If you going to buy Civic, yes, with the discount, it is worth it.

However I think Civic facelift should be at the end of the year or early 2025. But then again with production delay, don't know when can get car.

The moment they start throwing price at this period of time, they are likely trying to clear stock for the coming facelift liao. Haha. At least it gives that impression. Ehev are a much harder sell due to their high price, add a few K more can buy a CRV E spec liao. So better throw price now to start clearing stock.

But being a City eHev driver, I can say the driving refinement of eHev is a class above the petrol counterpart. Some might argue on that tho but being a daily drive of both old petrol City and new eHev City, even I cannot differentiate the difference of normal petrol City and eHev on first drive until I drove them immediately one after another. The much smoother gearless lower to mid range speed acceleration, the vibration of cars, can follow 10K service maint schedule (vs turbo) is something the petrol variant cannot match.

Although City has weakness of loud engine restart noise especially during idle, Civic and Crv 2.0 engine has minimize such annoyance. I got used to it tho....then every time the noise appear during idle, I know I will have true EV silent acceleration after that with no vibration.

Those are normally not mentioned when ppl compare petrol vs eHev variant. They only look at fuel savings vs high pricing of eHev. We do pay more premium in the end coz we have to consider the possible lower resale value and battery replacement cost BUT the higher selling price will eventually be negated by fuel price increment especially if we drive a lot (unfortunately for hybrid drivers that don't drive much, then not worth the increase cost). My 100km daily trip almost double the mileage per full tank with eHev. For City, that means I can recover the price difference within 5 years and that is assuming the price stays at 2.05. For Civic, much longer a bit but that is again assuming price stays at 2.05. After that, it is cost saving all the ways...still cannot make up battery change difference but at least can reduce the eventual cost of replacement (if necessary).

The other major weakness is no spare tyre. In Malaysia road where almost every car has kena punctured before, it is a headache. Lets hope the portable tyre pump can handle the leak as long as gap is not too huge.

This post has been edited by Cavino: Jul 10 2024, 10:11 AM

Honda typically facelift in Asean market every 2.5-3 years. 5-6 years change model. Civic was released at local market in Jan 22, that means 2024 is the 3rd year, typical time for facelift. So it should be either end of 2024 or at latest early to mid 2025.

I heard they will release 2 models this year. One is city hatchback, what is the other one?

This post has been edited by Cavino: Jul 10 2024, 11:10 AM

Once you hit 2" higher that would defeat the purpose of Civic low "sporty" driving stable sedan liao with a high centre of gravity. That is compact SUV height liao. May as well go for SUV.

This post has been edited by Cavino: Jul 17 2024, 03:01 PM

You are correct on that. From what I understand, 12V battery in hybrid generally function the same as ICE car.
Hybrid battery will shut down when car is off but 12V battery will keep supplying power for all accessories, car locks, alarm, etc. These accs requires 12V power including the ADAS system. Hybrid battery high voltage will likely blow up these systems and parts if it was used to power them.

Since the hybrid battery is off when we off the car engine (push start button), 12V battery provide electricity to start the car before the hybrid battery takes over the engine and motor. Thus when 12V battery is dead, there is no electricity to initiate the propulsion and activate the inverter (yes, inverter from what I know is powered by the 12V battery) to convert the high voltage hybrid battery charges.

So 12V battery are just as critical to hybrid and EVs similar to ICE cars. That is my current understanding on the 12V battery usage.

This post has been edited by Cavino: Jul 30 2024, 01:48 PM

Ya lor...I forgot about that. 12V battery was charged by the hybrid battery but when car is off, the hybrid battery stop charging. It won't start even if fully charged.
Now it require the 12V battery to power up everything including the car computers, self-check and activate the relay and connect to traction battery, inverter to start the car.

In another words, they must rely on each other to power or activate themselves up. A full circle.

Same working lar with normal petrol car 12V battery. The only difference is 12V battery are charged by HV battery instead of engine.
So just like petrol variant 12V battery, it sometimes get weaker and drain much faster. When left park long term, it just drain out or lose power, that one can save once jump start.
However if die just like that on daily usage, it is likely defective battery or after warranty, just failed like what other car batteries do. HV trickle charge or not, no matter, it is the battery that failed if got drive everyday. Any bawah pokok mechanic can answer that.

It worked and died exactly like how petrol variant cars battery worked. Just nowadays, the cars are loaded with many system and electronic, the work load of 12V battery might cause it to die sooner than batteries on older cars without digital electronics system.

This post has been edited by Cavino: Jul 31 2024, 02:28 PM

I don't think HV battery will charge 12V battery when car is switched off. From my understanding HV Battery will be disconnected when we switch off the car.

I think some articles mentioned HV battery charging 12V battery when engine is off, that likely means when when car is switch on but engine is not running, HV battery will still charge the 12V battery. We know that it is the inverter that charges the 12V battery as engine does not have alternator now but HV battery should likely be turn off as well just like petrol variant car when car if off, no charging.

So when we start the car, the 12V battery is providing power to car system and activate HV battery to charge back the 12V battery. But that happen only when we start the car. When car is off, only the 12V battery will remain active while HV battery disconnected. That is my understanding.

It would be crazily dangerous if high voltage battery still continue actively working in a parked car especially for days.


This post has been edited by Cavino: Aug 1 2024, 02:46 PM

If only they can pad the seats to be slightly thicker for less butt pain and give an eight way power seat on the passenger. For me, that will like be the 2 most important change for comfort but I think they skip that.

The eight way adjustable seats for passenger means it can heighten passenger seat which is too low and cannot heighten now.

After 5 years warranty over how? If got no budget to change car, how? Who gonna pay for the expensive steering rack then. If kena multiple time again, how. It is not HM problem by then. Haiz...

My friend also owned one for over 2 years now. Got steering rack issue once few months ago. Change rack once. Then got sticky again but only high speed again. They fix it somehow without changing rack. Going to SC quite a number of times. A bit frustrated for him.

But then when I asked him if regret getting Civic FE, he says, no, he likes it a lot, frustrated yes BUT he still prefer it and would still buy it if turn back the clock.

The fact that US consumer did a class action suit for the same issue indicate it's most probably a design issue rather than vendor issue.

IMO, this type of petition are not effective and is a way to vent anger only.
You need combine class action suit to force their hands this can be very costly and time consuming and require someone to take leads.

That is too safe liao. As long as same profile with different brands can lar. 100% ok.

Honda usually customized the car physical undercarriage setting and electronic system settings to the tyre profile size that the car comes with. At least that is what Honda head (Japanese) engineer says during one of the Honda's Malaysia interview that I saw quite some time ago.

So as long as same profile with different brand 100% no warranty issue. Changing tyre size, got hear cases warranty rejection on suspension parts or related stuff BUT I have not heard of any cases of warranty void when we increase width a bit....aka 185 to 195 (that is me tho, other might have hear it otherwise).



This post has been edited by Cavino: Aug 21 2024, 08:50 AM

I am wondering if it's the electrical steering rack that cause the problem coz hydraulic ones does not fail that frequently. That is what my bawah pokok mechanic told me, increased steering rack failure does not only occur with Honda only, Toyota also got a lot and it is all electrical steering racks, very rarely hydraulic (that old hydraulic failure mostly wear and tear, aging).

This post has been edited by Cavino: Aug 21 2024, 08:54 AM

I doubt so becoz black and white only write 5 years. In the US or some western countries I heard extended to 7 and 8 years for steering rack issue but definitely not in Malaysia or ASEAN countries.

Of course it will void warranty as it is not the default setup for the variant that you buy.

The financial bomb that might come after warranty period is over and this steering rack flaw keeps repeating itself. Steering rack is really not cheap.

Decade ago, Melaka produced well built car. My 18 years old City and 16 years old FD has minimal rattling even up to today. Superbly built Hondas. But hear that the next generation degrade slightly, then after that, it goes all the way down.