QUOTE(Doomsday @ Nov 1 2021, 08:09 AM)
Protection money for abang kawasanKedah was not under Siamese rule
Kedah was not under Siamese rule
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Nov 1 2021, 09:08 AM
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Nov 1 2021, 09:12 AM
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QUOTE(empyreal @ Nov 1 2021, 08:39 AM) that's poor logic, of course you'd look at materials from other countries to contrast local materials. you cant say 'why didnt the british consult siam on penang?' when they did talk to siam years later on the entirety of kedah. Hati Tissue, Maruah di cabarthe best he could say is that kedah was a sovereign kingdom that was a vassal of siam, and argue the significance of tribute. tribute can be a recognition of the other's sovereignty over you, simply protection money, or in the unique system of china, a form of government trade (chinese emperor re-gifted more than what they receive, so kingdoms sent tributes often because its profitable). so .... Saya putar Halim! Rasuah oso can become donasi! Pirates of the CariBN oso da jadi HEROES! #ApaMaluBossKu! |
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Nov 1 2021, 09:13 AM
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Nov 1 2021, 09:13 AM
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"International Islamic University"
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Nov 1 2021, 09:14 AM
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so a preacher try to change the history....are we going to get history book revised ? Soon this preacher going to say, we win the war over british and japan so british and japan never came here
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Nov 1 2021, 09:15 AM
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Nov 1 2021, 09:16 AM
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Nov 1 2021, 09:17 AM
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Describing them as “land robbers”, he said they would have grabbed the whole Malay peninsula if they had been given the opportunity.
How true is this? |
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Nov 1 2021, 09:18 AM
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Nov 1 2021, 09:19 AM
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why the war lost to francis light ?
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Nov 1 2021, 09:20 AM
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QUOTE(Taikor.Taikun @ Nov 1 2021, 09:18 AM) https://www.bharian.com.my/rencana/sastera/...turunan-mericantamil nadu descendant just be proud of yourself lah. why changed to jawi peranakan, jawi pekan, real wtf. |
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Nov 1 2021, 09:21 AM
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QUOTE(changejob @ Nov 1 2021, 08:55 AM) What is "colonised" in Malay? In google translate, it just say dijajah also. I don't think Malay makes a different between conquered, and colonized. QUOTE(andyng38 @ Nov 1 2021, 09:01 AM) Sejarah books don't specifically introduce a specific word for it. It just used 'dikolonisasi' or 'menjadi koloni'. My dad, who is a historian in Selangor, been talking about the difference between colonised and conquered since I was small. But this only came to the limelight recently. And he just sat back and said 'I told you so'. But many historians still debating about this. Personally, I do agree that there's a difference between colonised and conquered. The conquered will have no political will, no governance, total assimilation to the conquering nation with their original identities suppressed. |
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Nov 1 2021, 09:22 AM
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Nov 1 2021, 09:22 AM
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Nov 1 2021, 09:21 AM) Sejarah books don't specifically introduce a specific word for it. It just used 'dikolonisasi' or 'menjadi koloni'. Colonised and conquered? Whats difference? Is it the method?My dad, who is a historian in Selangor, been talking about the difference between colonised and conquered since I was small. But this only came to the limelight recently. And he just sat back and said 'I told you so'. But many historians still debating about this. Personally, I do agree that there's a difference between colonised and conquered. The conquered will have no political will, no governance, total assimilation to the conquering nation with their original identities suppressed. |
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Nov 1 2021, 09:22 AM
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Nov 1 2021, 09:23 AM
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Nov 1 2021, 09:25 AM
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Nov 1 2021, 09:21 AM) Sejarah books don't specifically introduce a specific word for it. It just used 'dikolonisasi' or 'menjadi koloni'. OK. Thanks for the insight!My dad, who is a historian in Selangor, been talking about the difference between colonised and conquered since I was small. But this only came to the limelight recently. And he just sat back and said 'I told you so'. But many historians still debating about this. Personally, I do agree that there's a difference between colonised and conquered. The conquered will have no political will, no governance, total assimilation to the conquering nation with their original identities suppressed. |
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Nov 1 2021, 09:27 AM
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Nov 1 2021, 09:21 AM) Sejarah books don't specifically introduce a specific word for it. It just used 'dikolonisasi' or 'menjadi koloni'. We definitely didn't have political will or governance. Its all in the hands of the British. Maybe you can argue for Islamic matter yes, but that because the British didn't care for Islam (obviously).My dad, who is a historian in Selangor, been talking about the difference between colonised and conquered since I was small. But this only came to the limelight recently. And he just sat back and said 'I told you so'. But many historians still debating about this. Personally, I do agree that there's a difference between colonised and conquered. The conquered will have no political will, no governance, total assimilation to the conquering nation with their original identities suppressed. As far for total assimilation, I think many countries in the world were conquered without total assimilation. Because if you are arguing conquered = total assimilation, I think you can argue that British technically never conquered anyone. Even the Indians retained their identities. Yet India were clearly under the British empire. This post has been edited by changejob: Nov 1 2021, 09:32 AM |
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Nov 1 2021, 09:30 AM
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