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post Jan 31 2022, 08:06 PM

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QUOTE(((Xa))0102 @ Jan 31 2022, 06:46 PM)
Even with my 2.0 Camry, I'm doing 200km/h on the NKVE on a nightly basis. Hence your statement of a 4 pot turbo doing 200kmh is definitely agreeable. But like how @bigmac999 put it, its how effortlessly you reach the speed haha. And yes, anything above 250km/h is very scary and its super stressful to maintain that kind of speeds for prolonged periods.
Drive hard, it wont rosak as much - trust me haha

I'm still driving my 18 year old Camry, so I know how it feels
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There is definitely a difference in flooring the throttle in a lower-powered car and eventually making it up to a high speed (say 200km/h) vs relaxedly coming up to the same speed in a car with plenty of power on tap biggrin.gif . One big downside of the more powerful car (besides maintenance/fuel/road tax costs/etc.) is that driving a car with much less power is almost painful.

And yes, cars need to be driven. Parking them for long periods doesn't do the cars (or the owner!) any favours...

I do wish you luck in your car hunt - and whatever car you do end up buying (I'm rooting for the E400!) I hope you'll share your experiences with it here smile.gif .
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post Jan 31 2022, 08:50 PM

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QUOTE(bigmac999 @ Jan 31 2022, 07:13 PM)
Bluetec = no spark plugs to worry about, just glow plugs but those rarely fail in our climate

only big difference will be the roadtax between those 2 but only once a year should be negligible

u will save a lot more fuel with the bluetech tho, like a lot more like you would half your fuel expenses lol
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Ohh yes, diesels no sparkplug haha.

Roadtax, as long its not ridiculous like >RM5k, its fine.

QUOTE(AAY @ Jan 31 2022, 08:06 PM)
There is definitely a difference in flooring the throttle in a lower-powered car and eventually making it up to a high speed (say 200km/h) vs relaxedly coming up to the same speed in a car with plenty of power on tap biggrin.gif . One big downside of the more powerful car (besides maintenance/fuel/road tax costs/etc.) is that driving a car with much less power is almost painful.

And yes, cars need to be driven. Parking them for long periods doesn't do the cars (or the owner!) any favours...

I do wish you luck in your car hunt - and whatever car you do end up buying (I'm rooting for the E400!) I hope you'll share your experiences with it here  smile.gif .
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Thanks a lot, will start test driving them after CNY.

Cheers!
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post Feb 1 2022, 05:24 AM

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QUOTE(((Xa))0102 @ Jan 31 2022, 07:46 PM)
Right, the 'its broken but you dont know what broke" situation.

No wonder the F02 depreciated faster than the E66 back then, its priced lower than F10s of similar age/condition in most cases. I agree, I don't need a 7-series/S-class given that I usually drive alone. I guess lugging lesser weight makes driving it less of a chore too in terms of manipulating the car on the road and maintaining it.

Even with my 2.0 Camry, I'm doing 200km/h on the NKVE on a nightly basis. Hence your statement of a 4 pot turbo doing 200kmh is definitely agreeable. But like how @bigmac999 put it, its how effortlessly you reach the speed haha. And yes, anything above 250km/h is very scary and its super stressful to maintain that kind of speeds for prolonged periods.

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There's really no right or wrong answers here, there's only your answer. You just gotta go out there and try em out and see if what you think is validated.

I had my questions too, and I had to find the answers. I thought what was missing was power, so I went and bought a v8 twin turbo M5 with close to 600hp, thinking very few things out there could smoke me. At first, it was fun, giddy with power and being compressed into the seat, riding the wave of torque coming out from toll gates, or hitting 200kmh effortlessly from launch in 12s. But then I found that while I could put distance, I couldn't really shake smaller cars without having to weave in and out, which I wasn't really keen on doing. And I found out that straight line is good and all, but getting overtaken and left for dust going up Genting by an uncle in a 4wd Fortuner of all things isn't fun, even though he sounds modded and he probably pulls 20 runs up a month regularly. And topping out at 275, I couldn't keep up with supercars. And it burnt a litre of oil every month with a full tank every 3 days. Those younger days are gone, and I think my answer to the question of conti ownership is... the one with the least stress haha.

So give it a go, if you're happy then great, if not, then let's hope it doesn't cost too much.

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post Feb 1 2022, 07:47 AM

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QUOTE(((Xa))0102 @ Jan 31 2022, 07:46 PM)

Oh I see, then I might consider. The only downside is I have to go back to the service ctr and spend 4 digits every single oil change interval right?

I wonder how much you could sell for scraps haha, I still feel that if its just a simple battery replacement that costs <RM20k, might as well replace the battery and sell it off OR enjoy it for a few more years right?
Appreciate your detailed response.
Yes i spend like RM1k+ to RM3k+ for car services, but its a hybrid car so the cycle of each interval is very long before services. From my own experience my E300 service Once / Years

Toyota service 4 month once which mean 1 years Toyota need to service 3 Time = let say RM400 - 600 each time = 1 Years is roughly around RM1800

Which i think is almost the same as E300 oil change value
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QUOTE(froz3nnoob @ Feb 1 2022, 07:47 AM)
Yes i spend like RM1k+ to RM3k+ for car services, but its a hybrid car so the cycle of each interval is very long before services. From my own experience my E300 service Once / Years

Toyota service 4 month once which mean 1 years Toyota need to service 3 Time = let say RM400 - 600 each time = 1 Years is roughly around RM1800

Which i think is almost the same as E300 oil change value
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Though the service interval is set at once a year, I think owners should service it within 8 months or 8k to 10k km mileage. It’s still internal combustion engine and produces carbon. Hence, EO would be quite dirty. After all, what’s an oil change if compared to a blown engine laugh.gif
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QUOTE(((Xa))0102 @ Jan 31 2022, 08:50 PM)
Ohh yes, diesels no sparkplug haha.

Roadtax, as long its not ridiculous like >RM5k, its fine.
Thanks a lot, will start test driving them after CNY.

Cheers!
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TS, I was looking for the same model for several years also. Yes, not a typo. It has been several years. Started in 2017 or 2018. That time the price was rm170k minimum. Still very attractive if compared to E250.

Was searching high and low but couldn’t pen down one. In the end, I gotten myself a F10 520d. Really an excellent car in my humble opinion,

Having owned the F10 for several years, maintenance is such a breeze. It’s really quite a solid built car within the 5 series lineup. Furthermore, being a diesel, the fuel consumption is even better an a Myvi! laugh.gif Highway comfort runs can last 1300 to 1400 kms easily in a full tank, rm150 in today’s B7 euro 5 diesel pricing.

However, am also now looking at purchasing a E300 since the price is even more attractive.

Just a word of caution. Definitely you can’t compare a Toyota to a conti. You’ll need to prepare your mindset on possible maintenance and repairs budget. However drive wise is next to non in a conti.
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post Feb 1 2022, 08:30 AM

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Neighbors next door had office car W212 E300 Diesel Hybrid. His company policy always bought Diesel cars. This E300 always ended up at SC due to many issues, since company registered car, Merz SC always prepared replacement car when the car on sc. Then changed to 520d F10. Good for a year then had it engine replaced under warranty due to burst gasket iinm. 1 month for engine to arrived or settled under warranty, consider fast. Now back to Merz GLE 250d for past 2 years and it is quite reliable
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post Feb 1 2022, 12:06 PM

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QUOTE(subaru555 @ Feb 1 2022, 09:04 AM)
Though the service interval is set at once a year, I think owners should service it within 8 months or 8k to 10k km mileage. It’s still internal combustion engine and produces carbon. Hence, EO would be quite dirty. After all, what’s an oil change if compared to a blown engine  laugh.gif
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That i r not very sure, i follow what the service time set by their internal computing, so far i have own thr car more than 6 years, not much faulty or problem yet.. the only time i had a problem is the air con gas leaking which was fix for free by Mercedes services centre
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post Feb 1 2022, 12:09 PM

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QUOTE(ayamxxx @ Feb 1 2022, 09:30 AM)
Neighbors next door had office car W212 E300 Diesel Hybrid. His company policy always bought Diesel cars. This E300 always ended up at SC due to many issues, since company registered car, Merz SC always prepared replacement car when the car on sc. Then changed to 520d F10. Good for a year then had it engine replaced under warranty due to burst gasket iinm. 1 month for engine to arrived or settled under warranty, consider fast. Now back to Merz GLE 250d for past 2 years and it is quite reliable
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I had a F10 too previously and i dare to say 100% is a shitty car… their SC is the worst compare to Mercedes SC, like previous member say BMW conti car is unreliable and spend more than in a SC than on the road, that why i change to Mercedes….

If u join BMW club u will see how much complaints in the forum

For me personally i think BMW = Bring More Worry
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post Feb 1 2022, 01:51 PM

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QUOTE(froz3nnoob @ Feb 1 2022, 07:47 AM)
Yes i spend like RM1k+ to RM3k+ for car services, but its a hybrid car so the cycle of each interval is very long before services. From my own experience my E300 service Once / Years

Toyota service 4 month once which mean 1 years Toyota need to service 3 Time = let say RM400 - 600 each time = 1 Years is roughly around RM1800

Which i think is almost the same as E300 oil change value
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Wow, I thought its 1 year/20,000km or whichever comes first? I drive my cars hard, most EO break down way before it reaches its interval tongue.gif

QUOTE(subaru555 @ Feb 1 2022, 08:23 AM)
TS, I was looking for the same model for several years also. Yes, not a typo. It has been several years. Started in 2017 or 2018. That time the price was rm170k minimum. Still very attractive if compared to E250.

Was searching high and low but couldn’t pen down one. In the end, I gotten myself a F10 520d. Really an excellent car in my humble opinion,

Having owned the F10 for several years, maintenance is such a breeze. It’s really quite a solid built car within the 5 series lineup. Furthermore, being a diesel, the fuel consumption is even better an a Myvi!  laugh.gif  Highway comfort runs can last 1300 to 1400 kms easily in a full tank, rm150 in today’s B7 euro 5 diesel pricing.

However, am also now looking at purchasing a E300 since the price is even more attractive.

Just a word of caution. Definitely you can’t compare a Toyota to a conti. You’ll need to prepare your mindset on possible maintenance and repairs budget. However drive wise is next to non in a conti.
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I see, did you manage to get the final edition F10 520d with the M Sport steering? Such units are super hard to find. Basically 528i spec with a diesel.

QUOTE(ayamxxx @ Feb 1 2022, 08:30 AM)
Neighbors next door had office car W212 E300 Diesel Hybrid. His company policy always bought Diesel cars. This E300 always ended up at SC due to many issues, since company registered car, Merz SC always prepared replacement car when the car on sc. Then changed to 520d F10. Good for a year then had it engine replaced under warranty due to burst gasket iinm. 1 month for engine to arrived or settled under warranty, consider fast. Now back to Merz GLE 250d for past 2 years and it is quite reliable
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Newer Mercs are indeed very reliable, to the point that I rarely hear big issues (apart from the few lemons that left the showroom with issues that couldn't be solved despite repeated visits). Despite mixed opinions - E300 is definitely out of my consideration list now, if I want a diesel, it will defo be the F10 520d.

QUOTE(froz3nnoob @ Feb 1 2022, 12:09 PM)
I had a F10 too previously and i dare to say 100% is a shitty car… their SC is the worst compare to Mercedes SC, like previous member say BMW conti car is unreliable and spend more than in a SC than on the road, that why i change to Mercedes….

If u join BMW club u will see how much complaints in the forum

For me personally i think BMW = Bring More Worry
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Which BMW SC did you go to?
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post Feb 1 2022, 01:55 PM

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QUOTE(RL5959 @ Feb 1 2022, 05:24 AM)
There's really no right or wrong answers here, there's only your answer. You just gotta go out there and try em out and see if what you think is validated.

I had my questions too, and I had to find the answers. I thought what was missing was power, so I went and bought a v8 twin turbo M5 with close to 600hp, thinking very few things out there could smoke me. At first, it was fun, giddy with power and being compressed into the seat, riding the wave of torque coming out from toll gates, or hitting 200kmh effortlessly from launch in 12s. But then I found that while I could put distance, I couldn't really shake smaller cars without having to weave in and out, which I wasn't really keen on doing. And I found out that straight line is good and all, but getting overtaken and left for dust going up Genting by an uncle in a 4wd Fortuner of all things isn't fun, even though he sounds modded and he probably pulls 20 runs up a month regularly. And topping out at 275, I couldn't keep up with supercars. And it burnt a litre of oil every month with a full tank every 3 days. Those younger days are gone, and I think my answer to the question of conti ownership is... the one with the least stress haha.

So give it a go, if you're happy then great, if not, then let's hope it doesn't cost too much.
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I thought the F10 M5 capable of 300+?
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QUOTE(froz3nnoob @ Feb 1 2022, 12:09 PM)
I had a F10 too previously and i dare to say 100% is a shitty car… their SC is the worst compare to Mercedes SC, like previous member say BMW conti car is unreliable and spend more than in a SC than on the road, that why i change to Mercedes….

If u join BMW club u will see how much complaints in the forum

For me personally i think BMW = Bring More Worry
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F10 which engine u pakai N or B series yea?
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QUOTE(lordgamer3 @ Feb 1 2022, 01:56 PM)
F10 which engine u pakai N or B series yea?
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Good question, wanna know too
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QUOTE(lordgamer3 @ Feb 1 2022, 02:55 PM)
I thought the F10 M5 capable of 300+?
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QUOTE(((Xa))0102 @ Jan 31 2022, 06:46 PM)
I'm still driving my 18 year old Camry, so I know how it feels
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Iinm, thought a few years ago you said you were driving an Audi?
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QUOTE(differ @ Feb 1 2022, 02:17 PM)
Iinm, thought a few years ago you said you were driving an Audi?
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Sold it 4 years ago and reverted back to my Camry ever since then
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QUOTE(((Xa))0102 @ Feb 1 2022, 02:58 PM)
Good question, wanna know too
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QUOTE(froz3nnoob @ Feb 1 2022, 12:09 PM)
I had a F10 too previously and i dare to say 100% is a shitty car… their SC is the worst compare to Mercedes SC, like previous member say BMW conti car is unreliable and spend more than in a SC than on the road, that why i change to Mercedes….

If u join BMW club u will see how much complaints in the forum

For me personally i think BMW = Bring More Worry
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Any idea what causes BMWs to be unreliable compared to Mercedes?

I often hear older folks around me saying this, but does this still apply to models say, built from 2010 onwards?
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QUOTE(Buyalotforgaming @ Feb 1 2022, 09:22 PM)
Any idea what causes BMWs to be unreliable compared to Mercedes?

I often hear older folks around me saying this, but does this still apply to models say, built from 2010 onwards?
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