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Wedchar2912
post Sep 27 2025, 02:32 PM

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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Sep 27 2025, 02:28 PM)
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Bonds dont need bragging rights.......they just keep paying quietly.. laugh.gif
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So your point is bonds is a boring asset class and hence hardly anyone talking about it?
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post Sep 27 2025, 08:17 PM

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QUOTE(Cubalagi @ Sep 27 2025, 03:22 PM)
1. Epf is fixed price, bonds are not fixed price (unless held to maturity). Interest rates go up, bond prices fell. Interest rates go down, bond prices up. If there is a recession, interest rate will go down a lot. And bond prices should go up much more. Then switch to buy equities cheap. That the theory. If no recession and rates are stable, just enjoy the yield. The risk is inflation spiking up and interest rates going up but I dont expect this in the near term.

2. A mix of all those reasons. Im abt 3 years close to my retirement age target, so Im more defensive. I dont want any big drawdowns till that date esp since markets are so high.. If there is a big drawdown, then I might feel the need to delay my retirement. Dont want that. Better be slow and steady.

Also, yields were very attracfive since last 2-3 year. Bonds allow u to lock the rate. Unlike cash. Now yield are somewhat less attractive, but still not bad.

Finally it also aligns with my macro view that yields are coming down.

3. 7% is my estimate for the year, not YTD. It could be higher if there is a recession. Also my bonds are mostly non-MYR. Part of it has currency hedge, but not all. So big FX swings could also change this.

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tq for sharing the rationale... I understand better now why you’re holding such a large % in bonds.

When you mentioned "Part of it has currency hedge", do you mean some of the bond funds you hold are already MYR-hedged? Or you do your own hedging separately? If the latter, curious how you go about it.

This has been one of my small frustrations this year: our ringgit strengthening from 4.5x to 4.2x (~6% appreciation) has eaten into the returns of my overseas portfolio when viewed from MYR.
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post Sep 29 2025, 11:49 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Sep 29 2025, 11:43 AM)
That's why I make my future wife live my life. Intermittent fasting, less junk food for her, 24H fast on and off. Good healthy food. So savings on good healthy food like high quality extra virgin olive oil, 100% raw cacao, japanese green tea.
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But what about things that is completely out of control? like accidents?

I still believe you can chill a bit by upping your expenses a bit... say 1K rm pm...
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post Sep 29 2025, 11:50 AM

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QUOTE(Cubalagi @ Sep 29 2025, 11:47 AM)
Me..since 2017 when gold was around RM180 gram. Now i have also included silver in my portfolio.
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but you hoarding physical or synthetic/digital/paper? if the latter, how is the question....

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post Sep 29 2025, 11:55 AM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Sep 29 2025, 11:31 AM)
I just read this, few minutes ago.
The actions of these Japanese men (kind of very similar to one of the forumer in here).
....He has lived an extremely frugal life for years.....saved US$440,000, and another man saved US$910,000

"A 67-year-old Japanese man ( Suzuki ) who has focused on saving money for decades, including not using an air-conditioner and shunning restaurant meals, cooked for himself and took a lunchbox to the office every day, usually containing bean sprouts and chicken.

Suzuki has lived an extremely frugal life for years.
[b]( While someone here said he lived as B40 while earned as top M20/T20). [b]


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https://www.scmp.com/news/people-culture/ar...rets-retirement

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Since we are at this conundrum, what if that someone is living as T10 to T02 level, but in reality income is like T(0.5%)...
(the spread is way bigger than B40 vs T20 in ringgit amount).
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post Sep 30 2025, 10:45 AM

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QUOTE(MGM @ Sep 30 2025, 10:16 AM)
Lets say u achieve FATFIRE by 40yo, n your children just starting primary education, would u still live B40? Assuming by then u r still actively investing n profiting.
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let them live a 20K rm pm T05 lifestyle can? (since median T10 number is around 20K rm).... haha... icon_idea.gif
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post Oct 3 2025, 12:01 PM

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QUOTE(romuluz777 @ Oct 3 2025, 11:43 AM)
Singaporeans claim they need 1.4 usd to retire... ie around 6M rm

here, so many claim we need 5M rm in epf to retire... lol

did SG underestimate or we here overestimate? hmm.gif
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post Oct 3 2025, 03:16 PM

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QUOTE(romuluz777 @ Oct 3 2025, 03:05 PM)
Due to vast differences in standards and cost of living I guess
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As in our standard is higher than SG?
Cos I think our cost is lower right?

Maybe mismatch understanding on what is retirement.
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post Oct 3 2025, 04:02 PM

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QUOTE(Cubalagi @ Oct 3 2025, 03:35 PM)
What if the family member actually earns RM300k per anum and only spends RM30k for himself and family? Good or bad?
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I really think that is really rare... I can only think of bro Ramjade and some old fire bloggers from 2000s and 2010s.
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post Oct 4 2025, 01:09 PM

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QUOTE(magika @ Oct 4 2025, 11:16 AM)
A decade or so ago when i just came into the forum, i said we need  at least 4 million for fire and everyone laugh at me. Fast forward to now, some even says need 10 million.
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hmmm, I think back then your "at least 4 million" statement was just a bit too broad. u were refering to value of money back in 2010, whilst others maybe looking at future number money.
Ie if we take 4 million in 2010 and compound it at 5% a year, that’s already about 8 million today. So it consistent why some now say 8 or 10 million.

People also feel inflation and lifestyle shifts differently. What felt comfortable back then might not cut it now. Pretty sure, come 2040, we'll probably see someone else saying, "You need 16 to 20 million for FIRE!" and the whole cycle repeats again.

Still, in all seriousness, back in 2010, having 4m is "more than enuf" to fire... in 2025, 4m is "enuf" to fire... as long as that 4m can generate adequate income to cover expenses whether in 2010 or 2025. But their value is diff, if you get what I mean.

(tldr: the number has to be indexed to the year)

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post Oct 5 2025, 03:17 PM

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QUOTE(dwRK @ Oct 5 2025, 07:31 AM)
bro guy3288... most ppl already live a b40 lifestyle... nothing wrong being frugal without luxuries... in bro ramjade case, he is being selective only spending money on healthy food and private school, etc...

as for time, he is not working 3 jobs 14 hr day not spending time with family... he is probably doing a most relaxed job to meet parents expectation and tax benefits...

as for fire... at 40, he has 20 yrs of extra "9 to 5" time to spend on himself n wive that would otherwise be given to some company... buying back time in this respect...
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A great description of what a true FIRE lifestyle looks like, as practised by bro ramjade.

Let's not forget, even after "retiring" at 40, he is hardly idle. He simply has full control over his trinity of [time, energy, and money]: total freedom to choose how to spend each.

And just for context. With around 500K rm (in 2025) generating 10 to 15K pm, that's already a solid passive income setup. Fast forward to his projected 4M by 2033–2035 (at age 40), even if he halves his risk appetite, he's still talking about 40 to 60K rm pm potential income. (hint hint bro ramjade... this is very possible)

Some people call that "early retirement", I call that living life on your own terms, with dividends and option strategies attached.
And yes, teaching those skills to his kids? That’s achieving second-gen FIRE before they even hit 18. (isn't that what nobilities and royalties do... in a sense? lol)

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post Oct 5 2025, 08:59 PM

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QUOTE(!@#$%^ @ Oct 5 2025, 05:28 PM)
i think those who wanna fire have very good discipline to stop active income. always thought ppl will think money never be enough, no matter which level
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Some people really believe money is everything... a few act like they are gonna live forever... Then there are others who just want balance -- and FIRE is one of the ways to get there.

Ironically, some of those who did FIRE end up with their passive income snowballing way beyond their old salaries. So what now -- is that called having the cake, eating it, and watching it bake more cakes on its own? thumbup.gif

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post Oct 6 2025, 06:50 PM

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Wah... reading all these posts about parents already planning FIRE for their kids. That’s when you know the FIRE movement in Malaysia has truly made it. Some folks’ plans so solid until can start worrying about their kids' retirement before the kids even start working. That’s not financial freedom. that’s financial dynasty/nobility. notworthy.gif

Meanwhile, the few still preaching the "work till 60, climb the ladder, collect gold watch" mindset... so last century. Then again, each to their own...
btw, anyone still wearing a watch just to tell time?? lol

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QUOTE(MGM @ Oct 6 2025, 11:27 AM)
International school + overseas Uni total cost would be >rm 1mil per child.
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Sometimes I wonder... purely from financial pov... what if we could turn back time to when we were 17.
Suppose we had two options:
a) Study local all the way and receive RM1 million cash
b) Go overseas for studies

Which path would have put us further ahead financially by the time we hit 40?

That RM1 million, compounded at just 6% a year, becomes about RM4 million by age 40.
So for the overseas route to make sense purely from a financial angle, the extra earnings from that foreign degree must at least bridge that RM4 million gap.

Makes one wonder which "education" really paid better. the classroom one or the compounding one.
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QUOTE(lock_82 @ Oct 6 2025, 07:06 PM)
The best route is get a scholarshio oversea and you can pocket the 1M IF we can turn back time.
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blink.gif hmm.gif

option c: get full overseas scholarships and pocket the 1m from parents...

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post Oct 6 2025, 08:58 PM

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QUOTE(!@#$%^ @ Oct 6 2025, 08:30 PM)
there are other benefits other than accumulating money. once one retires, the mind becomes more idle than usual, and that's when all the diseases come. just look at dr m, who has never stopped 'working'.
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Yet another fallacy… as if “retirement” automatically equals mental decay. tongue.gif
I suppose for some, if their only sense of purpose comes from being on the corporate hamster wheel, then yeah... idleness might feel like death. sad.gif

PM4 as an example? Come on lah… at this point, he’s not exactly working... more like stirring the pot for entertainment value. Pretty sure that’s not the kind of work/job/occupation you meant. wink.gif


A less controversial but popular example people love to use is Buffett...
Then by that logic, I'm not retired either... since I love doing what Buffett does. brows.gif


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QUOTE(!@#$%^ @ Oct 6 2025, 09:03 PM)
if u have been to hospitals and old folks home u will understand. if u just eat and sleep then mind will slowly float away. post-retirement still need some proper hobby etc, not just money to eat and sleep. just saying continuing to work is just one of the many ways to kill time and remain active. many become grab drivers etc to remain active.

on the side note, actually i was trying to say his mind is actively scheming.
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haha... ok... understand.... don't worry, I am also actively scheming.... on how to grow my pot.... icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(MGM @ Oct 6 2025, 09:12 PM)
If i could do that i would choose A, d savings in 80s may be could buy 40 acres of land which is worth 10mil today.
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Hence, I guess that is why more and more of us are asking: is overseas education really worth that million-ringgit price tag anymore, or just an expensive ego trip?

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post Oct 7 2025, 01:43 PM

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I actually planned my FIRE long before I even knew the term existed... back in school days, thanks to a few of my profs. Long story short, it’s really just the trinity of [energy, time, and wealth], tied neatly to the life cycle hypothesis of savings vs consumption. The “FIRE” label only gotten popular in 2010s thereabout thanks to bloggers.

As for the extra hours... pretty much anything I want, within the usual family boundaries (you know what I mean laugh.gif ). It’s like having a bigger fridge now... the essentials are always there, but there is space to fill it however I like (within reason, of course). And like every fridge, it will end up full anyway. nod.gif

The one thing I can truly stick to now is exercising... maybe this is what it means to convert energy + time → wealth… and in this case, health is the real wealth.

RamJade bro, yeah, maybe can add health into the mix and call it a Quaternity icon_idea.gif



QUOTE(jasontoh @ Oct 7 2025, 08:54 AM)
Do you FIRE because you wanted to or because of some circumstances? If without those circumstances will you still FIRE or continue to work?

Was wondering as well. Sometimes I try to clear AL I also not sure what to do with the extra hours away from work
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QUOTE(Cubalagi @ Oct 6 2025, 10:16 PM)
So what dods a typical day of a 40s yo FIRE person look like? A weekday when other people is at work for example.
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QUOTE(jasontoh @ Oct 7 2025, 03:39 PM)
So within 4 years get additional 1M even though FIRE?  hmm.gif
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This is the result of a Fire plan well executed. 20% growth in aum despite no active income.


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