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IpohGuyz
post Jan 16 2022, 04:19 AM

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QUOTE(MamulaMoon @ Jan 16 2022, 04:12 AM)
Hard to believe i stay up until late night just to watch the match finished.

Ralf too slow making substitution in second half

Very bad performance, I have feeling Ralf will leave at the end of season
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With this performances so far, he didn't do enough to merit staying. Talk all philosophy you want. Implementing it is another thing. I still don't get why his starting 11 and subs so similar with ole, especially on vdb
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post Jan 16 2022, 04:21 AM

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Let the blame game begin..so today whose fault izit?..RR?..players?..VDB?..board?..ceo?..SAF?..LOL
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post Jan 16 2022, 04:24 AM

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QUOTE(IpohGuyz @ Jan 16 2022, 04:19 AM)
With this performances so far, he didn't do enough to merit staying. Talk all philosophy you want. Implementing it is another thing. I still don't get why his starting 11 and subs so similar with ole, especially on vdb
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Ole had 2 hours phone call with him.
I wonder that affected, haiz.
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post Jan 16 2022, 04:34 AM

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QUOTE(mihina69 @ Jan 16 2022, 04:21 AM)
Let the blame game begin..so today whose fault izit?..RR?..players?..VDB?..board?..ceo?..SAF?..LOL
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RR and players made fans totally forget about Board and Owner.
Board already buy Sancho and Varane. They did their job.

It is 65% on RR and 35% on the players.
RR failed the fix the issues left by Ole.
Too stubborn on emphasizing pressing and ignore all other things.
Slightly better than Ole, at least players preference is not that strong. At least Fred is not the undroppable under him, unlike under Ole.
But that is all, still unable to solve the tactical issue.

High and expensive purchase also didn't work well.
AWB, Captain, Sancho, etc.



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post Jan 16 2022, 05:07 AM

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QUOTE(KennRicky @ Jan 16 2022, 04:07 AM)
I am not sure u are VDB hater or what.
No one say he is world class.
If he is, he won't even struggle to start in this shitty team.

And who set the standard the good player must know how to dribble?
Kante, Lukaku, Bruno good in dribble?
But they are still good if being used by correct coach.

And u keep emphasizing the failed dribbling that he made.
The one that he made successfully?
That was beautiful for me. For u it was just luck?

Both have 5 mins to perform, VDB perform better than Sancho.
This is what I can see.
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Ive been supporting him since united signed him. Kante really good in dribbling. Do you even watch him play? bruno are pretty good he just lack speed. lukaku bad in tight spaces and vdb in long straight line. ive seen vdb done this few times. thats why i make this comment.

im not saying he 100% cant dribble. you just make that up.

Of course vdb play better than sancho. Anyone can see that.
MamulaMoon
post Jan 16 2022, 06:02 AM

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QUOTE(IpohGuyz @ Jan 16 2022, 04:19 AM)
With this performances so far, he didn't do enough to merit staying. Talk all philosophy you want. Implementing it is another thing. I still don't get why his starting 11 and subs so similar with ole, especially on vdb
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This team did ok first half,

but second half when Aston Villa dominated the game, obviously the plan no longer working, Ralf should start thinking making changes, like making substitutions, change formation etc

Instead Ralf waited until 89th minute confused.gif to make substitutions for fresh leg Lingard and van de beek, Too late, way too late the game was already over. bangwall.gif

Now i am not able to sleep because of the result, thanks to Ralf for ruining my weekend

This post has been edited by MamulaMoon: Jan 16 2022, 01:42 PM
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post Jan 16 2022, 07:49 AM

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Masial vs rr soon
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post Jan 16 2022, 08:06 AM

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post Jan 16 2022, 08:08 AM

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looks like top4 is gone...
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post Jan 16 2022, 08:27 AM

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clearly need new defensive midfield...i wonder is board will give money to rr to spend?
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post Jan 16 2022, 08:42 AM

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QUOTE(skystrike @ Jan 16 2022, 08:27 AM)
clearly need new defensive midfield...i wonder is board will give money to rr to spend?
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Buy new player now, may turn out to be VDB 2.0 under new manager
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post Jan 16 2022, 08:54 AM

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QUOTE(skystrike @ Jan 16 2022, 08:27 AM)
clearly need new defensive midfield...i wonder is board will give money to rr to spend?
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Denis Zakaria rumoured to be in discussions right now.
Will be around 6M as he is out of contract in the summer but he has a fair amount of clubs going in for him. United really need a DM now.


On a separate note, I am not too worried about team performance yet. I remain hopeful.
We can't be going in on Rangnick every time we don't get a win. So let me break down what I saw in the Villa game and where the club is at :

- Manchester United are a club in dire need of tactics, of new culture and of new direction when RR came in. That hasn't changed.
- Ronaldo's interview basically confirmed what the fans knew, there are dressing room groupies at United that has been allowed to apply a sub-standard ethic and mentality for the past 3 years and they control the dressing room.
- Has RR made any changes to tactics or culture in the past 2 months? Yes for tactics.
- To quote posters here, it is apparent that Rangnick was the team playing his way of football but they don't seem to have the fitness to do it across a football game. United keep reverting back to type late in the first half and the second half. The lack of fitness plays into some players treating United as a holiday home all these while and still getting selected.
- Is Rangnick changing the culture? Yes but slowly because he has to deal with dressing room rebels and doesn't get the respect he should as boss because he is interim. That makes it difficult for him and where players like Ronaldo wants the change.
- Suddenly, we have the entire English core "out injured" coincidentally. Whatever the reason : Maguire, AWB, Shaw, Rashford, etc isn't starting. So maybe the manager is making the difficult decisions to bench players who are not ready to play the way he wants.
- You remove the core of the players starting for United the past 3 seasons, it will impact team performance. It looks like short term pain for hopefully long term gain. What you are seeing is some players no longer getting automatically selected every week and the team learning to play without them.
- Varane & Lindelof look decent as a partnership. We are very obviously lacking that midfield steel but that has been a problem for the past 2 years.
- So with all to do, I think RR is doing the things he can but United are such a big pile of shit that it will take time. Ronaldo has said it will take time. Of course, everything must be time bound and I will stick to my guns and say March earliest or end of the season to judge.


This post has been edited by statikinetic: Jan 16 2022, 09:25 AM
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post Jan 16 2022, 09:43 AM

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Still have a headache (and heartache) as staying up late last night. Not happy with the result.

But. I feel happy for Bruno Fernandes though. He got his revenge against Martinez. Twice!
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post Jan 16 2022, 10:05 AM

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Haha not 3 points but still better than losing

Consider fighting the champs league final and bonus if really won the final ala istanbul 2005 laugh.gif laugh.gif
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post Jan 16 2022, 10:28 AM

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QUOTE(statikinetic @ Jan 16 2022, 08:54 AM)
Denis Zakaria rumoured to be in discussions right now.
Will be around 6M as he is out of contract in the summer but he has a fair amount of clubs going in for him. United really need a DM now.
On a separate note, I am not too worried about team performance yet. I remain hopeful.
We can't be going in on Rangnick every time we don't get a win. So let me break down what I saw in the Villa game and where the club is at :

- Manchester United are a club in dire need of tactics, of new culture and of new direction when RR came in. That hasn't changed.
- Ronaldo's interview basically confirmed what the fans knew, there are dressing room groupies at United that has been allowed to apply a sub-standard ethic and mentality for the past 3 years and they control the dressing room.
- Has RR made any changes to tactics or culture in the past 2 months? Yes for tactics.
- To quote posters here, it is apparent that Rangnick was the team playing his way of football but they don't seem to have the fitness to do it across a football game. United keep reverting back to type late in the first half and the second half. The lack of fitness plays into some players treating United as a holiday home all these while and still getting selected.
- Is Rangnick changing the culture? Yes but slowly because he has to deal with dressing room rebels and doesn't get the respect he should as boss because he is interim. That makes it difficult for him and where players like Ronaldo wants the change.
- Suddenly, we have the entire English core "out injured" coincidentally. Whatever the reason : Maguire, AWB, Shaw, Rashford, etc isn't starting. So maybe the manager is making the difficult decisions to bench players who are not ready to play the way he wants.
- You remove the core of the players starting for United the past 3 seasons, it will impact team performance. It looks like short term pain for hopefully long term gain. What you are seeing is some players no longer getting automatically selected every week and the team learning to play without them.
- Varane & Lindelof look decent as a partnership. We are very obviously lacking that midfield steel but that has been a problem for the past 2 years.
- So with all to do, I think RR is doing the things he can but United are such a big pile of shit that it will take time. Ronaldo has said it will take time. Of course, everything must be time bound and I will stick to my guns and say March earliest or end of the season to judge.
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Problem is, rr himself is the short term solution. He is the interim.
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post Jan 16 2022, 11:17 AM

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QUOTE(DarkWan @ Jan 16 2022, 09:43 AM)


But. I feel happy for Bruno Fernandes though. He got his revenge against Martinez. Twice!
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Cerita a bit. What happened between them
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post Jan 16 2022, 11:23 AM

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QUOTE(skyblu3 @ Jan 16 2022, 11:17 AM)
Cerita a bit.  What happened between them
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That penalty miss at OT vs martinez and that dance in front of united fans
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post Jan 16 2022, 11:25 AM

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QUOTE(skyblu3 @ Jan 16 2022, 11:17 AM)
Cerita a bit.  What happened between them
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I was referring to the time Bruno missed the penalty last year. Mind games that he played, he indirectly belittles him as if only Ronaldo qualified to take the penalty, not Bruno.


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QUOTE(and85rew @ Jan 16 2022, 11:23 AM)
That penalty miss at OT vs martinez and that dance in front of united fans
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Oh yeah. That.

That feenandez free kick back that went in between his legs.... That was painful.
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post Jan 16 2022, 11:41 AM

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When the game was 2-0 up, even if RR sub in both Maguire and Jones to park the bus also I think we won’t ended up 2-2

Or why ask Fred to press when 2-0 up? You know Matic is not 28, he is 30s already and he only can last until 60 minutes, Fred should be stay back with Matic, because of him keep going forward and press but failed, Matic have to cover his arse.


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