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Wedchar2912
post Aug 14 2023, 05:06 PM

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QUOTE(confusedway @ Aug 14 2023, 04:12 PM)
Today spending is only about 4k a month exclude all the kids related expenses, tax, saving plan, even insurance...
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Then you will definitely notice the uplift in the standard of your spending power. 4K to 7.4K is almost 90% increase.

Why not you try to pick a month and do the experiment. Try to spend extra 3K rm to see its comfortable or not. smile.gif

I think you need to factor in the medical portion of the insurance still.
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post Aug 15 2023, 09:17 PM

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QUOTE(Watta?? @ Aug 15 2023, 07:13 PM)
Well I'll just say I'm not your average 31yr old if I can manage to RE at this age.. I used to work 18-20hrs a day 7 days a week from 23-27 and even fell asleep behind the wheel and got into a car accident on my way back to office one day, then managed to climb to c-level position in a local plc since I was  27.

So I guess feeling burnt out at this age seems right for me.. Also coupled with the extreme toxicity, politics, backstabbing and betrayal by the owners of my current company eventhough I made them extremely rich this year.. Yeah this is really tiring..

I'm not really sure about FI though since I have to nibble at my capital monthly as I don't really have any passive income generating tools.

Still considering though.. Don't want to get myself into a financial mess by a rash decision made.
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Don't have to decide on RE yet....

Do a stock check on your financials... get your monthly expenditures and see if your networth is enough to cover your expenditures (FIRE movement love to use the rule of 25. Ie yearly expenditure x 25 <= networth).

If that passes, your are at least in the FI camp. Then now you can be confident to explore what you want to do...

btw, being FIRE doesn't really mean must retire. can work part time or at a job of lesser stress.
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post Aug 16 2023, 11:26 AM

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QUOTE(kochin @ Aug 16 2023, 09:22 AM)
i think i marginally pass this test. hehehe but my phobia is i am not that old hence 25 years may be a tad too short.
and my networth is also partially illiquid.
but then again i am pumping my expenditures to a little bit of ridiculous levels...... lol
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great situation to be in... means FI is there already. Don't have to RE until you reach a more comfortable ratio... some buffer if you will.. maybe 33 or 40 years?
Illiquid is fine really, as long as you keep like a year to a few years of expenditures for liquidity. stocks, bonds or even EPF > 1 million are considered liquid funds.

(40 years multiplier is very safe, as it means withdrawing 2.5% only)

I personally was quite conservative... I continued working for a while even after reaching FI as it was quite easy to snake around in my firm if one doesn't really care about reputation anymore.... tongue.gif biggrin.gif
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post Aug 16 2023, 11:43 AM

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QUOTE(Watta?? @ Aug 16 2023, 11:14 AM)
mine is 4.05% currently, well im not fully invested at the moment, still having cash on the sidelines
so might as well utilise the flexi facility instead of just letting my cash sit idle or in a money market fund which still returns lower than 4.05%
i need instant access to my cash when required thats why got not much of a choice.. unless you can recommend me something that can generate higher than 4.05% with a withdrawal time of T+1
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Looks like what you need is to have someone financially savvy whom you can really trust, or a financial planner (yeah, I know, the real problem is how to find such a person) to do a financial audit on you and come up with a executable plans to deploy and rebalance your portfolio.

many of us here likes to just simplify everything down to a number called networth and then plan/execute around that. The planner can do that for you. Even just optimizing by 1% can mean opening up a lot more options for you.


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post Aug 16 2023, 11:50 AM

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QUOTE(em_on @ Aug 16 2023, 11:39 AM)
the last statement of yours, are you referring to this similar kind scenario?  hmm.gif  tongue.gif

https://www.statista.com/chart/30591/perfor...roductive-work/
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haha.... yeah, it is.....

if you were to ask me, my old firm was even worse than India... and mine is a MNC. So i can only imagine gov offices and GLCs etc.

Something that only needs 15 minutes to complete, somehow will take whole day if lucky. So all i did after I decided to be part of the culture is to dial down my personal efficiency to the firm's average and suddenly, I was just working literally 30 minutes only in the morning.


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post Aug 16 2023, 01:26 PM

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QUOTE(em_on @ Aug 16 2023, 12:52 PM)
what an unproductive day  doh.gif 

I reckon you'd left the firm ?
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or you can say it was a damn productive day... I completed what is expected of a staff of my position well within the average time allotted. It is just that I choose not to let others know the work was completed. lol
The kicker is that I managed to continue such charade for many years!

left a few years ago.... RE already.
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post Aug 16 2023, 01:30 PM

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QUOTE(Rinth @ Aug 16 2023, 12:59 PM)
well my calculation based on the info he given. of course its just for ilustration purposes. earning RM 50k active income & 13k passive income but spend RM 10k? i think 90% of people cant do that.
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Usually this happens when the income increase is sudden, and the person didn't have the time to adjust naturally his/her spending pattern.

Most of the time people notice this during the transition from student life to working life if the starting pay is decent. Ie earning 4 to 5K pm but still live like a student.


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post Aug 16 2023, 03:58 PM

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QUOTE(Lembu Goreng @ Aug 16 2023, 03:48 PM)
Why are you talking about joining back in the workforce or leaving it all behind?

I was pointing out to the part that you say you are damn laku (get headhunters call you weekly, 50% increment etc) and can easily jump ship
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watta?? , Lembu Goreng is right. It does sound that the current firm is getting on your nerve. You should just jump to another firm for the 50% increment. If nothing else, this will help tremendously and may even allow you OBESE Fire (ie even fatter than FAT Fire)


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post Aug 16 2023, 06:08 PM

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QUOTE(Watta?? @ Aug 16 2023, 04:09 PM)
well part of the reason im not leaving yet is my current employer still owes me 300k project completion bonus..
do u think i'll throw away that 300k and just jump ship for a mere 50% increment?
unless i get so fed up that i jus leave and serve them a legal letter demanding payment
exactly  rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ Aug 16 2023, 11:43 AM)
Looks like what you need is to have someone financially savvy whom you can really trust, or a financial planner (yeah, I know, the real problem is how to find such a person) to do a financial audit on you and come up with a executable plans to deploy and rebalance your portfolio.

many of us here likes to just simplify everything down to a number called networth and then plan/execute around that. The planner can do that for you. Even just optimizing by 1% can mean opening up a lot more options for you.
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Recall my earlier suggestion to you engaging someone or maybe get a mentor to help you sort out your dilemma? already sensed that there are more to this than meets the eye.

I think you also know or suspect... if your firm/owners choose not to pay you the 300K, despite the project being completed and the project is of notional value above 100s to couple of 100s million, something is wrong already. owing you 300K when the project was 120 million.... you would know any cashflow problems better than any of us here.

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QUOTE(hksgmy @ Aug 16 2023, 07:47 PM)
After he’s done PM/DM’ing you, please private message me too. 20% conservative returns, I don’t mind swapping SGD for RM and using that to invest before swapping back. Hehehe.
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wah... the T0.01 wants it, I also wants it too... smile.gif

can can share? With Watta??'s permission of course....

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post Aug 16 2023, 07:55 PM

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QUOTE(Watta?? @ Aug 16 2023, 07:00 PM)
Ohhh sorry missed your reply earlier, yup I do have a mentor that I work closely with on my issues faced at the moment, he's been great help to me since my early career days until what I've achieved today.

Definitely I know the owners are playing games, now it's just a chess game to see who makes the next move and what it is. Cash flow wise definitely not a problem with projects that size, it is just the corporate game being played which I'm sick and tired of only

As for financial wise, Im doing fine myself, I've met multiple private bankers/fund managers/financial advisors but none of them able to confidently give me advise on what to do to outperform what I'm getting now since 10-20% is on the conservative side, the run up from early this year till now basically doubled my portfolio and cashed out partially to my war chest waiting to be redeployed.
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sometimes, we all invest in low expected return products just for diversification sake. Like cash for liquidity sake... 10 to 20% conversative return is fantastic... can share what it is, if its not a trade secret?

edit: tq for sharing... you replied while I was replying.

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post Aug 19 2023, 01:02 PM

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QUOTE(Elonor89 @ Aug 19 2023, 12:30 PM)
Owh.. i have about 390k in my EPF .. but since its meaningless till the age of 55, i did not include it . icon_rolleyes.gif
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I used to do that when I was below 30 years old. But in a blink of an eye, suddenly I am older...

ie do count it in your retirement planning, as it is better and in some sense, as safe as a 20 year MGS. It is yours (yeah yeah, ignore the idiots who said don't know if EPF is still there when you reach 55. My dad also remember he was told that back in 1970s)
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post Aug 21 2023, 02:09 PM

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QUOTE(batman1172 @ Aug 21 2023, 01:29 PM)
it assumes the chinese is giving money to children and the children is not reinvesting it while the westerners use investment linked life insurances which I think grows x% over time. it isn't a fair comparision. my Mandrin isn't strong correct me please
Might be different culture but also tax systems because of inheritance tax
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lol... most probably the article is trying to convince readers to buy life insurance.

What I know is in the states (and I guess many countries in EU as well, since it is western world), many uses life insurance to bypass estate tax.
It is also used to ensure no one else can touch the funds, in event of bankruptcy.
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post Aug 22 2023, 10:55 PM

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QUOTE(kochin @ Aug 22 2023, 08:25 PM)
been getting some shit from my bosses recently and really trying times.

so can i fire?

conservatively, my fixed and unfixed passive income is nearly double my yearly expenses.
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Technically you should be able to fire, since the whole idea is as long as one can cover one's expenses comfortably, one can already fire. Let alone the extra buffer you have.

But the real question is more if you feel confident enough to take the leap?
some other questions just to think through:
how secure is your fixed and unfixed passive income is? are their diversified or highly correlated? Will their amount slowly increase in time to counter the effect of inflation?
Plus how many more years do you expect to live and any forseeable future expenses? (like kid's education).


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post Sep 1 2023, 10:38 AM

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QUOTE(batman1172 @ Sep 1 2023, 10:14 AM)
I always consider epf as fixed income like bonds. Am I wrong? It feels more like bonds than stocks.
However my properties feels more like stocks.
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Because there is a explicit minimum return of 2.5% pa by gov of Malaysia.
Ie a free call option by gov
Ie Max (2.5%, whatever actual Epf return)

Enjoy the free option while it's there. Haha.
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QUOTE(hksgmy @ Sep 3 2023, 12:35 PM)
You're right! I clearly remember my father opening the letter from MBSB and showing me the interest on the mortgage of our house - 10% was normal back then!
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We need to keep the property bubble alive.... everywhere.... 30% downpayment change all the way to 10% downpayment, then change to 5% and then 0% and maybe negative under the table...

keep rates low... inflation doesn't exist... it is all fake news.

rclxms.gif all started from Greenspan's time, if not earlier.
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QUOTE(fuzzy @ Nov 8 2023, 05:53 PM)
They asked mass affluent segment, those that is on median CURRENTLY carrying a net worth of MYR4-5mil.

Which is why they say they want at least MYR4mil to retire comfortably, because they already living this kind of lifestyle now.
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their definition of mass affluent is targeted towards developed country's "mass" "affluent". Not our country's affluent segment...

our affluent group is actually quite poor, especially the bottom affluent group. nod.gif
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QUOTE(fuzzy @ Nov 8 2023, 08:12 PM)
Cannot be, according to all here retirement fund must be USD1-2mil wor, else how to survive 😂
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haha....

I think we all need at least USD 2 million to retire... I round round it up to RM 10 million.
Spend per year 5% sap sap easy also means 500K rm. that is only 40K rm per month of spending money (tax free btw). I also feel its not enough.

lol... no wonder some did say need 10 million to retire here. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Nov 9 2023, 02:17 PM)
According to wealth reports, less than 0.5% of adults in this country have over USD 1m net worth.
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hehe..... which part of the phrase "mass affluent" makes sense for us here in Malaysia.... biggrin.gif

HSBC report really funny.... doh.gif
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post Nov 9 2023, 06:30 PM

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QUOTE(hksgmy @ Nov 9 2023, 05:02 PM)
Well, we consider ourselves part of the “mass affluent” crowd in Singapore.

By that I suppose we would consume the usual suspects but at a mid/entry level, spending within our comfort zone from the spare cash we have in our kitty, while leaving the capital untouched to generate more passive income.

Example at hand:

A Submariner, not a Daytona - and a Macan, not a 911 (at least not in Singapore anyway haha).

Edited to remove the photos. I forgot this isn’t /kopitiam and there’s no need to demonstrate photographic proof to a mature audience haha
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if I recall correctly, you are definitely not in any "affluent" category... beyond HNWI even.... you are in the UHNWI category, thanks to USDSGD conversion.... biggrin.gif rclxms.gif

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