You cannot converge science and religion. Anyone say he can is a scammer.

Where is your evidences? Show us statistically it is possible by actual calculations considering the rate of mutation during cells division. Where did you get Big Bang occur 46.5 billion years ago? As far as the size of observable universe, the expansion isnt about speed. It is speed per unit distance. Get your facts right first.

you're deluded

stop trying hard on projecting your thoughts into others

Hehehe..scammer detected

Luckily I dont have to choose...

You obviously didn't watch Stargate SG-1

Why not both

It's not always about arguments.

oh u poor daft man

there is already one concrete evidence of it happening - us

there are 6 billion earth like planets in our galaxy alone, multiply by the amount of galaxies in the universe (safe to say its close to infinite considering the expansion of the observable universe)

even there is a one in a million chance of us happening, any probability x infinite = infinite

so there's your statistics genius

If you still count the rate of mutations required from beginning of time for life to evolve from simple lump of amino acid into complex instruction of 3 billion pairs of dna code for humans, will there be enough time for it to develop as complex as we see it today? Can you do the math? Genius...

This post has been edited by KarchKiraly: Oct 2 2021, 08:05 PM

hahaha
heart, brain, body all behaves differently

I'm a simple guy.

If you get into accident and unable to move in the middle of the road.

You expect God miraculously lift you to the side or a good samaritan to help you?

So far I yet to see anyone get miraculously air lifted to the side la during accidents.

er

we are the living proof that it is possible

also, even though there are 3 b pairs, most of it is redundant

both of the examples can be true. it doesnt need to be an either or situation.
its unlikely we will ever know if its really all random or designed.

Dont give up so easily. You are the genius. Ok let's we assume the mitosis rate is 8 min per cycle (180 times per day), which is quite fast (house fly). And let's say 99% of our base pairs of dna are the same between human (really less than 1% is the one that make us different from the next person).

The probability of spontaneous arrangement of 3 billion dna codes to form who we are (in a period of 14 billion years since big bang) most likely will be:

% = [14 x 10⁹ x 365 x 180] / [4^(0.99 x (3 x 10⁹))]

Very slim odd is it? It could still happened if somehow the processes happened in another universe with time dilation effect due to different physical constants and somehow the dna codes arrived in our universe during collision between the universes or through a wormhole somewhere.

If you look outside, the physical constants of our universe is so fine tuned with perfect balance between the rate of expansion and energy densities. Even if this balance is slightly off, the sub atomic particles will not come together and create matter and physical world as we perceive today. Or perhaps there could be trillions of universes with different physical constants and we just happened to exist in one that is perfect for carbon based life as we know. Ever wonder the possibility of all this coming together into existence from nothing? If you see a complex object like a car or mobile phone or a skyscraper, will you say that those things come together spontaneously without any inventor?

This post has been edited by KarchKiraly: Oct 2 2021, 09:03 PM

lol, does not work this way, although i do applaud your attempt to make yourself look smart

the human genome was not constructed 'spontaneously'

we started as single cell organism, then we 'evolve' by merging with other single cell organisms (prove: mitochrondia has its own specific dna.)

over time, the genetic material is incorporated, but not all code is used, some are discarded or made redundant (see: vestigiality)

if u think about it, it is not as complex and impossible as you think considering the 'seed' itself is not complex

another analogy, you are looking at the forest fire, but the spark that started it could be a simple lit cigarette for example.

No. You are smarter than me, so I kinda wonder why you didnt try to calculate the odd and use your own assumptions and imagination.

I didnt say we are constructed spontaneously. My calculation reflect how much time required to complete the correct sequence of 99% of the genetic code that made us who we are. If you inverse the results, thats how many times over the current life of this universe. So, make your own assumptions and do the calculations.

If you want to start with simple organism on earth, then you have much less than 14 billions years... You probably have like between 3 to 4 billions years depending on when you believe the conditions on the planet is perfect for first primordial biological soup starting to exist.

I am just a simple man. You are the genius.

This post has been edited by KarchKiraly: Oct 2 2021, 09:26 PM

i'll ignore the snide remarks, if you wanna debate like a man, grow up.

the reason why i didn't calculate the odds because it is much more complex than just the odds of recombination like you did

and i have no idea why you are so fixated with the odds when its not even important

you can have x odds of an event happening, are you certain in the vast universe, the same event would not happen again on some other earth like planets?

its funny, your point being that everything that happen is not by chance, but yet you are calculating a chance, see your contradictory logic?

either way feel free to believe in what you wanna believe.

I am just illustrating doesnt matter how you arranged it, the chance is slim to none. Is that so hard to understand? For such complex creations, there must be a creator and up to you to believe it or not. Or to try calculate the odds or not. After all, you are the one who state statistically it is probable, yet dont want to even attempt to calculate the probability.

This post has been edited by KarchKiraly: Oct 2 2021, 09:59 PM

They don't want to believe in God.