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 Kedah was not under Siamese rule

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post Nov 1 2021, 10:31 AM

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QUOTE(chrisweeks @ Nov 1 2021, 09:36 AM)

"In 1813, King Rama II commanded Sultan Ahmad Tajuddin Halim Shah of Kedah to bring the Sultanate of Perak under Siamese control. Sultan Ahmad Tajuddin Halim Shah then sent forces to capture and occupy Perak under the domination of Kedah on behalf of Siam in 1818.[4] This earned Sultan Ahmad Tajuddin Halim Shah a great favor of the Siamese king, who raised the sultan to the rank of Chao Phraya - which was superior to Nakhon Noi the governor of Ligor or Nakhon Si Thammarat who held the rank of Phraya. In 1811, Sultan Ahmad Tajuddin Halim Shah came into conflicts with his brother Tunku Bisnu. Tunku Bisnu approached Phraya Nakhon Noi of Ligor and sought Siamese support. Tunku Bisnu was then made the ruler of Setul. "

Not only was Kedah under Siamese rule, the Kedahan even helped to rogol other states.
Some historian would say Kedah is Siam's anjing.
This IIUM no teach real history ah? Or they drink lot of ketum and syabu same like Sanusi.
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QUOTE(frossonice @ Nov 1 2021, 09:55 AM)
As per the treaty said, "Acknowledged Siamese claims".

This was done without representation of the 5 Malay states.

British need only a guarantee for their expension without interference from Siam. They are not really interested in the legallity of it, whether it exist of not.
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What about what this guy wrote above?
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post Nov 1 2021, 10:34 AM

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The Kedah sultanate, Murad said, was the oldest in the world.


I smell bullshit.
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post Nov 1 2021, 10:40 AM

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QUOTE(JimbeamofNRT @ Nov 1 2021, 10:10 AM)
btw Sultan Ahmad Tajuddin, Sultan Kedah during that time was in exile @ Penang when it happened. he fleed during the 1821 war and was eventually restored to the Kedah Sultanate in 1842 under Siamese suzerainty
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QUOTE(changejob @ Nov 1 2021, 10:31 AM)
What about what this guy wrote above?
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Well, simple term is like other people already said - Vassalage.
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post Nov 1 2021, 10:55 AM

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QUOTE(Doomsday @ Nov 1 2021, 08:09 AM)
So why Kedah used to pay ufti to Siam?
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A vassal state is not the same as " x is under the rule of x"
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post Nov 1 2021, 10:58 AM

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Apa yang saya tahu ialah Kedah dan Kelantan adalah punca Tanah Melayu jatuh ke tangan Jepun dalam Perang Dunia Kedua.
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post Nov 1 2021, 10:59 AM

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Kedah easier to dupe than siam
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Why is our history keep changing, wondered when it will stopped...
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post Nov 1 2021, 11:11 AM

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Malaya under British rule also not 100% british rule. Only the Straits Settlements (Penang, Malacca & Singapore) are. Others are autonomous vassal states under the rule of their local Sultans.
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post Nov 1 2021, 11:14 AM

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(FMT) – As a debate over an annual honorarium rages, a heritage expert has given a brief outline of Penang’s history since Kedah leased it to the British in 1786.

Clement Liang, a council member of Penang Heritage Trust, said Kedah had no territorial right over the island when it agreed to the lease because it was Thailand, then known as Siam, that had sovereignty over it.

Kedah leased it without the Siamese king’s knowledge, he said.

Thai history textbooks and the national museum in Bangkok show that Penang island, or Koh Mak, was the first territory that Siam lost to a western power.

Liang said Saiburi, as Kedah was known then, was in subsequent years raided frequently by the Siamese force for its disobedience. In 1821, a war known as Perang Bisik saw Kuala Kedah destroyed and thousands of Kedahans escaping to Province Wellesley for safety and resettlement.

Siam, not Kedah, lost Penang to the British, says expert
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If we are not going to acknowledge the Sulu claim on Sabah how can we acknowledge this? Next thing you know people will be making stupid claims like they own something because they used to go fishing there. Oh wait China is already doing that.
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Its like a jobless man keep saying he was never bullied in the past.

Focus on finding job lar.. dont feel proud about past and ignore current condition , go bully neighbors somemore.

This post has been edited by alanyuppie: Nov 1 2021, 11:23 AM
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QUOTE(JimbeamofNRT @ Nov 1 2021, 09:34 AM)
Burney Treaty 1826 - The treaty acknowledged Siamese claims over the five northern Malay states of Kedah, Kelantan, Perlis, Terengganu—the future Unfederated Malay States—and Patani.
The treaty further guaranteed British possession of Penang and their rights to trade in Kelantan and Terengganu without Siamese interference.

Anglo-Siamese Treaty of 1909 - Thailand relinquished its claims to sovereignty over Kedah ,Kelantan , Perlis and Terengganu

Article 1
The Siamese government transfers to the British government all rights of suzerainty, protection, administration and control whatsoever which they possess over the states of Kelantan, Tringganu, Kedah, Perlis, and adjacent islands. The frontiers of these territories are defined by the boundary protocol annexed hereto.
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how lah this topkek fella can become professor?
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post Nov 1 2021, 11:23 AM

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kedah is the dog that causes other states to lose power to siam
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post Nov 1 2021, 11:29 AM

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Bayar jer la Penang. Instead of wasting rakyat money on billions dollar of feasibility study that never will materialize.
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post Nov 1 2021, 11:33 AM

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Southern thailand was part of a bunch of malay sultanates until the early 20th century when those sultans got conned by the british and siam
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post Nov 1 2021, 11:38 AM

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Fact is if the British did not forced Siam to ceded Perlis, Kedah, Kelantan & Terenganu to British, those territory will faced the same fate as Satun, Narathiwat & Pattani.
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post Nov 1 2021, 11:41 AM

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Why not.

Holy people - kill people oso remain holy.

OmegeLuL.

Litreally 24/7 cannot tahan to show their 5Head to the world.


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post Nov 1 2021, 11:50 AM

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according to Oxford Cambridge,
Kedah was not conquered by Siam because Kedah was already part of Sukothai Ayutthaya before Siam exist
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miskin tak mahu nak buat kerja , tapi cari sejarah nak tambah pendapatan.

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