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 How to identify Fake/Counterfeit KF94 mask?

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mochicake
post Sep 3 2021, 08:17 AM

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The wiicare masks fit well, no gap or air leak under chin unlike Neutrovis. For almost RM4 each is a bit steep. The material feels like old school surgical mask or sheets with crinkly sounds, not as refined as N. But at least got MDA/FDA approval.
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post Sep 3 2021, 04:55 PM

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QUOTE(mochicake @ Sep 2 2021, 01:09 PM)
Sorry Respack but shipping so slow, cancelled Shopee order. Maybe if go pharmacy see box will grab one to try. Seems reviews say they are a bit thin? And too large for smaller faces.

Someone in kopitiam thread mentioned wiicare (which is in FDA and MDA). They have official store on shopee. Got these instead - in white, from parkcitypharmacy shop. Maybe this will be the best fit for hubby's huge face as it says "large". The mask reviewer in US says it fits like LG airwasher kf94 good for large face but those are RM10 each if buy from LG official.

https://shopee.com.my/WIICARE-KF94-FACE-MAS...1137.5357855592

Update - ordered wiicare last night, today show up already. the masks all the writing in korean and say "made in korea" expiry 2023. Tomorrow get hubby to try.

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I would advise against respack. My bro just told me (he was given samples by colleague) black is thicker and slightly bigger (air leaks on top slightly) while blue is thinner and smaller. Today is my third day of using the black color (I didnt want to use but since I want to let my wife use Neutrovis, but she already bought 2 packs, black and blue) and I still feel the slight itchiness due to the inner layer material. Tomorrow I think I will try and see if blue is indeed thinner and smaller as claimed by my brother.

Although Neutrovis do not have the certification, I think the quality is pretty good on the inner layer which is smooth. After I told my wife about the difference in packaging, she proceed and tore up 1 new mask from each packaging and burn them to check the quality. Both are 4 layers and 2 layer melt blown (pain to learn that RM5 is gone just like that when there is internet).

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mochicake
post Sep 3 2021, 05:06 PM

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QUOTE(andrekua2 @ Sep 3 2021, 04:55 PM)
I would advise against respack. My bro just told me (he was given samples by colleague) black is thicker and slightly bigger (air leaks on top slightly) while blue is thinner and smaller. Today is my third day of using the black color (I didnt want to use but since I want to let my wife use Neutrovis, but she already bought 2 packs, black and blue) and I still feel the slight itchiness due to the inner layer material. Tomorrow I think I will try and see if blue is indeed thinner and smaller as claimed by my brother.

Although Neutrovis do not have the certification, I think the quality is pretty good on the inner layer which is smooth. After I told my wife about the difference in packaging, she proceed and tore up 1 new mask from each packaging and burn them to check the quality. Both are 4 layers and 2 layer melt blown (pain to learn that RM5 is gone just like that when there is internet).
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Thanks to your wife for testing the Neutrovis masks. I have been wearing it daily this past work week, tho don't work close to anyone and it is very comfortable. But go grocery store still wore a n95. Dunno when my paranoia will ease to be able to wear kf94s everywhere.

Right now so many options so going to give Respack a miss thanks to all the feedback by you and others in this thread. Really disappointed with their official store, shipping out very2 slow & no communication ... compared to all those random Korean stores or other online orders all through week.

I went and got more wiicare plus some Bluna kf94 from Korea (RM99 for 30pcs). These are mostly for the hubby and his big face/head but still got to convince him to switch from 4-ply medicos to kf94 daily to work.
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post Sep 3 2021, 05:13 PM

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QUOTE(mochicake @ Sep 3 2021, 05:06 PM)
Thanks to your wife for testing the Neutrovis masks. I have been wearing it daily this past work week, tho don't work close to anyone and it is very comfortable. But go grocery store still wore a n95. Dunno when my paranoia will ease to be able to wear kf94s everywhere.

Right now so many options so going to give Respack a miss thanks to all the feedback by you and others in this thread. Really disappointed with their official store, shipping out very2 slow & no communication ... compared to all those random Korean stores or other online orders all through week.

I went and got more wiicare plus some Bluna kf94 from Korea (RM99 for 30pcs). These are mostly for the hubby and his big face/head but still got to convince him to switch from 4-ply medicos to kf94 daily to work.
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Another brand I think worth trying is Ezwell. I havent used it before but my cousin just started using it two days ago (he bought these after we condemned him on those unbranded chinese KF94). It looks pretty good upon inspection but havent tried to tore and burn to confirm the materials.
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post Sep 3 2021, 07:00 PM

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QUOTE(andrekua2 @ Sep 3 2021, 04:55 PM)
I would advise against respack. My bro just told me (he was given samples by colleague) black is thicker and slightly bigger (air leaks on top slightly) while blue is thinner and smaller. Today is my third day of using the black color (I didnt want to use but since I want to let my wife use Neutrovis, but she already bought 2 packs, black and blue) and I still feel the slight itchiness due to the inner layer material. Tomorrow I think I will try and see if blue is indeed thinner and smaller as claimed by my brother.

Although Neutrovis do not have the certification, I think the quality is pretty good on the inner layer which is smooth. After I told my wife about the difference in packaging, she proceed and tore up 1 new mask from each packaging and burn them to check the quality. Both are 4 layers and 2 layer melt blown (pain to learn that RM5 is gone just like that when there is internet).
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water and burning test can't differentiate good or fake mask according to this article.
https://post.smzdm.com/p/a5kqm8v3/

by the way, rm2.5 per piece is too expensive, it is better to just buy 3m, i managed to buy 3m 9513 at around rm2.7 using voucher.
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post Sep 3 2021, 09:53 PM

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QUOTE(nickxas @ Sep 3 2021, 07:00 PM)
water and burning test can't differentiate good or fake mask according to this article.
https://post.smzdm.com/p/a5kqm8v3/

by the way, rm2.5 per piece is too expensive, it is better to just buy 3m, i managed to buy 3m 9513 at around rm2.7 using voucher.
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Well, it's expensive for sure. Before this my wife already using Neutrovis 4 layers. I already explained earlier the reason for my choice. She only use mask at work thus only needs 26 or so every month.

As for me, I have been using 3 ply medicos sure to nature of work, hot and humid. The machine broke down and repairman need to wait until mid September for 2nd dose thus I'm currently has some free time to try these mask. I also had some N95 before and totally can't stand the heat plus breathing difficulty while wearing it for work.
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post Sep 4 2021, 08:42 AM

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QUOTE(mochicake @ Sep 3 2021, 05:06 PM)
Thanks to your wife for testing the Neutrovis masks. I have been wearing it daily this past work week, tho don't work close to anyone and it is very comfortable. But go grocery store still wore a n95. Dunno when my paranoia will ease to be able to wear kf94s everywhere.

Right now so many options so going to give Respack a miss thanks to all the feedback by you and others in this thread. Really disappointed with their official store, shipping out very2 slow & no communication ... compared to all those random Korean stores or other online orders all through week.

I went and got more wiicare plus some Bluna kf94 from Korea (RM99 for 30pcs). These are mostly for the hubby and his big face/head but still got to convince him to switch from 4-ply medicos to kf94 daily to work.
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Update on Respack part2:

Today I tried blue respack KF94 and I was honestly surprised. On touch, you will feel it is thinner but I dont really think that it is a good indicator since we are human. What I felt is that the outer blue color layer is so much softer than the black ones. Not only that, the inner layer which touch the face is also softer and less fibers were seen poking out. I dont feel the same itchiness like when I tried the black ones. As for the size, I placed one ontop of the other and they looked the same but when you wear it, you definitely feel the difference in size. I think it has to do with the stitching lines difference between black and blue. The black feels like it can tuck in further than the blue creating a feel that the mask is smaller. The black can tuck in until the stitching line touch the chin but the blue can only extend until the flap wrapped around the chin nicely.

It is hard to say which is better really but I think I prefer the blue ones. It is softer, less fibers poking out from the inner layer which dont feel itchy at all, and it still fits my face.

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post Sep 4 2021, 02:01 PM

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Is Neutrovis KF94 certified? Didnt see any logo at box or individual packaging. Not kfda, ce or mda

Edit : Btw, i go to watson to check the box. So it wasn't fake one. Dunno if watson sell fake, highly doubt it

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post Sep 4 2021, 04:29 PM

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QUOTE(andrekua2 @ Sep 4 2021, 08:42 AM)
Update on Respack part2:

Today I tried blue respack KF94 and I was honestly surprised. On touch, you will feel it is thinner but I dont really think that it is a good indicator since we are human. What I felt is that the outer blue color layer is so much softer than the black ones. Not only that, the inner layer which touch the face is also softer and less fibers were seen poking out. I dont feel the same itchiness like when I tried the black ones. As for the size, I placed one ontop of the other and they looked the same but when you wear it, you definitely feel the difference in size. I think it has to do with the stitching lines difference between black and blue. The black feels like it can tuck in further than the blue creating a feel that the mask is smaller. The black can tuck in until the stitching line touch the chin but the blue can only extend until the flap wrapped around the chin nicely.

It is hard to say which is better really but I think I prefer the blue ones. It is softer, less fibers poking out from the inner layer which dont feel itchy at all, and it still fits my face.
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Blue one got KFDA logo on the box. Black one just CE and MDA. No KFDA. Maybe that why its different
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post Sep 4 2021, 06:15 PM

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QUOTE(march173 @ Sep 4 2021, 02:01 PM)
Is Neutrovis KF94 certified? Didnt see any logo at box or individual packaging. Not kfda, ce or mda

Edit : Btw, i go to watson to check the box. So it wasn't fake one. Dunno if watson sell fake, highly doubt it
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I got from Watson's official on Shopee the first two boxes. It's the same as the one got from Neutrovis official Lazada. Doubt Watson's bother get fakes esp for cheap plentiful products. None of those MDA, CE or KFDA on the box. Don't think they have it (yet) ... thought only korean accredited then can call it kf94? Made in China not Korea also.
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QUOTE(westernkl @ Aug 27 2021, 10:54 PM)
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Must have warning on the mask
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post Sep 4 2021, 09:39 PM

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QUOTE(mochicake @ Sep 4 2021, 06:15 PM)
I got from Watson's official on Shopee the first two boxes. It's the same as the one got from Neutrovis official Lazada. Doubt Watson's bother get fakes esp for cheap plentiful products. None of those MDA, CE or KFDA on the box. Don't think they have it (yet) ... thought only korean accredited then can call it kf94? Made in China not Korea also.
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Kf94 is korean standard. Slightly lower than n95.
The problem is, everyone thought it call kf94 because of its shape. Which is not
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post Sep 5 2021, 05:58 AM

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https://shopee.com.my/Yuka-Zan-KF94-4ply-Pr...994.11511703806

got people complaint yuka zan kf94 got QC issue. The shopee shop is listed officially on yukazan website
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post Sep 5 2021, 09:12 AM

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TBH it is almost impossible to determine if the kn95/kf94 masks available on our market are counterfeit/legit.

Take a look at the test results by CDC. Too many fake masks. What makes you think that our locally produced masks are as good as they proclaim? The best bet is buying 3M products, but they are too expensive for daily usage.

Like someone mentioned earlier, those tests circulated online (water leakage, inflammable fabric, etc) do not prove the filtration efficiency of masks. They can pass all the 'online tests', but the fact is they are just inefficient in filtering.

I even have doubts in how good is our MDA standard as compared to the international standards. There are no actual lab test filtration reports on MDA approved kn95/kf94 or any masks in our market.

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post Sep 5 2021, 01:18 PM

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QUOTE(PalakOtakHang @ Sep 5 2021, 05:58 AM)
https://shopee.com.my/Yuka-Zan-KF94-4ply-Pr...994.11511703806

got people complaint yuka zan kf94 got QC issue. The shopee shop is listed officially on yukazan website
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I skipped this brand cause 10 pcs all smooshed into one bag. Though it is cheap & affordable might make it worth it for some.


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post Sep 5 2021, 01:50 PM

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Got a few of these Good Manner kf94 shipped from Korea. Pharmacy from Korea in Shopee. Took 7 days total from order which is great. Fit hubby's huge face and nose very well. He actually want to wear it! The inside is very soft on the face. Exterior not very papery thin compared to wiicare. Good loops but no double loops to tighten. Cost is $2.30-2.60 depending on color.

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QUOTE(mochicake @ Sep 5 2021, 01:50 PM)
Got a few of these Good Manner kf94 shipped from Korea. Pharmacy from Korea in Shopee. Took 7 days total from order which is great. Fit hubby's huge face and nose very well. He actually want to wear it! The inside is very soft on the face. Exterior not very papery thin compared to wiicare. Good loops but no double loops to tighten. Cost is $2.30-2.60 depending on color. 

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Why ship frm overseas local Lazada seller in Selangor got carry these too. So they are good? Hmm might buy some for my dad. Atm I am using Adcare KN95 frm 7/11 those are made in China but comfortable for my ears so far.
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QUOTE(KopiChia @ Sep 5 2021, 02:35 PM)
Why ship frm overseas local Lazada seller in Selangor got carry these too. So they are good? Hmm might buy some for my dad. Atm I am using Adcare KN95 frm 7/11 those are made in China but comfortable for my ears so far.
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If it shipped from korea, you know its genuine kf94.
Korea government will punish those making fake mask and label them as kf94

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post Sep 5 2021, 03:03 PM

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QUOTE(KopiChia @ Sep 5 2021, 02:35 PM)
Why ship frm overseas local Lazada seller in Selangor got carry these too. So they are good? Hmm might buy some for my dad. Atm I am using Adcare KN95 frm 7/11 those are made in China but comfortable for my ears so far.
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Like what @March173 said if from Korea you know it's probably legit. Kf94 masks are a dime a dozen in Korea so there's probably no need to fake something so cheap. Reseller here might not have 100% assurance whether they selling authentic. Plus the quality of mask is better than ones found locally here around same price. I haven't worn out yet but from feel, random try-on inside house it's very comfortable.

Good Manner also sells from their official website and you can get 100-200 pcs in bulk but shipping to Malaysia about RM100. Unsure if face mask will be taxed by kastam? It also drives up the price to RM4-5 but then at least you know it is 100% legit. Black mask costs more than white even on their website so that explains why the pharmacy also did that.

https://goodmannermask.com/

The brand is sold mostly in Canada outside of Korea and had good results in tests - https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/mask-filtrat...place-1.5974442

The packaging on Good Manner no "FDA" on it unlike Wiicare which is what most authenticity articles say is a no-no (think wiicare will improve packaging after this batch and remove FDA?). I will buy 20-30 GM from shopee for a month's supply for hubby in the future if this is the final kf94 we settle on for his daily usage.

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QUOTE(march173 @ Sep 5 2021, 02:47 PM)
If it shipped from korea, you know its genuine kf94.
Korea government will punish those making fake mask and label them as kf94
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it is still possible to get counterfeit kf94 shipped directly from korea, look at these:
https://www.koreabiomed.com/news/articleView.html?idxno=9534
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/5177018/

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