QUOTE(xander83 @ Nov 13 2021, 10:33 PM)
maybe they purposely target these ppl... and those migrate overseas then come back to retire because cheap... anyways it's stupid and I wish it fail...
tax for oversea trading /dividend, its become more complicated
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Nov 16 2021, 04:54 PM
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QUOTE(oe_kintaro @ Nov 16 2021, 01:43 PM) Right now I have funds tied to a foreign equities (US) brokerage. I happen to have a SG bank multicurrency account. Would it make sense to just leave it all outside the country? I was thinking of just directing my profits to Singapore after I sell my US stocks instead of bringing it back depends how much and what you need it for... unless you migrate, eventually excess you probably want it back...decision is move some now... or wait n hope the law changes in future in your favor |
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Nov 16 2021, 09:33 PM
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I'm happy to pay tax for new money that hasn't been taxed...
but force me to pay tax twice is too much lah... |
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Nov 16 2021, 10:31 PM
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QUOTE(ozak @ Nov 16 2021, 07:20 PM) I have a foreign debit Visa card and if I take cash from ATM here, do I need to declare? or buy something here. atm cash is remittance lah in a waylocal purchases... imho can argue not remittance or money received locally... but who knows idiots at MOF what they thinking |
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Nov 19 2021, 12:09 PM
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QUOTE(wotvr @ Nov 19 2021, 09:46 AM) I think shouldn't be an issue. I don't think they are able to enforce anything on foreign banks. I don't think we are able to trace the from the numerous foreign bank card ATM withdrawals here in Malaysia. it's up to you to report... IRB don't do any tracing... as long as you don't give them a reason to audit, don't kena random audit, if audit you lucky they don't ask for foreign bank statements, then can continue push your luck evading lor... just make sure nobody knows or nobody whistle blow you to IRB... hahaha |
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Nov 19 2021, 03:55 PM
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QUOTE(tadashi987 @ Nov 19 2021, 01:57 PM) said i don't want to play the luck game but to declare it on my own so as to be able to sleep tight, still, i don't get the HOW to declare LOL our tax form got a box to fill up any other income... just put it there lor... it will follow your tax rate... des why 3% is incentive for ppl but for this 3% need to wait for sop... we hold multiple counters overseas, US ones, SG ones, or even more, these counters declare special dividends/interim dividends et al., US ones are taxed with US withholdings tax, so mean no need to declare to Malaysia? SG ones e.g. SG REITs are not taxed, means need declare in Malaysia? The article sounds ridiculous on "it is found that income kept abroad originating from Malaysia has not been declared", are we all expected to be like professional tax consultants knowing up and down on how to declare? it sounds even more ridiculous the HOW has not been finalized, they already can't wait to have this special programme so to get everyone to remit back ASAP, looks really awkwardly desperate to me. pay tax only when remit back... so you remit 10k... but 9k is capital/profit... 1k is dividend n interest... declare 1k as taxable, and keep the div statements as proof... obviously also keep the capital monies statements as proof as to div from US & SG... we got no tax treaty with US, so by right buta buta double tax...so need to wait n see how... |
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Nov 19 2021, 05:56 PM
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Nov 19 2021, 05:11 PM) Wait. If we never bring money back, need to fill up the section under other income? nope. don't fill if not bringing back foreign source income...Cause I understand it will only be taxed if we bring back. if bring back during the 3% grace period... IRB will likely issue another form to fill and to pay that tax |
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Dec 9 2021, 11:29 AM) https://drive.google.com/file/d/1c0rWG2PHbr...Ep4cnKNT9zuAa2g IRB already doing it...TOS, Hansel, prophetjul, tadashi987, elea88 Govt goint to get access to bank account without notifying us before hand from my understanding. TOS liked this post
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QUOTE(TOS @ Dec 10 2021, 05:24 PM) nothing new... but I don't like the example 1 line of thinking... also no counter arguments... imho... foreign sourced income and foreign savings before 2022 should be tax free when repatriated... the taxable clock should only start on January 1 forward basis on new income... anyways... |
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QUOTE(TOS @ Dec 16 2021, 09:27 PM) https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/dont...%80%94-deloitte a garnishee order.... and ability to freely look and analyze your banking data are 2 different thingsThey need "court order". If you can be informed of the "court order", I wonder why they need to amend the legislation, since asking the bank for details and asking court to approve via garnishee will still result in informing the person (owner of bank account). actually I prefer that they can get access to it themselves... so I don't have to request and pay the banks to print prior years' statements... lol This post has been edited by dwRK: Dec 16 2021, 09:48 PM TOS liked this post
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Dec 21 2021, 04:44 PM) I think,... based on all we have discussed in the many threads here and on the articles posted here in this forum pertaining to this matter, the tax authority will go afer the bigger cashcows first and leave the retail investors last. IRB won't know who is big fish small fish... they have a few things to look out for that will trigger an audit... this give them excuse to dig further... they wanna go after ppl evading taxes... just too bad we are the collateral damage |
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Dec 21 2021, 09:44 PM
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QUOTE(Davidtcf @ Dec 21 2021, 09:24 PM) When come to general election.. You'll know who to vote for. Just hope majority esp those older generation malays can see this and vote correctly. the 3 PM after ajib is worst... lol... my this same reply got nuked by mods last week... lolCountry going to hell with their stupid policies. anyways... Malaysia is known as big money laundering country... so it's really Rakyat the problem... |
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Dec 22 2021, 02:16 AM) I beg to differ on ur first sentence. IRB would have a calculated knowledge on who are the entities who will be initiating remittances back to Msia on a regular basis,... as well as the size of the amts remitted in. They would have noticed quite a few things,... and decided they shld re-enact back the tax ruling that was practised prior to 1974,... I think,... you're agreeing with me actually lah... hahahaI think this regime : called Removal of The FSIE is targetted to produce a new source of income tax collection in this country. It has nothing to do with catching tax-evaders. Catching tax-evaders is a day-in and say-out job for them. I said they have a few things to look out for... and you said regular remittance and size, etc... I kena audit many many times liao, usually trigger by other things... the latest is I bought crypto in 2017... lol ive been saying all along gov bankrupt / poor... so yes it is additional source of income, but this also give IRB extra reach |
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Dec 22 2021, 09:11 AM) My next bet on new tax income streams will be tax on EPF withdrawals above certain quantum. A bit like the US tax on 401k withdrawals. Imagine the millions involved with withdrawals. money put in 401k is before tax lah... so early withdrawal kena tax is only fairMakes me think really hard whether i should start to initiate withdrawing my savings there. money in EPF is post tax... they won't double tax |
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QUOTE(TOS @ Dec 22 2021, 09:49 AM) I would say PNB's ASNB will be taxed first before EPF, since EPF is for "retirement". ASNB on the other hand is just general investment vehicle, so is a more "legitimate" vehicle to tax. Even before PNB's ASNB would probably be local UT/mutual funds. you must remember... these are special schemes... When government desperate for money, everything can be taxed. don't know if you remember... there was a time where bank interests are taxable |
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Dec 22 2021, 10:06 AM) actually I'm slightly wrongemployer's 12% has not been taxed... is business expense. is not counted as your income employee's 6k relief has not been taxed... above this has been taxed des why cannot withdraw before 50/55... 401k can withdraw any time with penalty tax This post has been edited by dwRK: Dec 22 2021, 10:32 AM |
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Dec 22 2021, 02:18 PM) Okay, bro,... you win,... Which means, bro,... emm,... they think you have capacity to pay more taxes,... which in turn means you are a strong-income earner. Frankly, bro,.. if they don't suspect anyone of being a strong-income earner, they won't go after that target-lar,... right ? Waste time meh ? Which then begs the question,... how do they decide who has the capacity to pay more taxes ? From Facebook, INstagram,... I think,.... no idea if they have specific targets... but i've talked to some ppl hauled up for audits... usually small things cause imbalances in their IRB account trigger invitation to yum cha... or suddenly income zero will also trigger... buy/sell properties if you have low/zero income also kena, my neighborhood housewife kena audit because husband bought/sold Toyota corolla in her name... Hansel liked this post
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QUOTE(TOS @ Dec 31 2021, 05:13 PM) Simple finance calculations. 1 million in 2026, assume compounding rate of 6% p.a., shall we. PV*(1.06)^5 = 1 million, PV = 747,258 (about 750k). should do like Ramjade... sell some puts and calls... and lent out your sharesMy assets are nowhere near 100k Mins sharing your discount rate, duration of investment, and future value (or present value)? I regret not doing either for my shares... |
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QUOTE(TOS @ Dec 31 2021, 05:57 PM) He is a rich guy and has good stomach for volatility. when you sell calls... you collect the premiums... only obligated to sell your shares if hit the strike priceI have no regrets, seeing NVDA go up 10% a day and 10% down the other day, compared with S-REITs which barely move above 0.5% in a normal day, the extra return from options is called "risk premium" for a reason. Anyway risk profile differs from people to people. just make sure you already got 100 shares to cover for each contract... and pick a strike price that you are willing to sell at This post has been edited by dwRK: Dec 31 2021, 06:11 PM |
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