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 In court, Malaysian govt says Sabah-born man, should not be granted citizenship

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andrewhtf
post Oct 23 2021, 02:41 AM

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I have seen with my own eyes : father mother indons, holding MyPR card.

Son got msia IC - warganegara.

Pundeks shouldn't the son remain Indonesian and only allowed myPR card instead of citizenship??
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post Oct 23 2021, 02:49 AM

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Just cut bird get citizenship like d pinoy n banggala.
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post Oct 23 2021, 03:44 AM

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QUOTE(andrewhtf @ Oct 23 2021, 02:41 AM)
I have seen with my own eyes : father mother indons, holding MyPR card.

Son got msia IC - warganegara.

Pundeks shouldn't the son remain Indonesian and only allowed myPR card instead of citizenship??
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Constitution says can.


QUOTE(frossonice @ Oct 23 2021, 12:04 AM)
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This is the simple method to determine citizenship based on our constitution.

In this case, he fall under line 4 of the table above.
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This post has been edited by darth5zaft: Oct 23 2021, 03:45 AM
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post Oct 23 2021, 05:04 AM

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Malaysia is voted in as United Nations Human Rights Council 2022 -2024 term.
UNIVERSAL DECLARATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS 1948:
Article 15 : Everyone has the right to a nationality.
No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his nationality nor denied the right to change his nationality.

There are many cases which KDN do not have the will to solve them after so many years and even appealed against court cases that are not in favour of them. Many other countries are now working towards in reducing statelessness.
Below is a video link which explains why stateless happens and the difficulties they are facing and an uncertain future in Malaysia.

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1262412350854012


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post Oct 23 2021, 05:08 AM

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all dont blame sini sana ler.

"The High Court had on October 21, 2019 recognised that the Malaysia-born Wong is a stateless person, declaring that he is a Malaysian citizen based on the Federal Constitution’s Second Schedule’s Part II’s Section 1(e) — a provision where those born within Malaysia and are not born a citizen of any other country are entitled under the law to Malaysian citizenship"

imagine the floodgate open if the authority was not strict.

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post Oct 23 2021, 06:31 AM

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QUOTE(COOLPINK @ Oct 22 2021, 10:50 AM)
meanwhile others not born or even related to merehsian are granted........
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Project ic is normal in borneo ..alot pinoy but liligion card get ic
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post Oct 23 2021, 06:40 AM

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QUOTE(khusyairi @ Oct 22 2021, 10:57 AM)
This man problem is that he cant prove his father is a Malaysian. His father is not married, no cert. Then he born in Sabah instead of Sarawak where his father is. His father also died, mean his father also cant help to proof it.

very2 hard...
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Yes. Very hard.
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post Oct 23 2021, 07:20 AM

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NRD general and home minister paling tak guna punya olang
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post Oct 23 2021, 07:56 AM

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QUOTE(pfizer @ Oct 23 2021, 06:40 AM)
Yes. Very hard.
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If he is able to locate his Malaysian father, it will be hard as there will be more hurdles such as illegitimacy act and others.

The high court has decided but Govt decided to appeal against it, same as the one below.

https://www.malaymail.com/news/malaysia/202...affling/2008328

Not all cases are considered as a security threat where illegals trying to gain citizenship.

Those in the news, they apply through the proper channels article 15A(below 21 years old), most are genuine. eg: improper documentation due to ignorance, late marriage registration to a foreign wife where the oldest child is stateless but the others are malaysians, born out of wedlock where the mother is not a Malaysian but taken care by the Malaysian father, mothers married to foreigners who want their kids to be malaysians & kids/babies abandoned without documents that are being adopted by Malaysian families.

The blame game will always go to the parents or the adoptive parents, but never considered the humanitarian side of the child growing up stateless even though going to Malaysia schools and live the Malaysian way of life.

The home minister or KDN should not view, people like Wong and others who apply via 15A as security threat but more on humanitarian grounds and how they can contribute to Malaysia in the future. Then this type of court cases will not happen.

The below, case took him 19 years to become a citizen of Malaysia.

https://www.malaymail.com/news/malaysia/202...malaysi/1899272
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post Oct 23 2021, 08:36 AM

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i don't get why some of you are so racist. insinuating if he is this or that, for sure he will be granted citizenship. yet, at the same time criticizing easy citizenship being given to others. sounds to me like you want the rules to be strict...but lax for him. why? because you believe him being Chinese (name) is being marginalised? or because you despise racism, well, unless it is in your favour?

have you seen him? he looks Chinese to you? you believe his father is Chinese? if your job is to approve or reject citizenship applications, would you approve merely based on sob stories, no proof needed. strict or lax...which one? approving his would also set a precedent...

btw, PR != citizenship. some of you all simply round everything under citizenship.
lemme guess, he also brings nothing to the table... as in no talent/potential/money/etc.
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post Oct 23 2021, 10:33 AM

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QUOTE(frossonice @ Oct 23 2021, 12:04 AM)
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This is the simple method to determine citizenship based on our constitution.

In this case, he fall under line 4 of the table above.
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pr and foreign father has better right than citizen. basically, male citizen is been discriminated.

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post Oct 23 2021, 10:40 AM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Oct 23 2021, 10:33 AM)
pr and foreign father has better right than citizen. basically, male citizen is been discriminated.
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Tengok skin color la. If those same skin color one can get punya.
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QUOTE(mrg220t @ Oct 23 2021, 10:40 AM)
Tengok skin color la. If those same skin color one can get punya.
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apartheid country.

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post Oct 23 2021, 11:36 AM

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QUOTE(darth5zaft @ Oct 23 2021, 03:44 AM)
Constitution says can.
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Dayummmmm
frossonice
post Oct 23 2021, 01:28 PM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Oct 23 2021, 10:33 AM)
pr and foreign father has better right than citizen. basically, male citizen is been discriminated.
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We need DNA verification as part of our verification method to make into the law. Until then, the excuse given is that no baby can come out from a man so basically when registering a baby, there is always need to prove the mother's identity, not necessarily the father.

You can register a baby under single mother status (no husband/man) but you cannot register under single father status.

Thus the law effectively look at mother's status in regards of citizenship in cases of unmarried couple registering a baby.

In case some may ask, what about abandon baby? The baby will be register without parents info and registered under citizenship status - "belum ditentukan".
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post Oct 23 2021, 01:31 PM

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QUOTE(mrg220t @ Oct 23 2021, 10:40 AM)
Tengok skin color la. If those same skin color one can get punya.
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Jangan buat cerita bodo. Abandon baby even 100% sure a malay pun, they will get birth certificate with citizenship status "belum ditentukan".

Many malay guy married to siamese woman in Thailand but not registered back their marriage here in Malaysia end up having their kids as non citizen.

Heck, even a baby born out of wedlock by a malay guy and an indonesian woman also the baby end up becoming non-citizen.

Ingat semua staf gomen ni racist sangat ke.

This post has been edited by frossonice: Oct 23 2021, 01:35 PM
haroldz123
post Oct 23 2021, 01:33 PM

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Kalo convert confirm warganegara
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post Oct 23 2021, 01:34 PM

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QUOTE(andrewhtf @ Oct 23 2021, 02:41 AM)
I have seen with my own eyes : father mother indons, holding MyPR card.

Son got msia IC - warganegara.

Pundeks shouldn't the son remain Indonesian and only allowed myPR card instead of citizenship??
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Yiu will surprised the son gonbe sttaight away malay.

Speaks malay language
Follow malay culture
In the religion.

So he's constitutionally malay. First class citizens.

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