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Are you science person or religious person?
 
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post Sep 30 2021, 10:33 PM

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QUOTE(KarchKiraly @ Sep 30 2021, 08:58 PM)
Atheist think there is no God but somehow the subatomic particles magically exists and form our physical world where all the constants are fine tune for balance and creation. Even the 3 billions base pairs of human genome magically come to specific order through 14 billion years of evolution to create human. Which the probability of this happening by chance is almost zero.
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u are wrong

the observable universe is 46.508 billion light years, not even counting the range beyond

statistically it is very probable that anything could coincidentally happen

second, the modern human wasn't created in a day (unlike claimed by certain religions), it was through uncountable evolutionary changes which again, given that large amount of time is statistically probable, not to mention selective pressure that speeds up the process.

there could be a creator that seeds the universe, but it ain't gonna be either gods human worshipped

so atheist it is

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post Sep 30 2021, 10:44 PM

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QUOTE(mousqy @ Sep 30 2021, 10:40 PM)
oh bless XENU!!!!
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ye repent now before the wrath of the intergalatic conquerer xenu

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post Oct 1 2021, 01:19 PM

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QUOTE(KarchKiraly @ Oct 1 2021, 12:01 AM)
Where is your evidences? Show us statistically it is possible by actual calculations considering the rate of mutation during cells division. Where did you get Big Bang occur 46.5 billion years ago? As far as the size of observable universe, the expansion isnt about speed. It is speed per unit distance. Get your facts right first.
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oh u poor daft man

there is already one concrete evidence of it happening - us

there are 6 billion earth like planets in our galaxy alone, multiply by the amount of galaxies in the universe (safe to say its close to infinite considering the expansion of the observable universe)

even there is a one in a million chance of us happening, any probability x infinite = infinite

so there's your statistics genius


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post Oct 2 2021, 08:26 PM

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QUOTE(KarchKiraly @ Oct 2 2021, 08:04 PM)
If you still count the rate of mutations required from beginning of time for life to evolve from simple lump of amino acid into complex instruction of 3 billion pairs of dna code for humans, will there be enough time for it to develop as complex as we see it today? Can you do the math? Genius...
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we are the living proof that it is possible

also, even though there are 3 b pairs, most of it is redundant
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post Oct 2 2021, 09:03 PM

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QUOTE(KarchKiraly @ Oct 2 2021, 08:42 PM)
Dont give up so easily. You are the genius. Ok let's we assume the mitosis rate is 8 min per cycle (180 times per day), which is quite fast (house fly). And let's say 99% of our base pairs of dna are the same between human (really less than 1% is the one that make us different from the next person).

The probability of spontaneous arrangement of 3 billion dna codes to form who we are (in a period of 14 billion years since big bang) most likely will be:

% = [14 x 10⁹ x 365 x 180] / [4^(0.99 x (3 x 10⁹))]

Very slim odd is it? It could still happened if somehow the processes happened in another universe with time dilation effect due to different physical constants and somehow the dna codes arrived in our universe during collision between the universes or through a wormhole somewhere.
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lol, does not work this way, although i do applaud your attempt to make yourself look smart

the human genome was not constructed 'spontaneously'

we started as single cell organism, then we 'evolve' by merging with other single cell organisms (prove: mitochrondia has its own specific dna.)

over time, the genetic material is incorporated, but not all code is used, some are discarded or made redundant (see: vestigiality)

if u think about it, it is not as complex and impossible as you think considering the 'seed' itself is not complex

another analogy, you are looking at the forest fire, but the spark that started it could be a simple lit cigarette for example.
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post Oct 2 2021, 09:45 PM

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QUOTE(KarchKiraly @ Oct 2 2021, 09:22 PM)
No. You are smarter than me, so I kinda wonder why you didnt try to calculate the odd and use your own assumptions and imagination.

I didnt say we are constructed spontaneously. My calculation reflect how much time required to complete the correct sequence of 99% of the genetic code that made us who we are. If you inverse the results, thats how many times over the current life of this universe. So, make your own assumptions and do the calculations.

If you want to start with simple organism on earth, then you havr much less than 14 billions years... You probably have like between 3 to 4 billions years depending on when you believe the conditions on the planet is perfect for first primordial biological soup starting to exist.

I am just a simple man. You are the genius.
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i'll ignore the snide remarks, if you wanna debate like a man, grow up.

the reason why i didn't calculate the odds because it is much more complex than just the odds of recombination like you did

and i have no idea why you are so fixated with the odds when its not even important

you can have x odds of an event happening, are you certain in the vast universe, the same event would not happen again on some other earth like planets?

its funny, your point being that everything that happen is not by chance, but yet you are calculating a chance, see your contradictory logic?

either way feel free to believe in what you wanna believe.
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post Oct 2 2021, 10:02 PM

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QUOTE(KarchKiraly @ Oct 2 2021, 09:53 PM)
I am just illustrating doesnt matter how you arranged it, the chance is slim to none. Is that so hard to understand? For such complex creations, there must be a creator and up to you to believe it or not. Or to try calculate the odds or not.
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no it is you who don't understand lol

lets make it really simple

lets say you were to flip a fair coin to get heads 3 billion times in a row so its (0.5)^3 billion

chances of it happening is reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeally small

but you have infinite flips, definitely at some point the event will happen, so it is not impossible

it did not happen in (infinite - 1) planets in the universe, but it happened on earth
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post Oct 2 2021, 10:06 PM

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QUOTE(KarchKiraly @ Oct 2 2021, 10:04 PM)
Why not show your calculations?
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can you stop with the calculations?

i already told you and illustrated with a simple enough example that the odds isn't important, but yet still insist on it

can anyone else explain to him?

i am tired of repeating the same shit
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post Oct 2 2021, 10:24 PM

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QUOTE(KarchKiraly @ Oct 2 2021, 10:08 PM)
You are repeating shits as thats all that is coming from your brain if you dont use it.

Let me include current estimation of 2 trillion galaxies, each galaxy contains on average 100 billion per galaxies and based on the observation in Milky Way galaxy, perhaps as many as 20% of these stars could have planets within habitable zones.

So the original equation from:

% = [14 x 10⁹ x 365 x 180] / [4^(0.99 x (3 x 10⁹))]

Will expand to:

% = [2 x 10¹¹ x 100,000,000,000 x 20%] x [14 x 10⁹ x 365 x 180] / [4^(0.99 x (3 x 10⁹))]

Still very small chance, close to zero.
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how can you be sure its 2 trillion galaxies?

if you can answer that with certainty then i'll accept your point and book a flight for you to get your nobel prize.
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post Oct 2 2021, 10:40 PM

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QUOTE(KarchKiraly @ Oct 2 2021, 10:30 PM)
Didnt I just write "current estimation"? Even this thing you want to argue without any base. At least I am using current estimation based on what we know about observable universe.

Havent seen anything coming from your side of argument. Still same old shit from atheist mind with no substance.
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rofl, that's cause you are just too stupid to understand something really simple but yet still wanna talk about probability and statistics

i'll humor you, and elaborate because el stupido brain of yours can't comprehend

your estimation only covers 20 trillion galaxies, if the universe is expanding on an infinite fashion, don't the odds get larger?

This post has been edited by pipedream: Oct 2 2021, 10:40 PM
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post Oct 2 2021, 11:03 PM

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QUOTE(KarchKiraly @ Oct 2 2021, 10:49 PM)
Humor me please... Where did I say 20 trillion galaxies? Dont pull out random numbers from your backside and please stick to current knowledge that we have about the observable universe. If you are so smart, show your understanding and your own calculations. Cant come up with anything, right? I dont doubt you still have something between your ears but still there is nothing shown to prove it.
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its a typo dimwit and it doesn't matter 2 trillion or 20 trillion, the point is still the same

no point arguing anymore, i am tired of trying to get my point across

believe in whatever you want man, its your life
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post Oct 2 2021, 11:21 PM

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QUOTE(KarchKiraly @ Oct 2 2021, 11:10 PM)
Believe what you want too... But use your intellect. Your points are all weak and you are already tired even without showing one simple calculation to prove probability of your statements being correct.
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ok lol, like your validation means any jackshit to me

 

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