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post May 10 2023, 08:41 AM

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https://themalaysianreserve.com/2023/05/08/...ecast-for-fy24/
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Monday, May 8th, 2023 at Markets | News | Wheels

Affin Hwang Investment Bank Bhd (AHIB) has released a report today, it said Bermaz’s FY23E earnings is expected to be at record levels on strong sales volume driven during the tax exemption period.

In the report, AHIB said it was positive on Bermaz’s strategy to tie up with a pure China electric vehicle (EV) player as their main EV line-up.

“Driven by a wide price range of China EV models, we think there is scope for [Bermaz Auto] to bring in affordable EV models that can cater to the low to mid-income group and more importantly become a volume driver for their EV segment.

“Besides, [Bermaz Auto] has introduced solid initiatives to strengthen their EV transition with investment worth RM3m, to date. Understandably, Mazda’s EV footprint is small while its roadmap is slow, which could adversely impact [Bermaz Auto]’s prospects as Mazda sales still accounts for 90% of revenue,” it said.

The report noted that after Bermaz Auto CEO visited an EV conference in China, he was keenly aware of the rapid EV growth in China with plenty of homegrown EV brands that have emerged and overtaken foreign players in EV sales volume for 2022 by more than 100% yoy growth.

“Currently, Bauto is engaging with several China EV players for EV distribution rights in Malaysia. We understand that Bauto has interest in bringing in a pure EV player like Xpeng, Dongfeng or Geely as their main EV line-up. Any successful tie up with the larger Chinese EV players would be a plus,” it said....


What say you now, the perpetual sceptic and reality denial propagators?
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post May 10 2023, 09:08 AM

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QUOTE(dev/numb @ May 9 2023, 04:12 PM)
Charging points are the easy part. The harder part will be making our power grid support the load.

Even Singapore – small country, world-class city planning, lots of money, highly qualified politicians – has problems now where their fast chargers have to downclock to slow charging speeds during peak periods. The issue has become a running joke among EV community social media over there.

Imagine here, during festive season on NS highway. Look at the number of cars lining up at the petrol stations. Even if you divide that number by 4 and ensure enough charging points. If all those charging points used at the same time and fast charging, almost guaranteed nationwide blackout. Charging infra is more than simply building charging stations.

That’s why I think the recent Perodua estimate of 2030 is fairly realistic. If you buy a car now, make it a hybrid and plan to keep it for 5-6 yrs, and then look at the market again.

Removal of fuel subsidy won’t happen anytime soon. Government won’t dare. They remove fuel subsidy, it won’t just be your pump minyak price increase. Everything will become more expensive. Food, medication, services, etc. Political suicide for any government in power in this country. They must improve economy gradually and remove subsidy at the same rate, like 5% each time. Remove 20% in one go and confirm people riot.
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My question to you sir:

1. What makes you think our power grid cannot support the load?
Singapore is energy importer, Malaysia is actually exporter of energy

https://www.theedgemarkets.com/node/666169

2. Charging stations and EV growth will grow in tandem, got chicken got egg, simple logic , what makes you think there could be shortage of EV chargers issues?

You grow too fast chargers, you will know what will happen?

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/202...or-public-plugs

3. Toyota ex chairman has been wrong with EV predictions until recent new CEO have admitted they have underestimated EV popularity, what makes you think Perodua is a better predictor of future.

I recall last year January 2022 Perodua is expecting only 5% of new cars sold in 2030 to be full EVs.

https://www.wapcar.my/news/ev-sales-in-mala...-analysts-59751

Many expected 2023 will have new EV below 4,500 as per above report
But if you do the simple math, in Malaysia BYD aims to get 3000 EV on the road with 1000 already achieved and booked, and my question to you is who is right, and who is wrong? You trust a guy that have no EV selling or trust a guy who has been selling EV in this sort of EV sales number prediction?


https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/sime...c-vehicle-sales

4. Why do you have extremist mindset? Who the hell is talking about complete removal of subsidy , we are talking about targetted subsidy reduction or removal and if you are still sceptical, here is another prediction for you.

https://themalaysianreserve.com/2023/04/12/...-early-as-june/

Haven't you noticed the consistent theme ? Big corporations and rich fellow is being targetted and the damn thing is IT HAS already happened

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post May 10 2023, 10:27 AM

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QUOTE(ayamxxx @ May 10 2023, 09:43 AM)
the money power is different in Europe/US vs here. the solar panel parts and accessories are same prices i believe, so for them, they will find it affordable to purchase the solar. here it just too d expansive.
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https://www.imoney.my/articles/solar-panels-cost

Costs ranging from between RM16,000 to RM23,000 for a basic system of 3kW.

The average salary in Malaysia is RM79,000 , so it will be 20% to 29% of an average Malaysian annual pay

https://worldsalaries.com/average-salary-in-malaysia/

Average annual pay for an American in the United States is $58,563 a year.

https://www.ziprecruiter.com/Salaries/Ameri....16%20an%20hour.

Average cost of solar panels USD 16,000 in USA

https://www.forbes.com/home-improvement/sol...f-solar-panels/

28% of theirs

Lebih kurang sama je , bukan?

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post May 10 2023, 10:47 AM

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QUOTE(autodriver @ May 10 2023, 09:39 AM)
The majority mindset is only seeing problem and enlarge it instead of taking it as an opportunity. In Malaysia still many landed house which are extremely suitable to install solar panel. Some will say Malaysia although got hot days but also many raining days. There are getting more and more residents in European and US are installing solar panel and these countries are 4 seasons which has few sunny days like Malaysia. So if these 4 season countries getting more solar panel why not Malaysia. Installing solar panel in Malaysia can apply subsidy from TNB. Basically we only need to pay low electricity bill for household plus charging for EV car.

No doubt many people wanted a range of 600km per charge but in reality how many of us really go pump petrol after travel of 500km. I strongly believe less than 10% people really need travel 500km in short time (1 or 2 days driving range). If in city or town drive 1 day travel most likely 100km or below and 1 full charge will at least last 3 days (min 60kwh battery size). If battery drop half after 2 days just charge it at night. Example like Telsa charge cycley is 1500 times. Even if we charge every 2 days the battery expect to last for 8 years. How many of us really charge every 2 days once? We are most likely need charge after 3 or 4 days usage for daily town drive.
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The urban people do urban talk and talk from their frame of mind, many urban dwellers stayed in high rises, so change is the much harder for High rises dwellers.

Worst if their residence is still by JMB and not management corporation.

But you are right.

70% of residential properties are landed, we are taking about 70% of 5.8 millions residential properties

A whopping 4 millions !

Numbers from 2020 article :

https://www.propertyguru.com.my/property-gu...-malaysia-38675

As for the charging habits and range requirements, you know it , I know it, buy still many illogically deny it!

They must be coming from hurtful and hateful places it the only way I can explain it.

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...https://themalaysianreserve.com/2022/11/29/investment-into-evs-likely-to-surge-in-coming-years/

So said the professors



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post May 10 2023, 05:12 PM

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QUOTE(babisotong @ May 10 2023, 03:11 PM)
the discussion kinda going to weird way haha.. Either way if i can afford 1, i will buy 1 in a heartbeat. muahaha
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Good way to sum it up
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post May 13 2023, 08:26 AM

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https://soyacincau.com/2023/05/12/ikea-mala...argers-by-2025/

Good work there IKEA
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post May 16 2023, 08:51 AM

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A worried report from Allianz Trade Europe.

https://www.allianz-trade.com/en_global/new...c-vehicles.html

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Full report can be downloaded for your reading pleasure

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post May 17 2023, 09:07 AM

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https://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/...s-in-the-works/
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post May 17 2023, 09:31 AM

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QUOTE(ngaisteve2 @ May 17 2023, 09:03 AM)
Does anyone know the cost of the replacement battery for Neta V after eight-year, 180,000-km warranty?
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I think to expect RM30k therabout (today's Malaysian ringgit value) will be prudent.

But EV battery is meant to live on 15 to 20 years, and even have second lives

Why worry? be happy biggrin.gif ,I bet in about 15 to 20 years, things will change better, and here is a toast to better tomorrows cheers.gif tongue.gif

https://blog.evbox.com/uk-en/ev-battery-longevity cheers.gif
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post May 17 2023, 10:33 PM

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https://soyacincau.com/2023/05/17/minister-...-number-plates/

Special number plates for EVs, a good perk!
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post May 18 2023, 07:37 PM

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QUOTE(knwong @ May 18 2023, 08:51 AM)
It could be a good or bad thing.

Good cos you stand out from the crowd...the rest will be wow at your toy

Bad cos you may get unwanted ill intention from bad people, knowing you are rich...
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I just laud the government in coming out with such Malaysian specific incentives, it cost them nothing, and already potentially make EV owners feel a little bit more special.

Some EVs are cheap, and can hardly be considered "toy" of the rich, so a special plate series may just be the thing that encourage them

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QUOTE(basilpaschal @ May 18 2023, 09:08 AM)
RANGE ANXIETY
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QUOTE(812799 @ May 18 2023, 09:11 AM)
range anxiety exists due to lack of Charging Stations, which i agree, but somehow i believe it's more for domestic city driving instead the purpose of a full haul outstation driving, oh well 2 sides of a coin
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QUOTE(ayamxxx @ May 18 2023, 05:14 PM)
Lack of station and it take hours for fully charged. Wonder if e everyone with EV, need to line up somemore
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2025 is just 2 years away, expect said we are on the right track

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QUOTE(eyerule @ May 19 2023, 09:14 AM)
the planning is also minimal la. especially in the city and mostly within your routinely travelled routes it's not so much of an issue, i'm sure you as an owner would know. the planning is mostly long distance travel.

it's usually those that don't own an EV and have no idea where and what chargers are around that have the range anxiety
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Precisely, those that have it will realize it is probably not that big a fuss. But the fear is real, like all fears, sometimes beyond reasons and logics, we are human

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QUOTE(ayamxxx @ May 19 2023, 09:19 AM)
Got one g30 530e owner asking his battery degrading too much heading 5th year. From purely battery driven up to 50km when brand new to 15km on 5th year. How Tesla able to make theirs longer life ?
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G30 530e PHEV battery is tiny i.e. 9.2 kWh lithium-ion battery pack. Being small, it is a bit more delicate to take care of. Size does matter, read this up and soak it in

https://hal.science/hal-02143273/document

Tesla? how did they do it?

https://www.geotab.com/blog/ev-battery-health/

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Let’s compare a vehicle with a liquid cooling system to one with a passive air cooling system: the 2015 Tesla Model S and the 2015 Nissan Leaf, respectively. The Leaf has an average degradation rate of 4.2%, while the Model S is 2.3%. Good thermal management means better protection against degradation.



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QUOTE(marcus_bread @ May 19 2023, 08:59 AM)
there study conducted in Malaysia and it show that Hybrid is the most suitable at the moment in Malaysia.
that shd tell all
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that moment will pass quite quickly though or hasten its pace...

https://electrek.co/2022/09/08/the-time-for...a-honda-nissan/
https://thedriven.io/2023/01/30/toyota-face...ctric-vehicles/
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Another ball has been pushed to roll

https://www.carlist.my/news/targeted-fuel-s...24-94888/94888/
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https://www.wapcar.my/news/not-sure-if-ev-i...its-fleet-67963

Try them, why not?
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post May 20 2023, 10:24 AM

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QUOTE(812799 @ May 20 2023, 09:28 AM)
this is a good idea, then assume one have their own charger at home ....
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Level 1 charging can be done via a standard household electrical outlet in your home and would take around 8 to 20 hours to reach a full charge depending on your vehicle's battery size.

So if you are staying at a landed home, why not? just ask how long it will charge level one, and make sure they provide a level 1 charger
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QUOTE(eyerule @ May 19 2023, 10:33 PM)
most 530e owners i know hardly or don't charge the battery. which kills it faster
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And that is so so true. and it is already happened since PHEVs were the thing and honestly it is so so not making sense

https://www.motorbiscuit.com/study-says-peo...res-why-should/
https://cleantechnica.com/2020/09/18/shocki...t-plug-them-in/
https://cleantechnica.com/2020/06/10/the-ph...eds-to-end-now/

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The UK stopped tax incentives on PHEVs citing: “The evidence was very clear: owners of plug-in hybrids were not plugging them in, negating the environmental benefits and undermining the incentives.”

“Several factors play a role in drivers’ decision to plug-in their PHEV or not, including vehicle characteristics and the availability and cost of charging at various locations,” a study of California PHEV owners states. “Higher home electricity prices, lower electric driving range, lower electric motor power to vehicle weight ratios, lower potential cost savings from charging, and living in an apartment or condo, among other factors are related to not plugging in a PHEV.”



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