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ktek
post Feb 9 2022, 08:33 AM

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4 year battery never change. still nor satisfy meh
low odo sure all short distance trip. i see a quite efficient design to charge power up
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post Feb 9 2022, 08:36 AM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Feb 9 2022, 07:39 AM)
Is your parents car a Myvi?
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Fortunately not.

They are my latest clients who called me when their Camry's battery failed. There were problems with their original Camry's alternator and we made plans to have their original alternator repaired at a designated shop. Unfortunately the husband drove to another shop to replaced it with a reconditioned alternator instead. Now that the new battery is in, I am not pleased with the charging output of the recond alternator. So I am asking them to try to get back their original Camry's alternator, so that it can be repaired at the designated shop to ensure its output meet my Principal Co. battery's charging parameters.

I forgot to take a picture of the recond alternator, it just doesn't look anywhere near the original unit and the recond unit warranty is only 3 months. Real rubbish. I can already foresee the problems that I am going to have with these new clients over a dead battery due to an inefficient reconditioned alternator.

If they were my parents, they will not be allowed to buy a vehicle with Eco-Idle function. It is not only retirees who are trying to save money but I have other clients whom are still working/have business and they insists on using normal NS40ZL instead EFB M42 battery for their vehicles just to save money/trying to make ends meet.

Logically if everyone had high disposable incomes, surely they would want to buy the best so that their product would be under warranty. Since politicians are preaching false hopes about high income nation, the rakyat are finding it harder and harder to make ends meet, so many are forced to make do with what is available even though giving up their battery warranty.

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post Feb 9 2022, 08:47 AM

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QUOTE(ktek @ Feb 9 2022, 08:33 AM)
4 year battery never change. still nor satisfy meh
low odo sure all short distance trip. i see a quite efficient design to charge power up
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Clients are always right mah. Satisfied ? Human beings will always want more for less one. Good no cheap and cheap no good. Takkan a Battery Co. will be able to produce a higher capacity battery at a lower production cost ceteris paribus ? Like now its 4 years, sure la they want to get out more from the new battery.

Retirees mah sure la odo low. If retirees with high odo readings only means they have not retired to their homes just yet.

Sorry, I dont quite understand the bolded text above.
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post Feb 9 2022, 08:51 AM

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QUOTE(wchinwai @ Feb 8 2022, 09:33 PM)
actually in long run, might cost more because engine restart more often. Imagine at every traffic or junction stops, the engine need to restart everytime if the eco-idle kicks in.
thats what i think...
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Yes, that is extremely annoying especailly during traffic jam.
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post Feb 9 2022, 09:05 AM

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becos drive a bit stop. d rpm is not high to begin with
regular alternator may not produce enough output. unless we modify pulley size

now u replaced a batt already izit
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post Feb 9 2022, 09:11 AM

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QUOTE(dares @ Feb 8 2022, 11:46 PM)
I once saw a Myvi performing reverse parking at the mall. When the driver stop to shift into reverse gear, the idle stop kicked in and the engine died, then promptly restart as the driver starts to reverse into the parking bay.

One of the most idiotic thing I've seen a car do.
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die in d gear transition to r gear rite. he is eco'ed
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post Feb 9 2022, 09:12 AM

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QUOTE(ktek @ Feb 9 2022, 09:05 AM)
becos drive a bit stop. d rpm is not high to begin with
regular alternator may not produce enough output. unless we modify pulley size

now u replaced a batt already izit
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Ah ok now I understand what you meant. Yes you are right. Melaka is infamous with high number of traffic lights and with so many Stops-Starts you can imagine the load.

Not yet but very soon as I am awaiting for the new delivery to arrive from HQ.
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post Feb 9 2022, 10:30 AM

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My 1st battery change for my peugeot was less than 2 years after bought new. Since then I switched off the auto engine start/stop everytime I started the car.

AGM batteries are fricking expensive
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post Feb 9 2022, 12:20 PM

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QUOTE(maxomeara @ Feb 9 2022, 10:30 AM)
My 1st battery change for my peugeot was less than 2 years after bought new. Since then I switched off the auto engine start/stop everytime I started the car.

AGM batteries are fricking expensive
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AGM batteries altho expensive, they should last you very long. The longest I have seen before was 8 years (i'm working at a battery shop). To me, 1k for 8 years is quite good, comparing to the 300-400 bid batteries (DIN sizes) that you have to replace every 2-3 years.

Just that you paid it upfront loh

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post Feb 9 2022, 12:54 PM

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QUOTE(dares @ Feb 8 2022, 11:46 PM)
I once saw a Myvi performing reverse parking at the mall. When the driver stop to shift into reverse gear, the idle stop kicked in and the engine died, then promptly restart as the driver starts to reverse into the parking bay.

One of the most idiotic thing I've seen a car do.
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Because Perodua's start stop idle is not as smart as , lets say, Serena Hybrid.
Smarter Start Stop Idle will detect steering angle . Unfortunately Perodua's one doesnt have that steering sensor.
So yes, I've seen Myvi engine stop while reversing. Kinda dumb I agree.

QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Feb 8 2022, 09:38 PM)
Very true.

The 1st thing that will go is probably the Starter Motor, unless of course the Starter Motor for vehicle with Eco-Idle function has been designed for a much higher number of starts compared to previous generation of Myvi.
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Because this is the cheapest design. However the starter most likely is a more heavy duty type.
A more high tech design (but much more practical) is like Serena Mild Hybrid - Uses Alternator + Starter on its belt.
Meaning it will start the engine via the specially designed Alternator. Charge the special battery via the Alternator. Even power the engine (slightly) by the Alternator.

https://www.carlist.my/news/how-is-the-niss...ls-60071/60071/

I'm sure you have heard about Serena's special purpose hybrid battery. The car has 2 batteries, one regular battery and another for the hybrid.

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post Feb 9 2022, 01:07 PM

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QUOTE(SleeplessEyes @ Feb 9 2022, 12:54 PM)
Unfortunately Perodua's one doesnt have that steering sensor.
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This one I can immediately correct you because any cars with stability control safety systems will have steering angular sensors biggrin.gif
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post Feb 9 2022, 01:26 PM

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QUOTE(thenazek @ Feb 9 2022, 12:20 PM)
AGM batteries altho expensive, they should last you very long. The longest I have seen before was 8 years (i'm working at a battery shop). To me, 1k for 8 years is quite good, comparing to the 300-400 bid batteries (DIN sizes) that you have to replace every 2-3 years.
Just that you paid it upfront loh
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direct buy from u offer discount or not hehe
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post Feb 9 2022, 01:27 PM

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I saw a picture where someone wedged a piece of folded paper between the switch and the surrounding, so that the switch is always pressed in. Don't know if it really works.
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post Feb 9 2022, 01:41 PM

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QUOTE(maxomeara @ Feb 9 2022, 10:30 AM)
My 1st battery change for my peugeot was less than 2 years after bought new. Since then I switched off the auto engine start/stop everytime I started the car.

AGM batteries are fricking expensive
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Are you saying that your AGM batteries lasts 2 years only ? Something is seriously wrong IMHO.
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QUOTE(SleeplessEyes @ Feb 9 2022, 12:54 PM)
Because Perodua's start stop idle is not as smart as , lets say, Serena Hybrid.
Smarter Start Stop Idle will detect steering angle . Unfortunately Perodua's one doesnt have that steering sensor.
So yes, I've seen Myvi engine stop while reversing. Kinda dumb I agree.
Because this is the cheapest design. However the starter most likely is a more heavy duty type.
A more high tech design (but much more practical) is like Serena Mild Hybrid - Uses Alternator + Starter on its belt.
Meaning it will start the engine via the specially designed Alternator. Charge the special battery via the Alternator. Even power the engine (slightly) by the Alternator.

https://www.carlist.my/news/how-is-the-niss...ls-60071/60071/

I'm sure you have heard about Serena's special purpose hybrid battery. The car has 2 batteries, one regular battery and another for the hybrid.
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Bro., it is good to hear from you again. I had no idea about steering angle on smarter designs and it is good to learn something new everyday. 😊

Yeah I've heard of Serena system but I havent had the chance to work on and with such a vehicle yet. 😦

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post Feb 9 2022, 02:07 PM

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QUOTE(ktek @ Feb 9 2022, 01:26 PM)
direct buy from u offer discount or not hehe
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Can lah. Next time u need replacement u PM me. I quote our price.
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post Feb 9 2022, 02:19 PM

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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Feb 9 2022, 01:46 PM)
Bro., it is good to hear from you again. I had no idea about steering angle on smarter designs and it is good to learn something new everyday. 😊

Yeah I've heard of Serena system but I havent had the chance to work on and with such a vehicle yet. 😦
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yep. two type.
steering angle center = eco (both did)
steering out of center = eco (lousy), not eco (intelligent).
force steering turn = restart (both did)

QUOTE(thenazek @ Feb 9 2022, 02:07 PM)
Can lah. Next time u need replacement u PM me. I quote our price.
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post Feb 9 2022, 02:20 PM

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bypass je

i hear my friend driving mazda, just stick a piece of paper at the switch
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post Feb 9 2022, 02:26 PM

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QUOTE(even_steven @ Feb 8 2022, 09:36 PM)
I've been using Eco-Idle since I bought my car. The delay is negligible for automatic transmission. If you say the delay can cause accident, that means your judgement of safety to cross the junction is off. Those who have the mindset of "sempat lagi ni", will have this risk. If you are a defensive driver and always make sure the road is clear to cross, you won't have this issue to worry about.
Eco-Idle help to save fuel. TS want to turn it off.
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The idea of eco-idle is not much on fuel saving but to reduce air pollution in city area.
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QUOTE(maxomeara @ Feb 9 2022, 10:30 AM)
My 1st battery change for my peugeot was less than 2 years after bought new. Since then I switched off the auto engine start/stop everytime I started the car.

AGM batteries are fricking expensive
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Then just use normal battery since you are not using auto start/stop feature. smile.gif

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