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post Nov 14 2021, 12:09 PM

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QUOTE(xander83 @ Nov 13 2021, 10:33 PM)
Most likely will failed because cross border workers will be affected the most  doh.gif
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maybe they purposely target these ppl... and those migrate overseas then come back to retire because cheap... laugh.gif

anyways it's stupid and I wish it fail...
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post Nov 16 2021, 04:54 PM

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QUOTE(oe_kintaro @ Nov 16 2021, 01:43 PM)
Right now I have funds tied to a foreign equities (US) brokerage. I happen to have a SG bank multicurrency account. Would it make sense to just leave it all outside the country? I was thinking of just directing my profits to Singapore after I sell my US stocks instead of bringing it back
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depends how much and what you need it for... unless you migrate, eventually excess you probably want it back...

decision is move some now... or wait n hope the law changes in future in your favor


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post Nov 16 2021, 09:33 PM

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I'm happy to pay tax for new money that hasn't been taxed...

but force me to pay tax twice is too much lah...
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post Nov 16 2021, 10:31 PM

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QUOTE(ozak @ Nov 16 2021, 07:20 PM)
I have a foreign debit Visa card and if I take cash from ATM here, do I need to declare? or buy something here.
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atm cash is remittance lah in a way

local purchases... imho can argue not remittance or money received locally... but who knows idiots at MOF what they thinking
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post Nov 19 2021, 12:09 PM

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QUOTE(wotvr @ Nov 19 2021, 09:46 AM)
I think shouldn't be an issue. I don't think they are able to enforce anything on foreign banks. I don't think we are able to trace the from the numerous foreign bank card ATM withdrawals here in Malaysia.
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it's up to you to report... IRB don't do any tracing...

as long as you don't give them a reason to audit, don't kena random audit, if audit you lucky they don't ask for foreign bank statements, then can continue push your luck evading lor... just make sure nobody knows or nobody whistle blow you to IRB... hahaha

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post Nov 19 2021, 03:55 PM

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QUOTE(tadashi987 @ Nov 19 2021, 01:57 PM)
said i don't want to play the luck game but to declare it on my own so as to be able to sleep tight, still, i don't get the HOW to declare LOL

we hold multiple counters overseas, US ones, SG ones, or even more, these counters declare special dividends/interim dividends et al.,
US ones are taxed with US withholdings tax, so mean no need to declare to Malaysia?
SG ones e.g. SG REITs are not taxed, means need declare in Malaysia?

The article sounds ridiculous on "it is found that income kept abroad originating from Malaysia has not been declared", are we all expected to be like professional tax consultants knowing up and down on how to declare?

it sounds even more ridiculous the HOW has not been finalized, they already can't wait to have this special programme so to get everyone to remit back ASAP, looks really awkwardly desperate to me.
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our tax form got a box to fill up any other income... just put it there lor... it will follow your tax rate... des why 3% is incentive for ppl but for this 3% need to wait for sop...

pay tax only when remit back... so you remit 10k... but 9k is capital/profit... 1k is dividend n interest... declare 1k as taxable, and keep the div statements as proof... obviously also keep the capital monies statements as proof

as to div from US & SG... we got no tax treaty with US, so by right buta buta double tax...so need to wait n see how...

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post Nov 19 2021, 05:56 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Nov 19 2021, 05:11 PM)
Wait. If we never bring money back, need to fill up the section under other income?

Cause I understand it will only be taxed if we bring back.
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nope. don't fill if not bringing back foreign source income...

if bring back during the 3% grace period... IRB will likely issue another form to fill and to pay that tax
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post Dec 9 2021, 01:33 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Dec 9 2021, 11:29 AM)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1c0rWG2PHbr...Ep4cnKNT9zuAa2g
TOS, Hansel, prophetjul, tadashi987, elea88
Govt goint to get access to bank account without notifying us before hand from my understanding.
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IRB already doing it...
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post Dec 10 2021, 10:09 PM

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QUOTE(TOS @ Dec 10 2021, 05:24 PM)
nothing new... but I don't like the example 1 line of thinking... also no counter arguments... laugh.gif

imho... foreign sourced income and foreign savings before 2022 should be tax free when repatriated...

the taxable clock should only start on January 1 forward basis on new income...

anyways...
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post Dec 16 2021, 09:48 PM

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QUOTE(TOS @ Dec 16 2021, 09:27 PM)
https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/dont...%80%94-deloitte

They need "court order". If you can be informed of the "court order", I wonder why they need to amend the legislation, since asking the bank for details and asking court to approve via garnishee will still result in informing the person (owner of bank account).
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a garnishee order.... and ability to freely look and analyze your banking data are 2 different things

actually I prefer that they can get access to it themselves... so I don't have to request and pay the banks to print prior years' statements... lol

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post Dec 21 2021, 09:36 PM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Dec 21 2021, 04:44 PM)
I think,... based on all we have discussed in the many threads here and on the articles posted here in this forum pertaining to this matter, the tax authority will go afer the bigger cashcows first and leave the retail investors last.
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IRB won't know who is big fish small fish... they have a few things to look out for that will trigger an audit... this give them excuse to dig further...

they wanna go after ppl evading taxes... just too bad we are the collateral damage
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post Dec 21 2021, 09:44 PM

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QUOTE(Davidtcf @ Dec 21 2021, 09:24 PM)
When come to general election.. You'll know who to vote for. Just hope majority esp those older generation malays can see this and vote correctly.

Country going to hell with their stupid policies.
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the 3 PM after ajib is worst... lol... my this same reply got nuked by mods last week... lol

anyways... Malaysia is known as big money laundering country... so it's really Rakyat the problem...
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post Dec 22 2021, 09:40 AM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Dec 22 2021, 02:16 AM)
I beg to differ on ur first sentence. IRB would have a calculated knowledge on who are the entities who will be initiating remittances back to Msia on a regular basis,... as well as the size of the amts remitted in. They would have noticed quite a few things,... and decided they shld re-enact back the tax ruling that was practised prior to 1974,... I think,...

I think this regime : called Removal of The FSIE is targetted to produce a new source of income tax collection in this country. It has nothing to do with catching tax-evaders.

Catching tax-evaders is a day-in and say-out job for them.
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you're agreeing with me actually lah... hahaha

I said they have a few things to look out for... and you said regular remittance and size, etc... I kena audit many many times liao, usually trigger by other things... the latest is I bought crypto in 2017... lol

ive been saying all along gov bankrupt / poor... so yes it is additional source of income, but this also give IRB extra reach


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post Dec 22 2021, 09:45 AM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Dec 22 2021, 09:11 AM)
My next bet on new tax income streams will be tax on EPF withdrawals above certain quantum. A bit like the US tax on 401k withdrawals. Imagine the millions involved with withdrawals.
Makes me think really hard whether i should start to initiate withdrawing my savings there.
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money put in 401k is before tax lah... so early withdrawal kena tax is only fair

money in EPF is post tax... they won't double tax
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post Dec 22 2021, 10:09 AM

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QUOTE(TOS @ Dec 22 2021, 09:49 AM)
I would say PNB's ASNB will be taxed first before EPF, since EPF is for "retirement". ASNB on the other hand is just general investment vehicle, so is a more "legitimate" vehicle to tax. Even before PNB's ASNB would probably be local UT/mutual funds. 

When government desperate for money, everything can be taxed. laugh.gif
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you must remember... these are special schemes... wink.gif it's not always about legitimatcy and fairness

don't know if you remember... there was a time where bank interests are taxable
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post Dec 22 2021, 10:29 AM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Dec 22 2021, 10:06 AM)
Issit post tax?  For eg  the employer's portion of 12% is not reported as income?  :confused:
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actually I'm slightly wrong

employer's 12% has not been taxed... is business expense. is not counted as your income

employee's 6k relief has not been taxed... above this has been taxed

des why cannot withdraw before 50/55... 401k can withdraw any time with penalty tax

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post Dec 22 2021, 05:03 PM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Dec 22 2021, 02:18 PM)
Okay, bro,... you win,... biggrin.gif

Which means, bro,... emm,... they think you have capacity to pay more taxes,... which in turn means you are a strong-income earner. Frankly, bro,.. if they don't suspect anyone of being a strong-income earner, they won't go after that target-lar,... right ? Waste time meh ?

Which then begs the question,... how do they decide who has the capacity to pay more taxes ? From Facebook, INstagram,... I think,....
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rclxm9.gif OK buy you teh tarik next time... smile.gif

no idea if they have specific targets... but i've talked to some ppl hauled up for audits... usually small things cause imbalances in their IRB account trigger invitation to yum cha... or suddenly income zero will also trigger... buy/sell properties if you have low/zero income also kena, my neighborhood housewife kena audit because husband bought/sold Toyota corolla in her name...
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post Dec 23 2021, 10:26 AM

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QUOTE(TOS @ Dec 22 2021, 08:44 PM)
You guys know each other in real life?  shocking.gif
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nope biggrin.gif
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post Dec 31 2021, 05:48 PM

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QUOTE(TOS @ Dec 31 2021, 05:13 PM)
Simple finance calculations. 1 million in 2026, assume compounding rate of 6% p.a., shall we. PV*(1.06)^5 = 1 million, PV = 747,258 (about 750k).

My assets are nowhere near 100k  laugh.gif
Mins sharing your discount rate, duration of investment, and future value (or present value)?
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should do like Ramjade... sell some puts and calls... and lent out your shares

I regret not doing either for my shares... wink.gif

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post Dec 31 2021, 06:08 PM

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QUOTE(TOS @ Dec 31 2021, 05:57 PM)
He is a rich guy and has good stomach for volatility. tongue.gif 100 shares for one option trade. AAPL, MSFT etc. easily in the 100-300 USD per share range, which amounts to 20k USD per trade, factor in diversification of 4-5 counters, 100k USD or 400k MYR.

I have no regrets, seeing NVDA go up 10% a day and 10% down the other day, compared with S-REITs which barely move above 0.5% in a normal day, the extra return from options is called "risk premium" for a reason.

Anyway risk profile differs from people to people.
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when you sell calls... you collect the premiums... only obligated to sell your shares if hit the strike price

just make sure you already got 100 shares to cover for each contract... and pick a strike price that you are willing to sell at

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