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post Dec 28 2021, 07:59 AM

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this is not an excuse okay
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post Jan 1 2022, 06:52 PM

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QUOTE(DarkWan @ Jan 1 2022, 11:36 AM)
Lucky that we got rid of him.

Lukaku me-luka-kanmu  innocent.gif
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He is actually quite silent before the move to inter.
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post Jan 2 2022, 05:00 PM

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QUOTE(simmarjit @ Jan 2 2022, 10:31 AM)
Yea silently went AWOL and train with Anderlecht to force a move
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Eh totally forgot about this
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post Jan 4 2022, 12:37 AM

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Jones pls be fit n keep maguire off the starting 11
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post Jan 4 2022, 02:07 PM

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QUOTE(and85rew @ Jan 4 2022, 01:58 PM)
Agree on Jones
Hope he can stay fit to challenge Maguire/Varane/Lindelof/Bailly

After 1st game, gegenpressing becoming less and less...seems like reverted back to final moments of OGS era
How on earth Ralf picked Matic to play full 90 mins..it is still bizarre
It will take some more time to restore confidence and philosophy to this spoiled team due to OGS
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actually anyone in the team can challenge maguire. but only jones can throw a real challenge cause same passport. biggrin.gif
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post Jan 4 2022, 05:32 PM

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QUOTE(statikinetic @ Jan 4 2022, 04:52 PM)
Let's see if all of us can agree on the expectations and RR.

Should we judge if RR is the right man for the job?
No. Not at least until the end of the season. A manager has to be given time and space to work with the team.
We are two months in, not two years. There are two types of managers, system managers and adaptable ones. System managers are managers that subscribe to a particular system, like Pep's positional play or Klopp's gegenpressing. Adaptable managers are like Ancelotti, who goes to a team and sets it up the best he can with the players he has. Rangnick is a system manager, and system adoption takes time to drill into the players. Not all players will fit into the system and some will need to go. Like Martial.
Are the results expected?
Yes. With a new tactical approach, what we will see is inconsistency during the bedding in period. Which means bad performances as well as good. Recall the pressure based attacking football in the 1-0 win against Norwich. We should have scored more than one. Constrast that against the dull performance against Wolves and Newcastle.RR is trying to drill in a new style of play into the team, but we can see the team reverting to old styles under Ole from time to time. Players who fail to adapt should be moved on. This is the time to experiment on who can play the new way. Phil Jones being given a chance is good to see. RR is getting to know his players and giving them chances.

Is the draw against Newcastle and loss against Wolves acceptable? No because we are Manchester United. Yes because we are learning to play a new way. Are we making progress? In a sense yes. Because a couple of months ago we were losing 4-2 to LEI, 5-0 to LIV, 2-0 to MCI and 4-1 to Watford. Almost the worst defence in the League. Since then, we have been conceding one goal a game on average. It should get better.
When can we expect Manchester United to play the Manchester United way (Attacking football)?
Personally I think not until next season. Let me put forward the top two world class system managers in the world. Pep and Klopp.
Pep, with an unlimited bank account still took at least two seasons to get the team to play the way he wanted. Fans were laughing at City after the first season and saying Pep was a fraud remember? Klopp? Without oil money, it took him 4 seasons with club backing. To expect RR to transform us completely in half a season might be too much. If I see improvements in play by end of the season and us playing in the right direction, I'd back him for perm manager.
Why is RR playing Matic?
Because he realizes what all of us have been talking about. Matic is the only natural 6 in the team, and both McFred are actually 8s. No surprise Fred and McTominay have been putting in better performances because they have been playing in their preferred positions. Matic is the only 6 which allows the 8 to play but he is too old for the role. The 6 requires natural positioning which nither McFred has. I expect a CDM to be top priority this month to buy.
What if the board appoints a new manager at the end of the season who does not want to play gegenpressing?
Then the board once again is proved to be imcompetent, the footballing soul of Manchester United is dead and we are a corporate entity through and through. RR's appointment is a commitment by the club to play a certain way and whoever the new manager is, it is expected he continue along the same lines instead of resetting the team again. I expect RR to at least have an influence in whoever is going to be appointed, or RR himself to be in that role.
As fans, where do we go from here?
As Sir Alex once said, now is the time to back the manager. We got what we wanted. Ole out. Now back the new man and all players get a clean slate. Step up or get out. If big players like Bruno don't perform, bench them. I'm not sticking up for the players now. Manager has changed, time for the players to be accountable.
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still too early to judge RR. if Ole can get 3 years. RR can get 6 months. cant expect RR to fix our problem within a month esp with no reinforcement and kayu players. my only ask is for him to keep the armband with CR and Maguire away from starting 11. Fit Jones > Maguire any day. happy for Jones to be back. hope he learnt his lesson and not stick his head into every single challenge on field and risk unnecessary injuries.
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post Jan 4 2022, 05:33 PM

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QUOTE(and85rew @ Jan 4 2022, 05:13 PM)
Haha true...same England and Jones more senior
At leadt Jones he put huge effort (despite the meme face)
Captain Jones? tongue.gif

One question, given that RR is just interim till June
Will he be given money to sign players?
Will the new players signed prior to new manager fit in for the long run?
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hopefully he has identified future manager (Ten Hag) brows.gif and already in agreement with the manager for the next recruit. similar thing to KDB coming in before Pep previously.
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post Jan 5 2022, 12:15 AM

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post Jan 5 2022, 11:42 AM

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fuhh round 2.
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post Jan 5 2022, 11:44 AM

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QUOTE(yhtan @ Jan 5 2022, 11:25 AM)
Look like dressing room problem is bigger now, RR has to deal with it or else  sweat.gif  sweat.gif






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those wanting to leave should be

VDB, Lingard (WHU?), Bailley, Dalot, Martial, Lindelof?
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post Jan 5 2022, 02:38 PM

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QUOTE(skystrike @ Jan 5 2022, 02:26 PM)
rashford form really dropped much since he become activist....more concerned to become politician than perform on field lmao. laugh.gif laugh.gif
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rash can tapao dy if no improve since cant use injury excuse... youth kan ada kayuijo
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post Jan 6 2022, 03:17 PM

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those that make noise should be those that cant play.

henderson
martial
vdb (hope to see him stay to play in ten hag time)
lingard
bailley
lindelof
telles?

time for the younger ones with legs to play
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post Jan 8 2022, 08:57 AM

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post Jan 9 2022, 12:13 AM

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QUOTE(IpohGuyz @ Jan 8 2022, 11:23 PM)
Actually same... pogbas minnow on media does more damage to the team and morale
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QUOTE(silvertoes @ Jan 8 2022, 09:52 PM)




nice threads..
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Maguire. Best captain ever.. the most fight he has is vs greece police
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QUOTE(statikinetic @ Jan 9 2022, 08:12 PM)
It's true. He could have signed elsewhere.
Let's not forget United offered him the most money to join the club compared to what other clubs were offerring.

It is not like he took a paycut to join United.
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silly money... this maguire should just keep quiet and stay away from the starting 11..
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QUOTE(bansai @ Jan 9 2022, 07:58 PM)
He won't dare. Whatever left with his rep will go down the toilet.
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he is 29... maybe one last big contract from him for mino... lets see what role he plays when he rejoined rangnick team
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post Jan 10 2022, 10:04 AM

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According to the club’s official website, Maguire said: “I’m the captain and leader in the dressing room, and I’ve had private conversations with the players and the management which will remain private.
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Club captain Maguire has since publicly revealed that he and his team-mates were up 'for the fight,' although Keane has slammed him as 'talking rubbish'.

While on punditry duty for ITV, in response to Maguire's comments, Keane said: "How many times has he said that? I wouldn't listen too much to what Harry has to say.

"I'll judge a player on what he does on a football pitch, not what rubbish he comes out with about players sticking together and we need to do more.

"Judge a player on what he does on a football pitch and United aren't doing enough.


my captain laugh.gif
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post Jan 10 2022, 12:07 PM

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QUOTE(yhtan @ Jan 10 2022, 11:30 AM)
TBH the players has the fair share of blame as well, u cannot just push everything to Ole. The backroom staff has revamp and yet the problem still afloat. Ole has been sacked, Mckenna and Carrick has left the club, it is time to move on.

Now let Richard Arnold the new CEO to decide who will run the club, from the press it seem he will let the expert to handle football matter and i hope he won't be Kayu 2.0. I have to agree with u, the board has to backup RR or else it will be a disaster, until now i have not heard RR being offer a contract for consultant job for 2 years

Pogba definitely need to leave by this summer, enjoying himself at Dubai at this moment is a bad PR, some more post at his socmed. Now the players can ride on manager head and decide what they want.
Maguire drop one match and start to rebel? TBH Ronaldo is not the core problem in the team
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maguire not droppped leh. he was injured. maybe he angry cause cr ask to up his game. maguire got no standard and he confuse console.gif

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