as part of their infrastructure. But again, all cars are design and build differently, it's hard to imagine everybody building the battery in the same way. Even within the same company, for different car model, size, body, are they able to ensure their battery size and placement is all standardize? Hard also.

CATL is world's largest battery producer

This post has been edited by Lone Wolf X: Apr 11 2022, 12:26 PM

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Exciting much?

I wont go into EV if there isin't a charging station every 5km in KV and every 50km on highways...

Simple said, current EV is more suitable for short range drive.
If want to go on a long route travel better pick up normal ICE vehicle or Hybrid base.. See those rich people problem in US during festival seasons already knew what will come by.. LOL

There is always the option of charging using normal 3-pin outlet if really have emergency. It might take longer but it's not as bad as everybody think. Maybe 1 hour or 2 hour of changing should get you enough range to next charging station or go home.

I am more worried on the issue of congestion in the charging station when more people adopt EV and not enough charging station to cater. Also with the mentality of Malaysians, we all know people will hog charging stations and abuse them and so on.

I thought I am the only one who think this is not going to work.

There are too many cons that are not possible with today's battery tech. One more con is that a station keeping all the batteries will take up massive cost for the manufacturer. Imagine they need to keep like 100 spare batteries in a swapping station. One battery packs cost like RM10k and 100 x 10k = 1,000k. Also imagine the different type of battery to keep for different brand/model of the car. However, with the advancement of battery tech further, it might eventually work, just not at this moment.

is there a thread here for this particular brand "Appollen EV"?

I don't think so.

Personal take, be weary of any "upcoming" EV until you see real numbers form more mature EV markets.

Sweet deal, get it while the Cash voucher offer last.

Are you booking one?

Unfortunately not looking at purchasing a car at the moment.

I saw one electric car last weekend in PJ when driving on the roads. I think it's BYD if I'm not mistaken. Looks pretty cool.

If it is BYD Atto3, it would be quite easy to spot becauss it is quite popular now...


https://soyacincau.com/2023/04/10/byd-atto-...stone-ev-sales/

1000 delivered in 100 days

Yes, likely that's the one. It looks modern and nice. 1000 delivered in 100 days would be 30 units sold in 1 month. Pretty good I would say.

The vehicle is not exactly cheap, RM150k for standard model and RM168k for top spec model. Looks like more people are beginning to embrace the future.

That is right because none can really sticks to being an ostrich and hide your head beneath the ground and say future is not coming all the time.

I USED TO THINK 150K OR EVEN 168K IS QUITE A LOT OF MONEY to ask for car but then i look at a plate of chicken rice and a pack of nasi lemak or a plate of mee goreng these days and realize what inflation is.

Also, more on BYD....

https://www.theedgemarkets.com/node/663720

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this car shouldn't be allowed to enter highway with 110kmh speed limit.. 101kmh max? what a joke.

Agree. Bigger concern they get complains of brake failures since 2021. Still happening to newer Neta U SUV this year.

It is not about EV or ICE now. It is please ensure the basic safety function is reliable.

Mandarin news unfortunately, can use Google/ChatGPT translate.

https://zhuanlan.zhihu.com/p/599395212

https://news.yiche.com/hao/wenzhang/64198458/

https://auto.sina.cn/zz/hy/2021-10-22/detai...tml?vt=4&pos=25

This post has been edited by constant_weight: May 5 2023, 08:54 AM

2 air bags only you know... if faster , cannot imagine how safe it wil be for the driver and front passenger already.

SOME currently sold in Malaysia ICE cars are still equipped with only 2 air bags but don't curb speed, and they are quite popular still. So this is an alternative for that car segment's buyers.

This post has been edited by EnergyAnalyst: May 5 2023, 11:27 PM

🆗

Ready or not , more to come

https://www.carlist.my/news/confirmed-toyot...23-92996/92996/


https://vulcanpost.com/785425/smart-1-compa...icles-malaysia/


https://www.dsf.my/2022/09/volkswagen-id-4-...ia-from-rm228k/

Most unsure about ID 4 though

This post has been edited by EnergyAnalyst: May 7 2023, 10:40 AM

yesterday(sunday - 07/05/2023) i go to Maeps Motorshow.

The best EV rear seat will go to ORA Good Cat from GWM and the best ergonomic goes to KIA EV6..

ORA rear seat damn comfortable however i'm not sure how you will feel on long journey since it's quite soft.

gov also subsidy electric right? in the end will electric also goes up?

For the current government , you only need to worry if....you are T20

https://www.theedgemarkets.com/node/657124

Good input. Thanks for sharing

It is undeniable the EV is future trend of automotive industry. The current concern mostly because of charging infra and range problem but these can be solved in near future.

Those who concern of charging infra, mind to ask where are the places the TNB not reachable? If you talk about jungle then don't buy it if you live long in jungle. As long as got 3 pin plug we can use it to charge the EV car, just matter of how long it takes. 1hr can give 3kwh, yes it will take about 24 hours to get about 70kwh but at least it still can charge. If we install 7.6kwh charger at home it will shorten by half.

Concern about range then we have to think about the EV battery technology. In the past there is only lithium available but battery tech move rapidly. There are many innovation on battery with many variants such as lithium, LFP, LMFP, sodium, semi-solid state and in the future solid-state battery. For ICE people talk about engine tech but in EV people concern about the battery tech.

EV will not come.

Miti is expecting 4000 charging points this year. Imaging 5 years time it will be at least over 20k charging points or maybe even surpass 30k points. This is for public and not include private charging point for household. I predict most if not all petrol stations will ready with charging port in future.

Many people keep complaining 400km range is too low should have at least 500km or even 700km range. I guess this might achievable in future. But for now 400km WLTP is reasonable. How many people really travel 150km per day, probably less than 10%.

Some concern KL bad traffic and cause more energy loss if driving EV. The concept of EV is almost upside down compare to ICE. EV give more range in city traffic and less range in highway cruise. In bad traffic the energy loss more in ICE and EV is less. ICE in bad traffic the engine is keep running to pull the fans belt to provide electricity to power electronic and also aircond.

2.0L idle for 1 hour is about 0.16 gallon (0.6L) without aircond. Assuming with aircond is 0.20 gallon per hour or 0.75L, it will be RM1.54 per hour stuck in traffic.

https://www.energy.gov/eere/vehicles/fact-8...diesel-vehicles

While in EV the most consuming energy is aircond during idle or bad traffic. Imagine household non-inverted 1hp aircond is almost 1kwh, but car cabin is much smaller. Even if include all electronic stuffs and makes it at 1kwh during idle or bad traffic, it is only RM 0.571 per hour. So driving in City and bad traffic the EV is much saver than petrol even though Malaysia petrol is cheap.

This post has been edited by autodriver: May 8 2023, 10:36 AM

EV with 300 ~ 500km range is extremely suitable to drive here.

Tons of EV owner shared how far they got and etc, so far it's extremely good.

i wonder how many people drive more than 800km 1 way to blik kampung.

since our interstate travel usually is less than 500km, it's extremely suitable here.

You use 90% battery one way, let it charge 1 or 2 night using 3 pin point at kampung, enough to go back.

EV also extremely suitable to drive daily especially at Klang Valley since there is traffic jem everywhere.


Also we don't need to worry about snow/cold temperature which degrade battery life faster.


IF Neta EV quality improved, EV will be getting more and more popular here in Malaysia.


IF i can afford 1 by cash, i will take it in a heartbeat.

This post has been edited by babisotong: May 8 2023, 11:41 AM

This is provided the advertised range is achievable in real world, that is not NEDC/CLTC range. We need to adopt WLTP standard range that is closest to real world practical usage.

Our government should pass a rule that all vehicle be it EV range or ICE fuel economy to be based on WLTP. Car dealer, marketing PR, car reviewers need to adhere to the regulation.

NEDC range is bloated, need to reduce at least 20% to be comparable to WLTP.
Worst case is sometimes review articles quote CLTC range, especially the Wxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxcar that has no shame of copying other country works without providing credits.
That is misleading some readers (if not most) that are not aware of different testing standards, they only see the number, put standard in quote also they don't know what is that.

This post has been edited by constant_weight: May 8 2023, 04:29 PM

https://www.theedgemarkets.com/node/665911

1.98% Interest rate for EV purchase!

This post has been edited by EnergyAnalyst: May 8 2023, 06:43 PM

https://www.carlist.my/news/perodua-expects...vs-94733/94733/

Yes that's the main reason. Fuel is damn expensive at Thailand until they need to buy EV to counter the fuel price. Here, it just too cheap plus subsidy

Read 1 post, he need to drive 90-100kmh to get that specified range. Else it drop the range until get an anxiety. So the EV still ok for city drive but can give more anxiety for long distance

The ball on subsidy targeted removal or reduction is already rolling...

https://www.carlist.my/news/targeted-fuel-s...ed-94079/94079/

I am in Energy Business so I should know.

But government of the day introduce carrot and stick so you will just need to find the carrots since it is year of rabbit.

Before the stick hit you... HARD.

A lot of big businesses already got hit by the big stick some January this year.

Below is just some of the affected industries

https://themalaysianreserve.com/2022/12/20/...riff-surcharge/

https://www.theedgemarkets.com/node/649490

https://www.thesundaily.my/business/misif-a...sion-EL10397074


https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2022...-business-group


Also the increase in income tax rate for T20 group [by 0.5 to two percentage points for the income tax bracket of RM100,000 to RM1 million for about 150,000 Malaysian folks] is a taletell sign for more to come.


https://www.theedgemarkets.com/node/656686

East Malaysia only particularly challenging. But then again if Indonesia can do it, we must not say nay

Here is an additional thought for you....

https://wattlogic.com/blog/ev-charging-station-franchise/

Instead of petrol station franchise....

Presenting EV charging franchise

Yet many perceived hurdles will remain hurdles perceived.

To draw a parallel, many home dwellers has installed solar panel on their roof tops, and ended up paying much lesser bill (in some cases even zero bill) but many others on the other hand are still seceptical , saying it is upfront cost intensive, solar system will be less efficient in harvesting overtime, wait for technology to be more efficient first lah blah blah blah.

Not knowing or being sceptical about the incentives and such financing scheme offered even by TNB subsidiary company and not taking advantage of it. Wait and wait and wait.

Meanwhile complain about this and that, e.g. why only the rich get richer, complain about why electricity bill has gone up (after smart meters replacement rolled out) , complain about all these EVs are fancy flashy things only meant for the privileged yada yada yada.

This post has been edited by EnergyAnalyst: May 9 2023, 03:47 PM

most links are from 2022 and it did not happen due to Gomen continue to give electric subsidies. https://www.thesundaily.my/local/electricit...2023-KE10729993

then to cut off fuel subsidy, doubt they even got the ball to do it, considering the PRN this year and not so fundamentally strong PMX gomen (a mix up combination). They had numerous Sunday meeting to discuss the petrol subsidy but as usual PMX dont have ball to pull it out.

I personally prefer Gomen don't spend more on subsidy for petrol, its kinda waste for gomen fund, in the North border, thousand of Thai registered cars put our 95. I did take pictures and report online + email to KPDNKK, as usual, but no action. If the Petrol price is less subsidy, sure plenty more will convert to riding public transport for work

The links yes are 2022 but it already commences 2023 as for as electricity is concerned

Subsidy remains only for domestic and low voltage users + agricultural , but the rest have experienced massive hike.

In case you have not noticed , your water bills have experienced hike too.

Petrol and diesel Ron 95 is a bit more delicate matters since abang grab , food panda etc all depends on cheap fuel. The deferment is actually not a matter of balls but a matter of how, like you say, how to curb the leakages.

If you give out a subsidy card, most subsidy recipients will probably sell it or rent it out. Remember subsidized diesels for Fisher man in Malaysia...

How to control? By NRIC? By LHDN data (many income underreporting and no reporting), by petrol station control ? (Can't even control foreign owned cars effectively )

I too think it is counter productive. Perhaps the solution is to incentivise even more on low cost EV, motorbikes? Incentivise company who chooses to use commercial EV more (ask DHL, they have done it)....

This post has been edited by EnergyAnalyst: May 9 2023, 03:21 PM

Charging points are the easy part. The harder part will be making our power grid support the load.

Even Singapore – small country, world-class city planning, lots of money, highly qualified politicians – has problems now where their fast chargers have to downclock to slow charging speeds during peak periods. The issue has become a running joke among EV community social media over there.

Imagine here, during festive season on NS highway. Look at the number of cars lining up at the petrol stations. Even if you divide that number by 4 and ensure enough charging points. If all those charging points used at the same time and fast charging, almost guaranteed nationwide blackout. Charging infra is more than simply building charging stations.

That’s why I think the recent Perodua estimate of 2030 is fairly realistic. If you buy a car now, make it a hybrid and plan to keep it for 5-6 yrs, and then look at the market again.

Removal of fuel subsidy won’t happen anytime soon. Government won’t dare. They remove fuel subsidy, it won’t just be your pump minyak price increase. Everything will become more expensive. Food, medication, services, etc. Political suicide for any government in power in this country. They must improve economy gradually and remove subsidy at the same rate, like 5% each time. Remove 20% in one go and confirm people riot.

This post has been edited by dev/numb: May 9 2023, 04:28 PM

https://themalaysianreserve.com/2023/05/08/...ecast-for-fy24/


What say you now, the perpetual sceptic and reality denial propagators?

My question to you sir:

1. What makes you think our power grid cannot support the load?
Singapore is energy importer, Malaysia is actually exporter of energy

https://www.theedgemarkets.com/node/666169

2. Charging stations and EV growth will grow in tandem, got chicken got egg, simple logic , what makes you think there could be shortage of EV chargers issues?

You grow too fast chargers, you will know what will happen?

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/202...or-public-plugs

3. Toyota ex chairman has been wrong with EV predictions until recent new CEO have admitted they have underestimated EV popularity, what makes you think Perodua is a better predictor of future.

I recall last year January 2022 Perodua is expecting only 5% of new cars sold in 2030 to be full EVs.

https://www.wapcar.my/news/ev-sales-in-mala...-analysts-59751

Many expected 2023 will have new EV below 4,500 as per above report
But if you do the simple math, in Malaysia BYD aims to get 3000 EV on the road with 1000 already achieved and booked, and my question to you is who is right, and who is wrong? You trust a guy that have no EV selling or trust a guy who has been selling EV in this sort of EV sales number prediction?


https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/sime...c-vehicle-sales

4. Why do you have extremist mindset? Who the hell is talking about complete removal of subsidy , we are talking about targetted subsidy reduction or removal and if you are still sceptical, here is another prediction for you.

https://themalaysianreserve.com/2023/04/12/...-early-as-june/

Haven't you noticed the consistent theme ? Big corporations and rich fellow is being targetted and the damn thing is IT HAS already happened

This post has been edited by EnergyAnalyst: May 10 2023, 09:34 AM

The majority mindset is only seeing problem and enlarge it instead of taking it as an opportunity. In Malaysia still many landed house which are extremely suitable to install solar panel. Some will say Malaysia although got hot days but also many raining days. There are getting more and more residents in European and US are installing solar panel and these countries are 4 seasons which has few sunny days like Malaysia. So if these 4 season countries getting more solar panel why not Malaysia. Installing solar panel in Malaysia can apply subsidy from TNB. Basically we only need to pay low electricity bill for household plus charging for EV car.

No doubt many people wanted a range of 600km per charge but in reality how many of us really go pump petrol after travel of 500km. I strongly believe less than 10% people really need travel 500km in short time (1 or 2 days driving range). If in city or town drive 1 day travel most likely 100km or below and 1 full charge will at least last 3 days (min 60kwh battery size). If battery drop half after 2 days just charge it at night. Example like Telsa charge cycley is 1500 times. Even if we charge every 2 days the battery expect to last for 8 years. How many of us really charge every 2 days once? We are most likely need charge after 3 or 4 days usage for daily town drive.

the money power is different in Europe/US vs here. the solar panel parts and accessories are same prices i believe, so for them, they will find it affordable to purchase the solar. here it just too d expansive.

https://www.imoney.my/articles/solar-panels-cost

Costs ranging from between RM16,000 to RM23,000 for a basic system of 3kW.

The average salary in Malaysia is RM79,000 , so it will be 20% to 29% of an average Malaysian annual pay

https://worldsalaries.com/average-salary-in-malaysia/

Average annual pay for an American in the United States is $58,563 a year.

https://www.ziprecruiter.com/Salaries/Ameri....16%20an%20hour.

Average cost of solar panels USD 16,000 in USA

https://www.forbes.com/home-improvement/sol...f-solar-panels/

28% of theirs

Lebih kurang sama je , bukan?

This post has been edited by EnergyAnalyst: May 10 2023, 10:30 AM