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Spear2
post Jan 4 2022, 02:47 PM

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QUOTE(wanted111who @ Jan 3 2022, 07:25 PM)
Kalau tak impak masyarakat, i pun takde masa nak layan.

Jangan kata islam, kuil dan gereja pun i takde masa nak pergi.
Masaalahnya bila ianya memberikan kesan pada kehidupan harian i. Itu menyebabkan suatu masaalah bagi i, baru i bersuara.

Contohnya, i pi supermarket, beli daging, dulu i tak perlu jalan satu round besar pi non halal seksyen. Bayar boleh bayar semua kat satu kaunter.

Sekarang, nak beli ikan , ayam, kena pergi satu seksyen, bayar. Pastu heret satu dua bungkus pi seksyen non halal, kena letak bungkusan yang baru dibeli kat pak guard masuk beli pastu kena bayar berasingan. Menyusahkan.

Bab ni boleh kita terima, hidup bermasyarakat, susah sikit takpe. Pastu, sekarang ni, toto magnum nak beli, hari cabutan dikurangkan. Okay, kurangkan judi pun baik jugak

Pastu ada mintak alkohol tak boleh dijual, ni haram jadah mana ni yang menyusahkan kehidupan orang lain?

Ni lagi satu, pada bulan puasa. Nak puasa orang tak halang, tapi yang pi halang orang tak puasa makan sebab apa? Logiknya mana? Hukum agama apa korang pakai menghalang orang yang tak wajib puasa makan?  Nak bukak kedai makan (bulan puasa) buat business pun tak bagi. Ni quran mana, hadith mana yang dipetik suruh buat gitu?

Pastu, kata orang islamophobia bila kita bersuara.
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itu yg apa nama toleransi sebenar, satu arah saja, kerana kehidupan org bukam Islam ni adanya haram di mata org berugama. Mesti diubah, atau dihadkan atau lebih baik dilarang sama sekali. Tapi bila menulis ttg toleransi, main sedap dengar, marilah kita saling hormat menghormati cara kehidupan masing2 ... tapi tiba masanya something berlaku, tu tak boleh kerana ...
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post Jan 4 2022, 02:57 PM

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QUOTE(fist_Aileron @ Jan 4 2022, 02:46 PM)
No im not offended. You seems to be the one offended because of muslim scholar forbiding muslim to return favour by cleabing the temple. That does not in any mean we are intolerant to other religion. It just means that some set of rules must be followed by muslim.
My explaination does not mean im offended. I dont really care whether it is UAI or DrMaza or ASWAJA who mention this. Im just explaining the reason UAI said so to those who want to know why.
If you choose to ignore..do you think i care hahah
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My point is 2, the set of religious rules are fluid depending on how you want to interpret them. 2nd by forbidding Muslim to help, out of kindness is being intolerant. You can give 10 reasons why your religion forbids but when it comes to greater good or noble moral value/obligation, it is just being intolerant. If you look from the outside or on some other religion being selfish, you would understand better..
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post Jan 4 2022, 05:23 PM

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QUOTE(WindDragon @ Jan 4 2022, 04:09 PM)
So you come in here and you insult Islam.
You say our views are biased, you imply that Islamic teachings is not true.

But somehow Islam is intolerant one?

Do you know what is a hypocrite?
Someone who cannot accept that others are different. They must force others to be exactly like them. If others refuse to be like them, they say "look! This person is intolerant!"

Who is the intolerant one?
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Insult you say? Don't be so sensitive. Do you even understand what I said? Islam like other religions are of no difference how it's knowledge (rules or do or don't) is derived, and that your point of view is just a point of view because even in Islam there are so many differences, yes many are minors but some are big ya. Is this an insult? Only if in your view Islam is above everyone else, which is where the intolerance comes from.

Okay?
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post Jan 6 2022, 10:27 AM

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QUOTE(fist_Aileron @ Jan 4 2022, 10:39 PM)
I interpret my religion based on my islamic knowledge since primary sxhool, secondary islamic school, spm quran sunnah and syariah, islamic university, and continuous education in islamic teachings. By following the muslim scholars.

So how do you interpret other religion..particularly islam? On what basis and foundational knowledge in islam? Its not us being intolerant. Its probably just you being ignorant.
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The point is however you interpret your religion or texts according your learning and following Muslim scholars, that fact is there are differences and sectarianism in Islam, even among scholars, even on small matters like cleaning a non Muslim house of worship. These differences are not just trivial, have existed since the passing of Muhammad, and have increased over the 1500 years, causing not only schism among Muslims but wars that lead to great sufferings even today.

What does that tell you? A dream of some true Islam uniting all Muslims which happens to be your version?

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post Jan 6 2022, 10:45 AM

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QUOTE(WindDragon @ Jan 4 2022, 06:49 PM)
My whole point is non-Muslims can eat pork, drink beer and gamble.

So why must force people to mix pork together with chicken in
supermarket to make it more convenient for non-muslims when you know that pork is Haram for Muslims?

Accept peoples differences la.

Is Muslims being intolerant because non Muslims are inconvenienced by the separation of halal and Haram things like pork and alcohol?
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We set the general default baseline as long as it is not harmful to the well being of human, all (health, religious, superstitious etc ...) requirements are evaluated on this basis.

To tolerate mix pork with chicken, to not tolerate mix pork with chicken -> the choice you made here determine your tolerance on that basis.




 

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