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 China Top U vs Singapore public U, Tsinghua/Peking vs NUS/NTU

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keenjoy1413
post Mar 5 2022, 12:45 AM

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QUOTE(amdxp @ Feb 24 2022, 11:56 AM)
My son's UEC results has been pretty closed to top notch.  He had applied to these 4 top Universities in Asia.  That being Tsinghua U, Peking U (the top 2 best uni in China) and also Singapore's public NUS and NTU.

Fortunately for him, both Tsinghua U and Peking U had given him provisional admission, but currently the central government of China does not issue student visa to overseas students in their own combat with Covid.

As for the 2 Uni in Singapore, we will know it in Mar/Apr.  My son's ex-teacher said he stands a good chance as the top science student from the high school.

Personally I ( and my side of family) feel China will give him bigger potential in future, but wife (and her side) thinks Singapore gives better "Stability".  What do you guys think is the better ones ?
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Eventually, i recommended to choose NUS/ NTU. So far, my experience with one of the top notch UEC science stream students from previous batches (May be no. 1 in Msia, as he scored full A1 with 4 science subjects as top 10). In the end, he chose to study in NUS without considering other universities.
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post Mar 5 2022, 06:01 AM

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QUOTE(amdxp @ Mar 2 2022, 09:06 AM)
Ok, after much research and in contact with many friends and relatives we know, included Malaysian turned Singaporean, Malaysian professors working in China U, Malaysian businessman, Malaysian businessman returned from Shanghai and closed friends in China.

The conclusion is that both Tsinghua and NUS are great Uni to go.  Either one won't go wrong.  However, as China central govt does not issue any student visa right now, we have to hold our final decision until June / July.

If son does manage to go Beijing to attend the Tsinghua U, we would get him to complete his undergraduate in Tsinghua, and get a Master degree in NUS.

If he can't go Tsinghua due to Visa not available, then he shall study in NUS/NTU, get bonded to work in SG for 3 years then only try to get a Master degree in Tsinghua, hopefully.
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My vote goes to Tsinghua/Peking U for China economy, science and technology are growing by leaps and bounds.

20 years before your son goes into retirement China's economy would be No. 1 in the world.

See how they turned other's (US) 4G technology/IP into huge and pioneering business in Ali baba, Tencent.

5G ??? bye bye the West.

Don't forget unrivalled moon landing and Mas exploration. Chinese space exploration scientists are 30-40 yo and US scientists are aging at 50-60 yo. Again, bye bye the West.

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post Mar 6 2022, 12:12 PM

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QUOTE(Just Visiting By @ Mar 4 2022, 07:08 PM)
Seems like very different courses he applied for, civil engineering as first, computer science as 2nd, and mechanical at other uni.
Not all identical courses are offered by the 4 Uni.

No he did not apply for pure civil engineering, but environmental. And for NUS their environmental engineering is a special one

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And also not computer science that he applied for. It's CEG actually.

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post Mar 6 2022, 12:19 PM

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QUOTE(Just Visiting By @ Mar 4 2022, 07:08 PM)
As a practising civil engineer, I can tell you university ranking really isn't something people care about. I can't say about other courses, but I was told university rankings play very little relevance anymore.

If he goes for precision or aerospace, your son likely will have to stay in China. This isn't a field that's hot in both Malaysia and Singapore.
As an accounting professional myself, during my first job I did see better ranked Uni grad having 10-20% better pay. Than me actually. Maybe diff field is different.

No, for Tsinghua, also he is admitted to the broad aerospace faculty, he will choose Energy and Power engineering on year 2 as his major. If he ever goes there.

And lastly yes, we want him to venture outside of MY. Either China or SG is ok, but not MY. I am too fed up with the politics situation here.
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post Mar 6 2022, 12:23 PM

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QUOTE(Username is for the weak @ Mar 4 2022, 11:45 AM)
Seriously ? environmental engineering???    doh.gif
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QUOTE(Username is for the weak @ Mar 4 2022, 08:49 PM)
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If you look closely at how TS replies you'd know he is not really here for answers sweat.gif
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See my reply on top, the environmental engineering from NUS is a special one. But I said we hope he gets computer engineering, haha greedy father.

And no, I am here for all the valuable pro and cons opinions, channel it down to my son and let him think through carefully and decide for his own future.
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post Mar 6 2022, 12:27 PM

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QUOTE(keenjoy1413 @ Mar 5 2022, 12:45 AM)
Eventually, i recommended to choose NUS/ NTU. So far, my experience with one of the top notch UEC science stream students from previous batches (May be no. 1 in Msia, as he scored full A1 with 4 science subjects as top 10). In the end, he chose to study in NUS without considering other universities.
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If UEC can get placement in Oxford or Cambridge I will not consider other options too. Haha, but for the 4 that he applied, I feel obliged to find out a bit more for him. Child at his age, with 2 years study from home in 2020 and 2021, they tend to get mature a bit slower than normal. What to do ?
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QUOTE(amdxp @ Mar 6 2022, 12:23 PM)
See my reply on top, the environmental engineering from NUS is a special one. But I said we hope he gets computer engineering, haha greedy father.

And no, I am here for all the valuable pro and cons opinions, channel it down to my son and let him think through carefully and decide for his own future.
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Here's my opinion after reading the modules offered in the environmental engineering.

First of all, a disclaimer. I studied mechanical engineering for my bachelors and chemical engineering for my masters, so i can only comment on the parts other than the digitalization of urban infra

Judging from their modules, i do not think the graduates are going to learn a lot about the engineering world. The modules sound rather surperficial,but i am not sure about the digitalization part thought If your son really wants to be a engineer that is exposed to the fundamentals of engineering and have a wider array of choice after graduation, i'd recommend the aerospace/energy engineering course The modules look very useful and comprehensive, but get prepared to be fucked, real hard

Lastly, your son needs to know that energy engineering is not the same as environmental engineering. i had to take the courses of both branches during my uni years, and the energy engineering is wayyyyyyyyyyy harder than the environmental


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post Mar 18 2022, 03:41 PM

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QUOTE(amdxp @ Mar 6 2022, 01:27 PM)
If UEC can get placement in Oxford or Cambridge I will not consider other options too. Haha, but for the 4 that he applied, I feel obliged to find out a bit more for him.  Child at his age, with 2 years study from home in 2020 and 2021, they tend to get mature a bit slower than normal. What to do ?
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I believe in recent time, nus/ntu will be the best choices. China still open it's borders to outsider. Eventually, some of my students who are in the first or second year in China university all choose to withdrawn from the uni and restart elsewhere. This situation may not be corrected so fast as the cases are still in a worry situation.

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post Aug 24 2022, 12:12 PM

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Finally we picked NUS over the rest, and my son already started studying in Singapore since end July.

And thanks to Singapore / NUS, we got a full scholarship with good living allowances smile.gif

 

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