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 In court, Malaysian govt says Sabah-born man, should not be granted citizenship

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frossonice
post Oct 23 2021, 01:37 PM

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QUOTE(jueiri @ Oct 23 2021, 01:34 PM)
Yiu will surprised the son gonbe sttaight away malay.

Speaks malay language
Follow malay culture
In the religion.

So he's constitutionally malay. First class citizens.
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No. Mother & father PR (say from Indonesia and at least one of them holding PR), baby is a citizen with ethnicity (keturunan) denote as INDONESIA.
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post Oct 23 2021, 01:43 PM

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But bangsa [redacted] just come from neighbour country and get ic a decade ago through cables
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post Oct 23 2021, 01:54 PM

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QUOTE(khusyairi @ Oct 22 2021, 11:06 AM)
I dont think JPN will register illegitimate father in birth cert. It will be blank as usual bcoz no marriage cert.
Only mother name in birth cert.

If can register father as simple like that. Many will not throw out baby to dustbin.
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Honestly I’m born as an illegitimate child, my mum isn’t married but my dad is in my birth certificate
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post Oct 23 2021, 01:56 PM

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Rich people married into politician family one year confirm get citizenship.

This is another thing I will criticise about Malaysia gov, really biased and corrupt about immigration.
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post Oct 23 2021, 02:02 PM

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QUOTE(Srbn @ Oct 22 2021, 10:41 AM)
Izhanudin said Wong had only made a search to one embassy which is the Indonesian embassy, but argued that there were other countries that have Bugis communities other than Indonesia.
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Zimbabwe? Japan?
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post Oct 23 2021, 04:33 PM

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meanwhile bosskukulanjiao era banglasia much
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post Oct 24 2021, 01:02 AM

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QUOTE(frossonice @ Oct 23 2021, 01:37 PM)
No. Mother & father PR (say from Indonesia and at least one of them holding PR), baby is a citizen with ethnicity (keturunan) denote as INDONESIA.
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You betul betul pembaris. According to law is like that but in reality banyak got IC already. My maid and her husband both red IC anak is blue IC.
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post Oct 24 2021, 11:20 AM

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QUOTE(mrg220t @ Oct 24 2021, 01:02 AM)
You betul betul pembaris. According to law is like that but in reality banyak got IC already. My maid and her husband both red IC anak is blue IC.
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According to law, yes, their child is a Malaysian. Memang get blue IC.

But their ethnicity in MyKad will still and forever be noted as INDONESIA.

Yes, there are KETURUNAN = INDONESIA in our system. They cannot set it as MELAYU since they are not.

There are even a lot of true blue Malaysian with KETURUNAN = INDONESIA in their birth certificate.

Before calling somebody pembaris, know the difference between KETURUNAN/ETHNICITY and KEWARGANEGARAAN/CITIZENSHIP that I'm talking about.
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post Oct 24 2021, 11:28 AM

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QUOTE(khusyairi @ Oct 22 2021, 11:06 AM)
I dont think JPN will register illegitimate father in birth cert. It will be blank as usual bcoz no marriage cert.
Only mother name in birth cert.

If can register father as simple like that. Many will not throw out baby to dustbin.
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Children born from unwed parent can still put their father's info in the birth certificate with consent from both parent. They will need to fill in the SECTION G in the LM.01 form and need to have their thumbprints and signature infront of JPN staff.

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In the birth certificate, there will be a note at the bottom of the cert noting that the registration is under Sec 13/10...

For non-muslim, they still can use father's surname if they want or they can just put the child's name.

For muslim, parent can choose to put only the child's name, a combination of child's and father's name (eg, child name Ali, father name Ahmad; become ALI AHMAD) or they can choose among 99 of Allah's name as nasab.

Only mother can register as single parent. Father cannot.
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post Oct 24 2021, 07:36 PM

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QUOTE(frossonice @ Oct 24 2021, 11:28 AM)
Children born from unwed parent can still put their father's info in the birth certificate with consent from both parent. They will need to fill in the SECTION G in the LM.01 form and need to have their thumbprints and signature infront of JPN staff.

user posted image

In the birth certificate, there will be a note at the bottom of the cert noting that the registration is under Sec 13/10...

For non-muslim, they still can use father's surname if they want or they can just put the child's name.

For muslim, parent can choose to put only the child's name, a combination of child's and father's name (eg, child name Ali, father name Ahmad; become ALI AHMAD) or they can choose among 99 of Allah's name as nasab.

Only mother can register as single parent. Father cannot.
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Laws in Borneo is different from Peninsular.
Even ordinance in Sabah & Sarawak is different.
Even U cant be native of Sarawak if only one parent Sarawakian.
That's already in Fed Constitution.
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post Oct 24 2021, 09:04 PM

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QUOTE(khusyairi @ Oct 24 2021, 07:36 PM)
Laws in Borneo is different from Peninsular.
Even ordinance in Sabah & Sarawak is different.
Even U cant be native of Sarawak if only one parent Sarawakian.
That's already in Fed Constitution.
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Nothing to do with being native or not. In JPN system, if for example, you're an Indian from peninsular, married to Iban from Sarawak, the system will let you choose the ethnicity of your child, either Indian or Iban. Same goes with other mix.

Being a native is determined by local Sarawak/Sabah law, not by JPN. JPN cannot decree anything of being any native or even bumiputra or not. That is not JPN's job to do so.

Ethnicity - JPN can let parent choose based on parent's ethnicity.
Native/Bumiputra status - JPN CANNOT determine that. Not in JPN job scope.

This post has been edited by frossonice: Oct 24 2021, 09:05 PM

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