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twinpower
post Sep 24 2007, 12:46 AM

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bro , i think u must post out u supplier details here.dun stupid protect him again!!! .if not u hv prepare the money 10k refund to u buyer!


pls said the true here .buyer will gv u the chance.

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QUOTE(b00n @ Sep 23 2007, 03:47 AM)
Mind you, it's for the benefit of everyone and the responsibility of a seller.
What if the supplier ran away?....than what is the next course of actions?
or for instance, if one is to know that the supplier is cheating...than what?
Report police and wait for the supplier to refund?
The seller is the one dealing with the buyer and not the buyer dealing with the supplier.

You're thinking from the seller's POV and disregard the buyers out there.

My point is still valid because eventually it's still the seller's fault. It's a mistake to admit so when buyer requested for refunds they are entitled it. So seller has to own it and no choice he has to turn to other sources for lending of money.
Even in real business situation you can't brush off by implying that you are doing your best in asking "on-behalf" of the buyer. You still have to pay back first than think of another way to cover your losses.
This is business ethics that should be cultivated since young.

Like I said previously, he did good by following up closely and always update; but that's not enough. Ppl's money are still at stake.
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Well, did i mention that i standing in seller's side? No? Yes?

Ask everyone around here. Did I try to make the situation worse for buyer or seller? I just thinking a logic and safe way to settle this matter.

Speaking of lending money, I don't think michael's buyer want to rush/push TS to lend money from others. It's 10k and I don't think any parents here could afford such. So the other way around is loan shark or so called "legal money lender" and ended up his stories of getting loan from those company appeared in newspaper.

There's sometimes when a dispute need to rush. Etc. 1 to 1 deal. This kind of deal can be rushed since mostly the amount will be around 1k.

For michael. RM5 per day refund is not logic. Better drag your supplier out at one day and have a meeting with the buyer also. I'm sure the case can closed faster than ever. What I most suspect here is where did the money you had gave to supplier to? Gamble?
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post Sep 24 2007, 04:56 AM

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Sorry for the late reply.

I really hope everyone here can give me some time to settle the refund thing since my supplier promised 5 days to proceed it. I have called him and asked him to settle this problem asap already. He also knew about this dispute case here.

If after 5 days my supplier still cant manage to do the full refund, I will reveal his identity here, is that ok? I already told him about this already.

I am not trying to protect him for not reveal the supplier identity now. But since he have promised to full refund the payment, then just wait for the time to come. I also dont have so large capital to refund to all the buyer in once.

For those buyer that pm me to refund to them individually, I hope you all can understand the situation. It is not fair to others if I just refund to u. Everyone also need the refund, why dont just wait until the full refund received by me from the supplier then refund to every buyer in the pending list?
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post Sep 24 2007, 06:00 AM

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J-slade, how many days left right now?
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post Sep 24 2007, 08:14 AM

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your supplier sucks, dude! dont have responsibility.. always make us wait for nothing.. last day he also promised to deliver those cpu.. but then what happend? nothing!

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post Sep 24 2007, 09:44 AM

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Just my opinion that the seller should always takes responsibility. Own up the problem first.
Look at how many cases in dispute corner related to this type.
IMHO, I'll just create a bulk trading business then. Anything wrong with the stocks, delay, RMA or anything....I'll just say "Pls understand, I'm just the middle person....I'm helping and doing my best to rush the supplier."
If it's a warranty claim or whatever still deserve to delay....but if the product is meant for a certain projects whereby one needs the things in a specific time than the buyer is in "deep shit". Either the refund so the buyer can get the replacement from elsewhere or seller could go the extra mile and look for the item elsewhere and resell the item once he got the original stocks from the supplier.
That's what I would call a good and responsible seller.
There's always risks involved in doing business.

Pls also understand that I'm not condemning anyone; but imagine yourself caught in the situation.... *sigh*
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post Sep 24 2007, 12:09 PM

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QUOTE(jy14 @ Sep 23 2007, 02:37 AM)
Just for u guys wan info:

If i'm not mistaken, michealelsie's "supplier" was hoping for Intel's big sale or promotion coming up soon. This is for those Intel Premier Partners, where, they get special discounted price for certain items. THerefore, during such promo, the E6750 can get USD20-30 discounts per unit for these partners. So, currently as the promo has not materialized, the "Supplier" will not be able to give it at that price.

In my opinion, both "supplier" and michealelsie has got fault. But, a proper solution will be needed soon as it involves a large sum of money.
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i've been reading this thread since the first day, and some of your losuy comments and ASSUMPTIONS are actually wrong

jy14, not to offend you in any ways, just to inform you - now almost everyone / suppliers can get lower than market price[lyp price] from local distributors without any hassle, i dare to say that rm555 is way out of the price distributors gets, i wont give the correct amount they get here, but i know [thats all i can say]

for the rest of you, what i would like to say is that , pressuring him will be like killing him directly....whether the delay is from the same supplier or not - I DONT KNOW, but what i can say is give micheal some time to settle the amount 10k++

and J-slade , no point threat him with those words such as will visit you and so forth

just to make things clear
micheal is my fren since MAY, and i'm not his distributors in any of the products he sells

well, thats all i can say - this will be my last post here

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Nahh, for this moment, that's not the main important thing to be done, since he did come here explain and answers all questions afterall.
What's important now is for him to complete the transaction in the given 3 days period. [Or is it 5 days?]

However, i do agree with your point on revealing the supplier's name.Micheal, this is the best thing you could do for your own sake in this short moment. smile.gif
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seems like buayas are waiting ...... happy waiting

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post Sep 24 2007, 12:39 PM

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give us the DATE and time!!!!!!!!!!!!!
hell i dont know ur 5days from which date... ?????????
so give us the EXACT DATE AND TIME ..

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post Sep 24 2007, 01:52 PM

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QUOTE(expantyhoesthief @ Sep 24 2007, 12:09 PM)
and J-slade , no point threat him with those words such as will visit you and so forth

just to make things clear
micheal is my fren since MAY, and i'm not his distributors in any of the products he sells
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If he's not your friend and you're in TS shoes, would you bug the guy for a refund?.......
I know I most probably will if I'm in dire need for the refund to get myself a replacement.

I think my previous posts explained my views on responsibility of seller.

Unless you can confirmed that he doesn't earn from this bulk trade and are just helping others and himself to get cheaper by buying in bulk.
If not, he is still responsible. Sorry, that's my personal view on responsibility.

Again, some didn't bug him and let him deal with the problem and he would have to say thanks to those.
But obviously those that bugged him had their own reasons.

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Like I said before, by not revealing your supplier's name, it only shows that you have something to hide. So, when you say this and that about your supplier, nobody knows whether it's real or not. For all that matters, said supplier might not even exist.

You keep on begging for people to give you time. Well, so does most problematic cases around here where eventually the seller went MIA. Yeah, sure that this did not start out as a planned conjob. But when things get more and more out of hand, eventually the seller go into hiding.

If you are really trying to be responsible about this, do something right that make people trust that you will repay them. You already screw up. Don't make things worst by screwing up even more.
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If after 5 days my supplier still cant manage to do the full refund, I will reveal his identity here, is that ok? I already told him about this already.




michealelsie,

What this suppose to mean? We will NOT getting our money/refund????? Worst case senario if he/supplier did not refund within this 5 fcuk(ink) working days you reveal his ID and then WHAT? We will wait the money drop from the sky? Why dont you borrow money from frens, family's & relatives to settle down our money and you can get your money later from him/supplier from whatever million year working day ahead!.


I will make a report to MOD to delete all your bulk/sale tread if i dont see any refund until this FRIDAY (28 Sept 07) the day fifth of that damn fcukINK 5 working days. I also hope you like this logos below:

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Hmm, interesting...2nd case.
The first one, refund under progress, the second one, just started pushing for a refund. I wonder when the 3rd is coming, or is this end of the story. Few dog fought for a piece of meat, 2 got injured and leaves the fight and the last one standing wins the meat.

Michael, dun be ur supplier's puppet there. If he could not deliver as he promised, then just f*ck him off. Keep your buyers happy rather than keep your stupid supplier happy.

Sometimes i just wonder, is it that you guys (refering to the other fella too) find it too hard to lose your supplier which also promises potential income that you keep on protecting him eventhough you're risking your own reputation?

Disclosing ur supplier will not help the refund, just continue pushing him for a full refund or lodge a police report against your supplier. U must have some sort of a proof that u placed an order worth that much to him.

Btw richboyz, whos the guy in the pic there? Pardon me for the noob question.

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post Sep 24 2007, 03:15 PM

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He is just a kid but I would say he's quite responsible one by looking at the responses. But it's just that he's not handling the problem well.
He pushes the supplier, correct in his sense; but he to was being pushed by the buyers. See the relationship?...i.e. maybe the supplier is pushing the distributor instead...
So what?....later the supplier fed-up and say go deal with the distributor. See the co-relations. (p/s: I'm just giving some examples on what I wanted to portray on responsibility)
Disclosing of supplier's name is good in the sense that a lot of others would be wary when dealing with the supplier. But still it doesn't solve the problem...right?
The deal is between the buyers here and the seller. A totally different incident from the deal of the seller with the supplier. Like, the example I've given; if the supplier had dispute with the distributor, and the distributor with the manufacturer......wow....just passes all the complaints up would solve the case?....bravo!
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dude.. also i have spoken to this guy again.. he is genuine.
i hope u all trust that he is really trying to help

also note.. i find a lot of ppl should realise.. this is the risk of a bulk.
when ure getting cheaper than the market price it happens..

already 3 reputable responsible traders are being disputed in the bulk.
mainly ppl dont realise the risk of bulk.

anyways the progress he is making currently is shows its being resolved.
no need for a dispute tag as he is not doing anything but studying/sleeping/calling his supplier and replying here
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Btw richboyz, whos the guy in the pic there? Pardon me for the noob question.
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Hahahaha that KARAM SINGH WALIA, he only report "Pencemaran Alam Sekitar"....... not this kind of case....

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QUOTE(@meno @ Sep 24 2007, 03:07 PM)
Hmm, interesting...2nd case.
The first one, refund under progress, the second one, just started pushing for a refund. I wonder when the 3rd is coming, or is this end of the story. Few dog fought for a piece of meat, 2 got injured and leaves the fight and the last one standing wins the meat.

Michael, dun be ur supplier's puppet there. If he could not deliver as he promised, then just f*ck him off. Keep your buyers happy rather than keep your stupid supplier happy.

Sometimes i just wonder, is it that you guys (refering to the other fella too) find it too hard to lose your supplier which also promises potential income that you keep on protecting him eventhough you're risking your own reputation?

Disclosing ur supplier will not help the refund, just continue pushing him for a full refund or lodge a police report against your supplier. U must have some sort of a proof that u placed an order worth that much to him.

Btw richboyz, whos the guy in the pic there? Pardon me for the noob question.
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memo,


i think u know supplier identity in this bulk order . maybe u can do something to all vitcims here .jz my opinion here.


expantyhoesthief,


just to make things clear
micheal is my fren since MAY, and i'm not his distributors in any of the products he sells

well, thats all i can say - this will be my last post here


hehe, we didnt say u r the supplier micheal .but u know who is the supplier right ? . perhaps u Bulk delay cases aslo.
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hahahaha....your supplier can trust or not my dear.
last time say 20th can get proc.
now say need 5days to get the refund.

haha i hope this time is true.
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Well, how bout wait for what michael has suggested, 5 days and if not, he can reveal the supplier identity and make a police report + edisi siasat or whatever karpal, karam ship....

Learn your lesson. Take the risk while dealing virtually.

That's the reason why all my hardwares part are mostly bought direct from shop rather than wait my ass till burned out. Hope this will not offend those bulker, but the facts is there. A risk.
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QUOTE(twinpower @ Sep 24 2007, 03:50 PM)
@meno,
i think u know  supplier identity  in this bulk order . maybe u can do something to all vitcims here .jz my opinion here.
expantyhoesthief,
just to make things clear
micheal is my fren since MAY, and i'm not his distributors in any of the products he sells

well, thats all i can say - this will be my last post here


hehe, we didnt say u r the supplier micheal .but u know who is the supplier right ? . perhaps u Bulk delay cases aslo.
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Twinpower,
Sorry but i do not know the supplier identity, how i wished i know him. I will kick the fella in the balls.
I've dealt with this supplier, but through someone else, not directly.
And he gave me similiar problems.


Btw, the part i highlighted in red.
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QUOTE(michealelsie @ Sep 24 2007, 04:56 AM)
Sorry for the late reply.

I really hope everyone here can give me some time to settle the refund thing since my supplier promised 5 days to proceed it. I have called him and asked him to settle this problem asap already. He also knew about this dispute case here.

If after 5 days my supplier still cant manage to do the full refund, I will reveal his identity here, is that ok? I already told him about this already.

I am not trying to protect him for not reveal the supplier identity now. But since he have promised to full refund the payment, then just wait for the time to come. I also dont have so large capital to refund to all the buyer in once.

For those buyer that pm me to refund to them individually, I hope you all can understand the situation. It is not fair to others if I just refund to u. Everyone also need the refund, why dont just wait until the full refund received by me from the supplier then refund to every buyer in the pending list?
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your 5 days never ending 1 wor ......u better becareful with ur supplier .. later ur supplier ask u give him/her 5 days coz he/she is preparing to ran away liao ..so u must be smart to overcome ur problem lol

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