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post Jan 16 2022, 12:45 PM

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QUOTE(DarkWan @ Jan 16 2022, 09:43 AM)
Still have a headache (and heartache) as staying up late last night. Not happy with the result.

But. I feel happy for Bruno Fernandes though. He got his revenge against Martinez. Twice!
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..and rangnick let him down

at 2-0 up in 20min ralf rangnick suddenly transform into ole and become shit. that last 20min shit was all on rangnick ALONE. rubbish manager. just be a coach or DoF or consultant or whatever but NEVER A MANAGER. USELESS
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post Jan 16 2022, 01:03 PM

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luckily i go to sleep after 1st half finish.....
and85rew
post Jan 16 2022, 01:25 PM

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They said it is CR problem
Last night did Elenga/Greenwood pass to Cavani?
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post Jan 16 2022, 01:45 PM

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QUOTE(skystrike @ Jan 16 2022, 08:27 AM)
clearly need new defensive midfield...i wonder is board will give money to rr to spend?
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We need to sign Declan Rice as soon as possible before Manchester City and Chelsea sign him.

This post has been edited by MamulaMoon: Jan 16 2022, 01:49 PM
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post Jan 16 2022, 02:20 PM

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/...Villa-draw.html

So siapa tipu?

Rr said yesterday matched is a step forward. Omg. Satisfied with the performance?

We have two more important games coming up, what we have shown today is a step forwards, this draw doesn't feel like a point.'
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post Jan 16 2022, 02:43 PM

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QUOTE(IpohGuyz @ Jan 16 2022, 02:20 PM)
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/...Villa-draw.html

So siapa tipu?

Rr said yesterday matched is a step forward. Omg. Satisfied with the performance?

We have two more important games coming up, what we have shown today is a step forwards, this draw doesn't feel like a point.'
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I think there both sides are technically correct. Without insider info, this is what I think happened.

Due to current negotiations of an impending loan deal, Martial may have informed Rangnick he preferred to be left out. So in this Rangnick is right.
Martial denies he refused to play for United. He is also correct because he was not asked to play and then refused it.

Personally I think Martial wants out already.

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post Jan 16 2022, 06:36 PM

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QUOTE(statikinetic @ Jan 16 2022, 02:43 PM)
I think there both sides are technically correct. Without insider info, this is what I think happened.

Due to current negotiations of an impending loan deal, Martial may have informed Rangnick he preferred to be left out. So in this Rangnick is right.
Martial denies he refused to play for United. He is also correct because he was not asked to play and then refused it.

Personally I think Martial wants out already.
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How to sell with his performance? Even his salary is too high for new suitors (only newcastle/psg can match it)
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post Jan 16 2022, 08:01 PM

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QUOTE(and85rew @ Jan 16 2022, 06:36 PM)
How to sell with his performance? Even his salary is too high for new suitors (only newcastle/psg can match it)
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unlike Rashford, Martial dont get the luxury of "is he okay? we worried about him"..

Sevilla wanted to loan him for the remaining of the season with option to buy..
the nego failed because United insist on Sevilla paying 100% of his salary during the loan period..

2 season back, United gladly paying more than 50% of Alexis Sanchez salary for him to be at Inter for a loan spell.. the club loves to flip flop on terms doh.gif

speaking about his form as a striker, with the exception of CR7, Cavani didnt do better either.. as a left wing/forward, Elanga did better in terms of tracking back only..
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QUOTE(silvertoes @ Jan 16 2022, 08:01 PM)
unlike Rashford, Martial dont get the luxury of "is he okay? we worried about him"..

Sevilla wanted to loan him for the remaining of the season with option to buy..
the nego failed because United insist on Sevilla paying 100% of his salary during the loan period..

2 season back, United gladly paying more than 50% of Alexis Sanchez salary for him to be at Inter for a loan spell.. the club loves to flip flop on terms  doh.gif

speaking about his form as a striker, with the exception of CR7, Cavani didnt do better either.. as a left wing/forward, Elanga did better in terms of tracking back only..
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I blame glazer/woodward..they offered 250k bcoz martial is one of glazer favourite players. Now very to sell him due to his high wages.

Cavani felt what CR felt...both elenga/greenwood don't bother to pass. Even Cavani worked much harder pressing/defending.

To start with a way past best matic is a red flag.
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post Jan 16 2022, 09:08 PM

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QUOTE(and85rew @ Jan 16 2022, 06:36 PM)
How to sell with his performance? Even his salary is too high for new suitors (only newcastle/psg can match it)
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Sevilla does not want to pay 250k per week so United may have to pay part of his wages to play for Sevilla.
If Martial doesn't go, he doesn't play for United anyway and his transfer value tanks.

Part of United owners running United like FM2022. Giving Joel Glazers favourite player 250k per week.
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post Jan 16 2022, 09:13 PM

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QUOTE(silvertoes @ Jan 16 2022, 08:01 PM)
unlike Rashford, Martial dont get the luxury of "is he okay? we worried about him"..

Sevilla wanted to loan him for the remaining of the season with option to buy..
the nego failed because United insist on Sevilla paying 100% of his salary during the loan period..

2 season back, United gladly paying more than 50% of Alexis Sanchez salary for him to be at Inter for a loan spell.. the club loves to flip flop on terms  doh.gif

speaking about his form as a striker, with the exception of CR7, Cavani didnt do better either.. as a left wing/forward, Elanga did better in terms of tracking back only..
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Elanga as a youngster who never start a premier league, already play better than Sancho.

I can't never understand why some fans said Sancho played okay, at least he trace back, bla bla.
He is a semi regular, but has almost zero threats as a winger.
Rashford and Greenwood is selfish, but at least they create threats, while Sancho totally make no threats at all.

Stop talking about he is team player, no one make combination play with him, bla bla.
Adjust yourself to help the team man when the team need u man, use more pace and crossing.

Sancho is more likely to look like Sanchez, or even worse.
Another failed Ole's purchase.
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QUOTE(and85rew @ Jan 16 2022, 09:03 PM)
I blame glazer/woodward..they offered 250k bcoz martial is one of glazer favourite players. Now very to sell him due to his high wages.

Cavani felt what CR felt...both elenga/greenwood don't bother to pass. Even Cavani worked much harder pressing/defending.

To start with a way past best matic is a red flag.
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I think it was in the 60th minute something.
Greenwood brought the ball to the front right. Instead of passing to cavani Wii was unmarked, and in a good position to score. Greenwood tried himself. Didn't pass.
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QUOTE(skyblu3 @ Jan 16 2022, 09:30 PM)
I think it was in the 60th minute something.
Greenwood brought the ball to the front right.  Instead of passing to cavani Wii was unmarked, and in a good position to score.  Greenwood tried himself.  Didn't pass.
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yes..at that moment..3-0 would have sealed the game
sigh..greenwood....
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post Jan 17 2022, 12:21 AM

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Despite greenwood selfishness, he always get chance to score. Sancho on the other hand .... Greenwood shooting skill deserted him. If can shoot and score like last season, won't kena complain

At least better than rashford. Instead of shooting continue dribble until lose ball
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post Jan 17 2022, 10:30 AM

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QUOTE(statikinetic @ Jan 16 2022, 08:54 AM)
Denis Zakaria rumoured to be in discussions right now.
Will be around 6M as he is out of contract in the summer but he has a fair amount of clubs going in for him. United really need a DM now.
On a separate note, I am not too worried about team performance yet. I remain hopeful.
We can't be going in on Rangnick every time we don't get a win. So let me break down what I saw in the Villa game and where the club is at :

- Manchester United are a club in dire need of tactics, of new culture and of new direction when RR came in. That hasn't changed.
- Ronaldo's interview basically confirmed what the fans knew, there are dressing room groupies at United that has been allowed to apply a sub-standard ethic and mentality for the past 3 years and they control the dressing room.
- Has RR made any changes to tactics or culture in the past 2 months? Yes for tactics.
- To quote posters here, it is apparent that Rangnick was the team playing his way of football but they don't seem to have the fitness to do it across a football game. United keep reverting back to type late in the first half and the second half. The lack of fitness plays into some players treating United as a holiday home all these while and still getting selected.
- Is Rangnick changing the culture? Yes but slowly because he has to deal with dressing room rebels and doesn't get the respect he should as boss because he is interim. That makes it difficult for him and where players like Ronaldo wants the change.
- Suddenly, we have the entire English core "out injured" coincidentally. Whatever the reason : Maguire, AWB, Shaw, Rashford, etc isn't starting. So maybe the manager is making the difficult decisions to bench players who are not ready to play the way he wants.
- You remove the core of the players starting for United the past 3 seasons, it will impact team performance. It looks like short term pain for hopefully long term gain. What you are seeing is some players no longer getting automatically selected every week and the team learning to play without them.
- Varane & Lindelof look decent as a partnership. We are very obviously lacking that midfield steel but that has been a problem for the past 2 years.
- So with all to do, I think RR is doing the things he can but United are such a big pile of shit that it will take time. Ronaldo has said it will take time. Of course, everything must be time bound and I will stick to my guns and say March earliest or end of the season to judge.
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To solve that problem, the board must offer at least Rangnick a consultancy job contract on the table, once that news spread out, those player will only take it seriously
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post Jan 17 2022, 01:41 PM

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It’s either we have the players that can suit a system or we don’t. And if we don’t why are we still persisting with an unsuitable system? Who is advising RR? Phelan?
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post Jan 17 2022, 02:55 PM

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QUOTE(yhtan @ Jan 17 2022, 10:30 AM)
To solve that problem, the board must offer at least Rangnick a consultancy job contract on the table, once that news spread out, those player will only take it seriously
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Cause rr doesn't have trophies background. If put conte Zidane or high profile ppl, interim also ppl will listen
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post Jan 17 2022, 02:56 PM

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QUOTE(IpohGuyz @ Jan 17 2022, 02:55 PM)
Cause rr doesn't have trophies background. If put conte Zidane or high profile ppl, interim also ppl will listen
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But all his disciple has won numerous trophy, he just need the authority to make player listen to him, or else the problem will forever remain there until next manager took over
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QUOTE(KennRicky @ Jan 16 2022, 09:13 PM)
Elanga as a youngster who never start a premier league, already play better than Sancho.

I can't never understand why some fans said Sancho played okay, at least he trace back, bla bla.
He is a semi regular, but has almost zero threats as a winger.
Rashford and Greenwood is selfish, but at least they create threats, while Sancho totally make no threats at all.

Stop talking about he is team player, no one make combination play with him, bla bla.
Adjust yourself to help the team man when the team need u man, use more pace and crossing.

Sancho is more likely to look like Sanchez, or even worse.
Another failed Ole's purchase.
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yeah Sancho in Ole ball system not gonna be a threat to the opponents.. he is much more suitable for Pep & Ten Hag kind of ball..
since City youth to Dortmund he's been playing like that.. tight control with teammates close by, always got 2-3 options to pass to..

Sancho was never a explosive speedy type of player, he dont have that attributes.. requesting he unlock that in his abilities is irrational..
he can cross the ball though, he got that in his locker.. but its looking like he doesnt like to do it..

it is said that Ole sign him as a solution to opponents that doing low block..
but opponents dont do low blocks against United anymore as their midfielders are ill discipline positionally and loves to give the ball away cheaply.. laugh.gif

if the next manager want to continue play this counter attacking Ole ball, then better sell Sancho..
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We are just lack of fitness to play RR game, add that MATIC. Even we are in good control, we just can do it in 90 minutes. We had good early 15 minutes, but everything gone downhill especially after the 2nd goal.

I think we are improving in term of tactic, we got more control of the game. But this type of tactic will not win you a game with more 1 goal margin. The most reliable defender is Varane, but he too made some mistakes since he comeback.

Any decent DM will improve us now. Just loan out or sell players who do not on RR plan or want to be out.

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