Haha....admittedly I'm buying into the marketing but not of Honda directly. This is actually the first time, I bought heavily onto it, not becoz of honda but based on many external video reviews and articles.

I can't differentiate handling and power in your real handling detail sense.
Really no interest in the detailed exploration of what handling actual is but lean more towards the overall enjoyment of casual sedan driving. Like I enjoyed the Civic FD driving feel on the steering vs Persona vs City, more road feel, more response. fast speed stable, higher speed cornering stable, no buang feel but anymore than that, I'm a layman. I can feel the difference but ask to tell in detail, err...I feel the difference...Hehe.

I think most layman who knows very little about car but enjoyed driving for years might have same view (my own 2 cents only). Cakap besar with casual driver ok, of course become mouse in front of car enthusiast.

I also have been wondering the contrasting 10mm lowered center point of gravity vs 2mm increase height....It does not make sense to me. I'm been joking with my wife, does that mean like those overweight thing, the center of the car bend downwards like too heavy in middle, so more stable lor???? But why honda say that as an improvement on stability?

Maybe I used the wrong terms and wording when viewed by a person who really knows what driving is but as a casual driver, for me handling means more road feel, quicker, more precise response on steering, higher stability on high speed and cornering. Power means pickup (torque kuah) and high speed acceleration still got energy to go further. That's enuf for my understanding. Don't let me talk to car enthusiast on this, its like a primary student talking to a teacher...feel so....small and my earlier talk all become like big wording with no shit understanding.

As for believing in marketing, I falls more towards the reviewers (video and articles), magazine reviews, youtube reviewers. Might be paid, might be real. When ALL the car reviewers says the exact same thing, except for the price and for some, the seat lack of sufficient cushioning, the car is really better in driving than RS, more pickup, the instant torque even on highway drive acceleration, better more stable cornering feel from someone who reviews lots of cars. That YS Khong guy say the same, those car magazine like WAPCar, Paultan, Pistonshow, etc and many individual reviewers, both locals and foreign (might be different setup oversea), say the same, some might be paid but many seems honest with some complaint but still the same view on the mentioned improvement. I'm bought and I don't think its just marketing unless all of them are paid to say good things only. I have rarely seen so many reviews harping on the same improvement with little complaints, so you can't blame me for being excited about it. I did not buy into the save FC thing tho...at least for a highway driver like me.

For CRV eHev reviews also I see, at least oversea with different trim but more into the engine performance of turbo vs eHev on driving feel, improvement and whether worth it or not. That one has split views...Civic eHev are one of those rare few without one. That is one of the reason I shift my buy target to Civic eHev. Anyway still waiting for CRV and I don't think the expected price hike will be favourable, tot maybe, hope 5% increase only but then now Australia release also say massive hike..haiz... Still talking about it coz still long wait till end of year, so I'm likely going to be around talking shit with long post (many shit to say, maybe no or wrong substance..haha) until I bought one or give up.

Might even rethink budget by end of year (the more we wait, the more we think), maybe go for BYD Atto3 hahahaha...really. I still don't trust 3rd party importer or distributor in long term servicing and commitment. Might still consider an EV a few years down the road if hype still persist and infrastructure and car range availability with affordable pricing is here.

Haiz...after think think, maybe I no buy car. 8 years down the road, take grab instead. No joke...economy not so good..

This post has been edited by Cavino: Aug 2 2023, 08:51 AM

My wife said the same thing, don't like big car and fear of parking with big car but strange, she still prefer either City class or high SUV (fear of flood)....very contradicting view. I also no understand.

I easier to understand, I prefer sedan with a boot (no hatchback) but life is not always about me only.

This post has been edited by Cavino: Aug 2 2023, 08:49 AM

At my age, I'm not so firmed anymore. Considering her preference is as important as mine, as we aged together, the more I appreciate her unmentioned sacrifice and dedication for the family.

So although I can say I love this and that car and harp all over about it and she will say ok to it. In the end, I know I will still buy one where she will appreciate too, even if I compromised quite a bit. Even if in the end, I don't get exactly what I want, the satisfaction of her being happy about it as well more than makes up for it. That's family, man.

I'm waiting for CRV spec and pricing first. Long wait. Then cannot only consider Civic eHev. White one. Might go back to RS or even City FL....after excited go upgrade and upgrade, over the months, think think might downgrade and downgrade...

Still Atto3 looks nice with good torque, supposedly very comfortable and spacious but for our main car, EV with range anxiety and longer charging period will not be it. As secondary daily drive to work vehicle actually can consider. Once you buy EV now, you won't be thinking too much about battery replacement until you get hit with it. Tesla is even harping battery can likely last lifetime of the vehicle....100000 miles, ya, right, all my cars already exceeded that lifetime by a big gap.

There might be 2 version of eHev. 1 for 2WD and another full spec sport RS 4WD eHev. Maybe the 2WD eHev can be price at 190K. Slim hope but not impossible. The RS sure no need think about it.

Unfortunately very hard to guess Honda Malaysia pricing. The last time Thailand break 180K to 220k for their 2017 models (but using 2.4 NA engine), our Malaysia 1.5TC cut cost until hit 171K. Crossing finger they may follow the same cost cutting trend like exclusion of the panaromic/sunroof.

Wait and see first. No hurry for me. Too high, then can go downgrade, downgrade, downgrade until City FL.

This post has been edited by Cavino: Aug 2 2023, 04:30 PM

Thats why I target CRV first, then if too high, I likely will go for Civic eHev if nothing happen to my budget decision by then. That has been my plan since I decided to look at new CRV and never change but as usual wait too long, can go sideway..

If got comparison, they will compare eHev with the RS. Although V might have certain advantage, I'm not into V spec. So its a fair comparison for me as I need to know the difference between my initial booked RS and eHev.

I read all their reviews to confirmed that the increased torque does makes a noticeable difference in daily ride pleasure. That allow me make decision on what I want...in this case, the instant torque even during highway acceleration. Just that alone already made up most of my mind on it. The 10"TFT screen too. The others like better NVH, handling, etc just add value to the extra 15K difference.

Of course the budget still matters thus although my plan still have not change, economic changes, family needs rethinking by the end of year might still change the decision but that is only an ÏF". Otherwise CRV will be my main target now follow by Civic eHev, if decided to lower budget by then, then RS and even considering to City FL.

This post has been edited by Cavino: Aug 2 2023, 05:17 PM

Actually I love the 360 during parking. So helpful even for small Vios. I can imagine the great help for SUV but I think the new CRV in some countries and likely including Malaysia might not have that. Of course all my other old cars takda still ok but 360 is a very useful tool especially for other family members who don't have the proper parking skill or judgement a bit bad.

This post has been edited by Cavino: Aug 2 2023, 05:21 PM

Aish...bad news for me.

There is some bad shakeup in my finances due to work and a major mistakes in my own budget accounting, luckily it happened now rather than later after I committed the loan to the car.

Made a major mistakes in my budget calculation, my family hantuk my head for missing a crucial expenses....insurance expenses.
Don't ask me why I did not add that to my monthly budget.

The impact is earthquake......deduction of 1K for insurance per month. Not to mentioned some unsure future element with my work adjustment...

So there goes my ability to pay for eHev and CRV is gone....hahaha... :...

Likely will be downgrading my option to City RS (if still Honda) or cheaper subcompact SUV (for my wife).

Civic RS at high limit is still there in my list (C-segment space, ride quality, etc) but I'm extremely reluctant now.
Feel just like ppl tell me out of nowhere, my car has been repossessed and I have to take bus now...

Itu old Civic FD count or not.

Thinking of FE as my last car I'm going to buy before my retirement in less than a decade, so of course try C-Segment lar. Actually that is to replace my 15 years old Civic FD as I'm not sure if Civic FD can last another 15 years....hahaha. Thinking buying now can get 7 years loan, loan period just right before my retirement.

Thanks everyone for pretty down to earth, realistic suggestion. No joke, I really taking all these comments into my consideration. Re-consider for E-Spec, reconsidering abandon C-Segment (there goes my FD replacement, downgrade), considering abandoning buy car for now...all from the posts goes seriously into my consideration.

Then again, might also consider abandon buying car altogether as I might be redoing my budget to possibly fully sponsor my precious daughter Master program, last resort abt 200K for a year plus living expenses oversea if she truly exhaust her viable option locally...But then there is no car for her to drive to school next year and in future if I divert all car fund to add on for her Master study.

Wait if my 15 years old FD, 17 years City failed me totally, how...Mmmm. Maybe I'm thinking too far but I always do that...the dilemma.

So many things to re-reconsider, heard new City petrol RS only need 1 - 3 months waiting period, X50 got stock....No fish, prawn also can...

This post has been edited by Cavino: Aug 14 2023, 10:15 AM

Don't know what is the price of steering rack after warranty?

The fact that it happened to most current honda models?

There are different grades of aluminium with different tensile strength. If mixed with different alloying elements might produce very different alloy strength, etc. Can you be sure the one bought from taobao are using the same grades and primary alloy strength as the original?

Memory adjustment, E spec onwards already got. Your civic almost same price with CRV E-spec liao...so the eHev is 26K more expensive than the standard E spec liao and 14k more expensive the V spec, mind you that V spec is AWD and eHev is FWD.

I also aim for eHev....cannot afford..haha..but truly the eHev is the real new 6th Gen CRV. This is really how 6th gen CRV should be driven. The rest is just lowered spec so that poor shit like us wth maxed out budget can try to dip our head in it.

Still wondering, why sold off so fast. Butt pain aka hard seat?

Actually I'm have been wondering about the short service schedule of turbo monitoring and servicing schedule too coz any new car that I ultimately decide on will be family car and mostly driven daily by my wife to pick up kids, to work, old ppl passenger...mostly.

That is pure City driving in Klang and Port Klang with lots of jams and stop and go traffic. Not much chances to use turbo unless I am driving it to work in KL. So its will come to the same situation as yours in terms of fuel consumption and servicing schedule.

Haiz....I got no family internal deal....its not just the fuel saving that I'm looking at, its the eHEV silent drive experience (the muted engine noise big difference than HRV ler), smoothness of drive and the instant increase torque in City drive that I'm look forward to. I have a chance to ride in Civic eHev and I love it but as you mentioned, Civic is too low.... for my old knees, my back, my 80 years old mother..

So if I go Honda, unless I take City with NA engine, all will face same turbo scheduling condition.

Actually eHEV pricing difference for HRV vs turbo is ok. ROI can be recovered easily. Its just I don't prefer the back seat inclination and hardness and can't seat 3...its practically a 2 seater. with the middle raised so high, it cannot be seated. Otherwise if I go HRV, eHev is worth it tho vs turbo. Not much difference in spec except for the engine.

Now with other models, aka City, Civic especially CRV, the premium over the turbo is really huge that it is a bit hard to swallow if we compare vs the turbo pricing.

This post has been edited by Cavino: Jan 17 2024, 11:02 AM

Haha...I have been saying Civic and CRV using 2.0 NA engine is muted aka normal engine noise. At least on Civic eHev, when its charging, don't feel annoyed at all. I have sat in City eHev, engine noise quite loud whenever charging....HRV using the same 1.5NA engine so I can imagine the same.

I don't think it's about SUV or Sedan difference, it's more on the 2.0 Atkinson engine of Civic and CRV vs 1.5 engine of HRV and City, that is making the noise.

If subsidy removed and we kena, it will be almost double the price or at least over 50% increase in fuel price.

If we only look at fuel saving, you are right but experiencing Civic eHev, I won't think too much on the fuel saving but the premium you pay for eHev is mostly towards the increased enjoyment in driving experience. For ppl who enjoy casual driving a lot, I am tempted to pay that premium for that experience with added benefits of fuel saving, that if I can afford it in the first place.

Most ppl just look at hybrid for fuel saving, thats what most ppl do anyway but they missed out a lot on the benefit of EV driving experience, drive at least on Civic and above.

This post has been edited by Cavino: Jan 17 2024, 11:48 AM

CRV is for family size comfortable drive with big rear seat, older ppl also suitable. Tuned for comfort with a high ground clearance above 7". Cannot compare with Civic eHev which have a sportier tune. Civic has a ground clearance of 4.8 to 5", knee pain when going in and out of it. Harder seats. Not so comfortable compared with CRV. If you are one who loved to drive, (coming from Preve background that have good handling) the handling of sedan-based Civic definitely is satisfying than the comfort tuned high ground clearance SUV.

Actually if you getting Civic FE eHev, CRV E spec is only a few K difference. For family comfort wise especially if you have old ppl around, CRV will be way more suitable. But for personal driving, I can't deny FE will be much better than CRV, just myself too old for it liao after considering my next few years knee might go, already got a bit of back pain seating in my Civic FD, FE even harder seat. CRV has some lumber support, FE almost takda.

My reason for considering CRV is also partially for my old mom and rear passenger comfort. my Civic FD got problem go in and out already and that is 6.6" ground clearance, Civic FE even lower at 5" and harder seat. My knee also starting to ache liao. HOwever if I'm at 40, I would still go for Civic FE especially eHev anytime.

Now my knee cap tak boleh tahan, my mom tak boleh tahan, trying to go for SUV for my next car if I can afford it.

Aiyo Aruz where can compare with CRV drivability, size and power. And yes, if I'm still 40, I would still opt for FE especially eHev if I can afford it and I am the daily driver. For family consideration tho and my old knee and old parent, have to give up Civic tho. Main concern in Klang Valley also....ground clearance too low, risk of flooding is real.

This post has been edited by Cavino: Feb 15 2024, 02:59 PM

If you want to be JPJ compliant, almost all tints listed at 70% for front windscreen will fail Puspakom. You have to opt for VLT of 80%...once tinted on FWS, will drop down to near 74%++ to be compliant. However at 80% VLT, the TSER will be quite bad. Those listed as 70% usually will drop to about 64++ VLT thus not JPJ compliant.

If you don't care about Puspakom since 3M highest crystalline tint also not really JPJ compliant liao when stick on your windscreen and just don't want to be stop by roadbloack, then ranges around 60+ VLT unlikely to get stop coz they are still very clear, don't look dark.

Going at 50% although still looks clear will be a bit of a risk as it will look slightly darker than usual, still not dark but risk there there as the clear tint feel is at borderline. If you opt for tint that listed at 50%, you will like have actual ready of 44 to 46++ VLT only, that is why it will look at borderline of dark tint, a bit risky if you met a sharp eye or cops desperate to fill quota. My 2 cents.

You can tint the rear windows and windscreen darker at about 30% VLT with actual ready of 21++. Clear at night if you use a branded tint. No JPJ limit on that, so for me that is the best dark tint VLT that provide darker less heat and yet still has good visibility at night.

Lots of car including Honda test car all tinted partial dark like this. For me Honda 5% VLT rear is a bit too dark at night.

Do note, 3M crystalline got smart tag reading issue if you need to use them, otherwise, you either have to cut a hole or wind down you side windows to lift your smart tag outside your car.