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 Kedah was not under Siamese rule

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post Nov 1 2021, 09:08 AM

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QUOTE(Doomsday @ Nov 1 2021, 08:09 AM)
So why Kedah used to pay ufti to Siam?
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Protection money for abang kawasan
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post Nov 1 2021, 09:12 AM

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QUOTE(empyreal @ Nov 1 2021, 08:39 AM)
that's poor logic, of course you'd look at materials from other countries to contrast local materials. you cant say 'why didnt the british consult siam on penang?' when they did talk to siam years later on the entirety of kedah.

the best he could say is that kedah was a sovereign kingdom that was a vassal of siam, and argue the significance of tribute. tribute can be a recognition of the other's sovereignty over you, simply protection money, or in the unique system of china, a form of government trade (chinese emperor re-gifted more than what they receive, so kingdoms sent tributes often because its profitable).
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post Nov 1 2021, 09:13 AM

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QUOTE(Cincai lar @ Nov 1 2021, 08:16 AM)
Ahmad Murad Merican ...

ini anak murica  ????

actually Melaka until Temasik (Singapore) was ruled by Siam what,..
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along the way become malay bumi
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post Nov 1 2021, 09:13 AM

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post Nov 1 2021, 09:14 AM

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so a preacher try to change the history....are we going to get history book revised ? Soon this preacher going to say, we win the war over british and japan so british and japan never came here
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post Nov 1 2021, 09:15 AM

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QUOTE(doppatroll @ Nov 1 2021, 09:14 AM)
so a preacher try to change the history....are we going to get history book revised ? Soon this preacher going to say, we win the war over british and japan so british and japan never came here
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Textbook fascist/ dictator wannabes
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post Nov 1 2021, 09:16 AM

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QUOTE(Syeikh Ruler al-Hotzz @ Nov 1 2021, 09:01 AM)
Bangsa mamak maa...unlimited hikmat putaran alam semesta
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these mamak really pandai putar halim I tell you

they are also not local but act like real local knn

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Describing them as “land robbers”, he said they would have grabbed the whole Malay peninsula if they had been given the opportunity.


How true is this?
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post Nov 1 2021, 09:18 AM

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QUOTE(JimbeamofNRT @ Nov 1 2021, 09:16 AM)
these mamak really pandai putar halim I tell you

they are also not local but act like real local knn
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post Nov 1 2021, 09:19 AM

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why the war lost to francis light ?
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post Nov 1 2021, 09:20 AM

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QUOTE(Taikor.Taikun @ Nov 1 2021, 09:18 AM)
Trying hard to become important
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just be proud of yourself lah. why changed to jawi peranakan, jawi pekan, real wtf.
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QUOTE(changejob @ Nov 1 2021, 08:55 AM)
What is "colonised" in Malay?

In google translate, it just say dijajah also.

I don't think Malay makes a different between conquered, and colonized.
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QUOTE(andyng38 @ Nov 1 2021, 09:01 AM)
Hmmm....
I too was under that impression. dijajah = colonized
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Sejarah books don't specifically introduce a specific word for it. It just used 'dikolonisasi' or 'menjadi koloni'.

My dad, who is a historian in Selangor, been talking about the difference between colonised and conquered since I was small. But this only came to the limelight recently. And he just sat back and said 'I told you so'.

But many historians still debating about this. Personally, I do agree that there's a difference between colonised and conquered. The conquered will have no political will, no governance, total assimilation to the conquering nation with their original identities suppressed.

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post Nov 1 2021, 09:22 AM

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QUOTE(JimbeamofNRT @ Nov 1 2021, 09:13 AM)
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basically indian who convert to muslim

along the way become malay bumi
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They are not Indian who convert to muslim.
But one of 1st muslim who travel from India/middle east teach & then convert Malays from Hindu/Buddha to be muslim.
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post Nov 1 2021, 09:22 AM

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QUOTE(azarimy @ Nov 1 2021, 09:21 AM)
Sejarah books don't specifically introduce a specific word for it. It just used 'dikolonisasi' or 'menjadi koloni'.

My dad, who is a historian in Selangor, been talking about the difference between colonised and conquered since I was small. But this only came to the limelight recently. And he just sat back and said 'I told you so'.

But many historians still debating about this. Personally, I do agree that there's a difference between colonised and conquered. The conquered will have no political will, no governance, total assimilation to the conquering nation with their original identities suppressed.
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Colonised and conquered? Whats difference? Is it the method?
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post Nov 1 2021, 09:22 AM

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QUOTE(KrankZ @ Nov 1 2021, 08:27 AM)
y sultan Kedah so diam diam?
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Sultan Kedah the biggest joke of all time when it came to ploteking his kingdom.
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post Nov 1 2021, 09:23 AM

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QUOTE(pretty23 @ Nov 1 2021, 09:19 AM)
why the war lost to francis light ?
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I only know Francis J. Underwood
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post Nov 1 2021, 09:25 AM

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QUOTE(azarimy @ Nov 1 2021, 09:21 AM)
Sejarah books don't specifically introduce a specific word for it. It just used 'dikolonisasi' or 'menjadi koloni'.

My dad, who is a historian in Selangor, been talking about the difference between colonised and conquered since I was small. But this only came to the limelight recently. And he just sat back and said 'I told you so'.

But many historians still debating about this. Personally, I do agree that there's a difference between colonised and conquered. The conquered will have no political will, no governance, total assimilation to the conquering nation with their original identities suppressed.
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OK. Thanks for the insight!
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post Nov 1 2021, 09:27 AM

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QUOTE(azarimy @ Nov 1 2021, 09:21 AM)
Sejarah books don't specifically introduce a specific word for it. It just used 'dikolonisasi' or 'menjadi koloni'.

My dad, who is a historian in Selangor, been talking about the difference between colonised and conquered since I was small. But this only came to the limelight recently. And he just sat back and said 'I told you so'.

But many historians still debating about this. Personally, I do agree that there's a difference between colonised and conquered. The conquered will have no political will, no governance, total assimilation to the conquering nation with their original identities suppressed.
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We definitely didn't have political will or governance. Its all in the hands of the British. Maybe you can argue for Islamic matter yes, but that because the British didn't care for Islam (obviously).

As far for total assimilation, I think many countries in the world were conquered without total assimilation.

Because if you are arguing conquered = total assimilation, I think you can argue that British technically never conquered anyone. Even the Indians retained their identities.

Yet India were clearly under the British empire.

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post Nov 1 2021, 09:30 AM

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QUOTE(Taikor.Taikun @ Nov 1 2021, 09:23 AM)
I only know Francis J. Underwood
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hmm.. more than 300 years later to find back maruah err?

Really maruah dicabar.
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post Nov 1 2021, 09:31 AM

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QUOTE(mcchin @ Nov 1 2021, 09:15 AM)
Textbook fascist/ dictator wannabes
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