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Cubalagi
post Aug 15 2023, 12:16 PM

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Im feeling strong urge to joining this FIRE bandwagon 😃

Im a 49 yo corporate slave, and all this while, my target is to retire at about 55 (maybe can stretch an extra year), which is stil earlier than the mandatory 60.

But of late, big corporate politics is getting to me n starting to affect health.

Now thinking to RE next year.
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post Aug 15 2023, 03:39 PM

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QUOTE(hksgmy @ Aug 15 2023, 02:39 PM)
It’s never too late to start! Welcome onboard!
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post Aug 30 2023, 10:32 AM

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QUOTE(jutamind @ Aug 29 2023, 09:27 PM)
Not sure whether this is the right thread for my question below.

For someone in the early 50s, is the asset allocation of 68% EPF & ASNB fixed price funds, 16% local equities and 16% foreign equities considered too conservative assuming the risk profile is moderate/moderately aggressive?

If it's too conservative, is it wise to sell off fixed price funds as we might not be able to buy it back later?
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One advice Ive seen is that ones equity exposure should be 100 minus current age.This is US centric tho.

Looking at your portfolio of 32% equities n 68% fixed funds. Bear in mind that EPF is actually about 60:40 (40% being equities) whereas Asnb fixed funds have even higher equities allocation (at least 70% equities). In this context, you are aggressive enough I think.

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post Aug 31 2023, 03:10 PM

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QUOTE(jutamind @ Aug 30 2023, 08:41 PM)
Ah never thought of seeing EPF and ASNB funds in terms of Allocation that way. Good insights.
Local equities are mainly dividend stocks and local REITS to generate cashflow.

I would say cashflow generated with current portfolio is enough to sustain current lifestyle. I was quite confident with my portfolio prior to 2020 and the sky high inflation which is probably the worst in terms of the speed of the rise of inflation I've witnessed in my lifetime so far. Now, I'm not too sure whether the current portfolio can withstand sustained high inflation, hence the posting of the question over here
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In periods of rising inflation, overweight banks and commodities. This was a good play in 2021 and 2022 as inflation shot up.

However, inflation has been coming down globally this year.and Im more concerned about a prolonged economic slowdown coming.






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post Nov 8 2023, 03:24 PM

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QUOTE(batman1172 @ Nov 8 2023, 03:04 PM)
For those that aim to retire. RM240,000 cannot already. need 3.9m according to study below. That's about USD1m said many times in this forum.

HSBC survey shows Malaysia’s mass affluent aim to stop working by age 57, need RM3.9 mil for comfortable retirement

https://theedgemalaysia.com/node/689008
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This is just a survey of the "mass affluent" people i.e the vast majority of T20s, of the amount of money they think they need to retire.

May not apply to M40 n B40 people.


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post Feb 24 2024, 08:31 PM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Feb 24 2024, 05:02 PM)
5. Turkish Lira
Percentage Decline in Price in 2023: 44%

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If u are Turkish, u would have been able to protect yoir wealth reasonably well by investing in the local stock market.

Performance of Istanbul 100 index.

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post Feb 24 2024, 08:47 PM

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QUOTE(kiwifruit0 @ Feb 24 2024, 01:15 PM)
What should a person whom already FIRE invest in or keep their fund to ensure he will be FIRE status and above throughout his life?
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Here are my thoughts. Generally one should be diversified and make sure our portfolio can cover these 4 situations.

1. An allocation that can provide a high enough constant/stable income stream for daily living

2. A liqudity stash in case of big financial emergencies and to take advantage of market opportunities

3. An allocation that can provide wealth growth that can beat normal inflation

4. An allocation to defend against unexpected prolonged and extreme economic conditions such as very high inflation or depression/deflation sort of thing.

You will probably need a few different asset types to cover these 4 scenarios, but an asset type maybe can fufill 2 or 3 situations. Eg epf.is good for 1 and 2 (after 55).

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QUOTE(hksgmy @ Sep 11 2024, 09:30 PM)
You really think with 10mil, inflation wouldn’t be an issue? I can’t help but think about countries that suffered meltdowns like Zimbabwe and Argentina…..

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Just make sure dont save the 10 million in FD of one currency.

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post Dec 5 2024, 12:53 PM

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QUOTE(raynmann @ Dec 5 2024, 09:17 AM)
can i just retire with rm4.3 mil ? 2.8Mil in epf and the rest in asnb?

passive income of rm18-20k monthly
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My view is that it will depend on your expected retirement expenditure. You will need some buffer to cover for future inflation and unexpected expenses.The earlier you retire, the bigger the buffer you need. The buffer will be rollover and compound.

Say your post retirement income is 18-20k month and your expected expenses is below 15k/month, then I think you are in safe position to retire.

So be as accurate as possible in estimating your expenses.



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post Mar 23 2025, 09:08 AM

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QUOTE(gashout @ Mar 23 2025, 05:27 AM)
passive around 20k.
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And u want to 3x this to retire?

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QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ Mar 23 2025, 03:00 PM)
Just curious... since earlier you mentioned your passive income... and then mention lean Fire vs fat Fire, i am just wondering if you defined lean fire to mean your current passive income?

Cos usually lean Fire is a supposed to mean frugality and require lowering of one's standard of living, and to be benchmarked to standard of living/income of population. So M40 benchmark is fair, at around 12K rm toppish per household.

20K currently would be way more than FIRE requirement (and the fact that this is most probably T05 household income).
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Maybe she wants fat fire in a developed country? Like UK is probably need like GBP10k a month for a comfy living.



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post Mar 24 2025, 12:03 PM

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If my target retirement age is 55, is that considered FIRE?


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QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ Mar 24 2025, 12:11 PM)
Technically yes. As our official retirement age is 60, since 2012.

Nonetheless, growing up, this stuck in my head. My secondary school teacher shared this info once:
for government employees back in 1990s and before, official retirement age was 55.
Men can apply for early retirement at age 50; while women can apply for early retirement at age 45.
(teachers had incentive to do so, as they can teach tuition and earn better income)
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After reading a bit, I dont think I am FIRE.

FIRE is not really an age number but more of a life approach/philosophy. Its about very frugal living, extremely high saving rate in order to achieve early retirement.

I follow the more traditional, moderate approach to retire.




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QUOTE(trumpkampung @ Mar 27 2025, 08:17 PM)
how old r u? actually i also don't have the desire anymore.  but need another new car to replace another. in fact, i dont know what car to buy also 😅
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I pay my car in cash.

Its amazing how that will reduce options.


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post Apr 4 2025, 10:56 AM

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For me just a few years from target retirement date, dont hv this concept of fat, lean FIRE.

Aim is to get my monthly passive income to be about the same as my monthly current active income, which is enough for my current lifestyle with some spare to reinvest to cover future inflation.

Will still hv to pay mortgage for a few years into retirement, but once that is done, there will be even more cashflow available.




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post Apr 4 2025, 05:30 PM

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QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ Apr 4 2025, 01:16 PM)
Actually, what you are aiming is technically FAT FIRE, because there is no sacrifice at all to your lifestyle when your passive income became the same as your current active income.

Active income is not your actual clean active income rite? as you have to deduct a certain % for savings/epf/taxes/mortgage payment etc...
At retirement, it is really your spending that counts... by virtual that your passive income is equal to your active income, it actually means you can spend like 2X your current spending at very least.

A simplied example:
a) Currently working earn 20K rm. After tax of like 18%, EPF of 11%, savings of 11% and mortgage&loan of 20%, leftover is 40%. It is this 40% of 20K rm that you spend every month.
b) at retirement, if passive income = active income, that is 20K rm, or 100% of active income. 
    There is no need to save anymore technically.
    hence, what you can spend is 20K/8K = 250% of 8K. that is, at retirement, you can spend 2.5 times of what you normally spend b4 retirement.
c) this is fat FIRE.
While each has own view of retirement, many a times I personally find it confusing why so many think retirement must upgrade one's lifestyle.
Staying same lifestyle is normal FIRE (actually, I think the core FIRE movement expect some sacrifices like no more starbucks everyday), any upgrade is super big bonus.
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Thanks.

To clarify, what I mean as active income is income net of taxes and epf. In your example of RM20k monthly gross, that would be RM14.6k. That is the retirement income I'm targeting, approximately.

I also won't hv a big upgrade in lifestyle. My current lifestyle is pretty decent and I just like to maintain it. I dont practice the FIRE lifestyle of very high savings rate and extreme frugality.

But I do understand why some of the FIRE people wants to upgrade. They are sacrificing so much of the present in order to have a much nicer future. Living on a B40 budget all your life is not what most ppl desire.









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QUOTE(spoonudus @ Apr 4 2025, 11:10 PM)
another thing to consider as right pointed out, if you retire early, what will you do for the rest of your retirement. If retire at 50, thats  up to 30-40 years of life planning.

Apparently there is another FIRE category, called Barista FIRE, which is in between lean and fat. You basically retire from your full time job, but still work part time/freelance whenever you want, as needed.
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Thats what I plan, barrista FIRE.

I dont mind my job I just want more free time. One of colleague, who retired at 60, was offered half salary but come to work only 2.5 days a week.

That is something I would consider.









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QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ Apr 5 2025, 02:20 PM)
blink.gif  sad.gif

I just finished looking at my networth... dang... down by 10% this week alone.

Still, don't think my monthly spending budget need to be revised yet... Its still way below the traditional 4% SWR....

but still hurts to see a crash of 10%
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Net worth here is total?

Wow thats a big hit already bro.
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QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ Apr 5 2025, 05:20 PM)
Yes it is (my house excluded from the calc).
1 week wipe out the gain of a normal year.
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If I recall you are FIRE(?)

Thats a very high % in equities to be retired.

Its going to be very bumpy.


QUOTE(jutamind @ Apr 5 2025, 08:05 PM)
Just came across this article this morning on the amount required for retirement. T20 retirement sum for 25 years required 7m

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I read the article, a bit misleading I think.

The RM7m is assuming 0 dividends/interest over the retirement period. But assuming say 5.5% pa returns, its more like RM5m.

And remember that T20 is household income not for one person.

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Apr 6 2025, 06:36 PM)
Hi bro,... emm,... well, it's better to advise the young ones to work hard first and do not sway from this goal. Go out there, see the world,.... go after the big bucks, and we support them in their endeavours.

I feel it's not too good to start teaching them abt investing too early, things like making loads of money from 'investing',... things like this. Then they become complacent, thinking it's better to invest and 'shake legs', money makes money, etc,... looking at how their father did it.
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My kid at uni, he has a Stashaway account. Iasked him to start saving to buy a car when he graduate. He is not a finance or business major.

So I want to teach him a bit about savings, delayed gratifcation and a bit about behavior of markets, different asset classes, crashes and asset bubbles.


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