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 How to identify Fake/Counterfeit KF94 mask?

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mochicake
post Aug 28 2021, 02:13 PM

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I buy Neutrovis kf94 from their official store on Laz/Shopee but not sure how to test filtration. RM29.90 for 10. Much more comfortable but there is some leakage at bottom on exhalation because of face shape. Seals pretty well on inhalation.
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post Aug 28 2021, 05:40 PM

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QUOTE(vincentboleh @ Aug 28 2021, 04:53 PM)
Made in China.
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Yeah thanks to this thread did some research and seems like Neutrovis kf94 is not yet in the MDA database. So far only been wearing it in the car commuting or open window to talk to policeman at roadblock. It's too bad as just made a big order and now have a bunch of masks. Now decided get some Respack someone mentioned upthread as it's in the MDA database at least.

Though will stick to 3m for real protection when going out. I was stocking up on the kf94 cause the earloops & was cheaper to throw away daily. The 3m one with earloop (9501?) is awfully uncomfortable & pinches the ear down even after 5 minutes. The new-ish 9513 has earloops but super expensive at $4-5 each but that's probably the way to go for me then. Will keep an eye on this thread to try out actual korean kf94s but tbh i rather buy from 3M official than some random store.
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post Aug 28 2021, 07:43 PM

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QUOTE(Momo33 @ Aug 28 2021, 06:43 AM)
this one better  .. with certification from FDA  and  KFDA.
its listed  on the FDA site  with performance  test results .

https://shopee.com.my/1P-%E2%96%A0-KF94-4pl...847.10321502787
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Bought a few to test. Thanks for info & link.
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post Aug 28 2021, 09:48 PM

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I watch this guy on youtube and he does comprehensive reviews & tests of various masks - https://www.youtube.com/user/coll0412

But all the brands he try are super expensive cause even though from HK or Asia as their pricing is for Americans/western world. I tried an order at Masklab with MYR pricing and it end up almost RM16 for 1 kf94 mask because shipping doubles the cost. Even then RM8 per mask better buy 3M N95 from official store.

Also follow the subreddit Masks4all but again they talk about these masks that might not be available here - or i can't find them but tbh haven't exactly looked hard yet. Someone did mention this "Good Manner" mask so bought a few today to test - https://shopee.com.my/Good-Manner-KF94-face...3063.9737186425 - anyone tried before?



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post Aug 29 2021, 12:50 AM

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QUOTE(mushigen @ Aug 28 2021, 11:35 PM)
When you said you bought to test, what sort of tests are you looking at? The thing with coronavirus is, unlike the haze where you can smell it, we cannot tell whether the respirator is indeed filtering the virus. Just have to trust the manufacturers.
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I don’t have any specific tests but after buying what’s recommended just see if suit my face shape or irritate my skin and see any inhale/exhale escape, how much in general but no precise readings. The subreddit does talk about ways to test at home like making a scent spray and whatnot but not sure how deep i wanna go with all that yet.

edit - how to diy home fit test https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/dis...ECBF5725047D7C8

https://youtu.be/TRCZ8Qnf0Z0

QUOTE(yourinfohere @ Aug 28 2021, 11:46 PM)
Hello, mochicake, mushigen and others,

Do you do a water test of 3M kn95 9501? Will drop like below?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPBx7L0Vco0
Respack 4ply KN95 vs KF94 Review
Timestamp 1:55

If you open/not open and take a 3M kn95 9501 hide the light, can you see the translucent lines and dots there?

Thank you.
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Uh i haven't test like that. Since get from 3m official store i have no doubt about it so don't want waste one. I try light test tomorrow.

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post Aug 29 2021, 10:33 AM

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QUOTE(PalakOtakHang @ Aug 29 2021, 03:09 AM)
Any of you wear cloth mask over kn95/kf94?
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No since with kn95 it may reduce efficacy like n95 so they don’t recommend. I used to double mask with suspect surgical mask (prob dust, thin from hardware store) when i was saving n95s to rotate in early 2020. If you want save n95s to rotate/reuse maybe?

Haven’t tried with kf94 but doesn't the cloth smoosh the kf94 into your face? If no good seal on the kf94 better not.

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post Aug 29 2021, 05:09 PM

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QUOTE(yourinfohere @ Aug 29 2021, 02:51 PM)
I wrong.
If you soap/wash and dry it away then test, maybe not accurate, normally will leak.

I think can't wash a mask, only before throw KN 95, in dry situation put the water and see how, this more accurate.
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True make no sense to wash the mask then test. As washing you changing that composition of what's coming from the factory. Tbh since buy from 3M i don't bother testing. Once come home i throw away in a bin outside the door. Even want to handle cut to open check layers don't really want. For now just buy from reputable sources then don't need try test at home.

It's probably dumb but the best test for me is if i can't smell anything at all, then the mask is good enough for me. Put on once step out of house then don't take off until at front door at home.

For now since n95 and kn95 are plentiful for healthcare workers plus public, no need reuse. Whenever go grocery shopping for example, I wear one then throw. My husband unfortunately has a huge head so he finds them all uncomfortable & hates the double band behind head (plus stubborn) ... so when he go work he only wears a 4-ply medicos surgical mask. I did force him to wear a 3M n95 9010 when he go to PPV but it was tough going lol That's why I keep hunting for new masks as want him to have more protection daily. But it needs to be comfy and easy so lots of 'testing' i.e. buy and try. That's why the kf94s are appealing. Top runners are kf94s and the new 3m advanced filtering/9513 with hook but still trying convince him. So keep the kf94 recommendations coming ...
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post Sep 2 2021, 08:42 AM

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QUOTE(andrekua2 @ Sep 1 2021, 10:55 PM)
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Amy Neutrovis KF94 users here? Can you check your packaging?

I just noticed that I had 2 different packaging after buying from 2 different sellers on Lazada.

On the left, just arrived from smart care pharmacy, packaging is not glossy. On the right is from mdes supplies, packaging is glossy on both sides. Both are manufactured in June which make it suspicious the difference in packaging. Box looks the same though. I still haven't open up the non glossy one to check if there's any difference. Will wait tomorrow when wife wants to wear.

She had used the glossy packaging ones from mdes, and since I tried out respack for the first time, I had the chance to compare both. I think neutrovis is very slightly thicker, had longer adjustable bar for nose, but the biggest difference is the inner of the mask. The surface on neutrovis feels smoother, compared to the respack which had many tiny fibers, like those normal mask. I can see that my wife acne has improved after wearing Neutrovis for few days.
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Why didn’t you buy from Neutrovis official? Then no doubt. Mine pink color also June manufactured date glossy. Most pink come from Neutrovis official Lazada and few from Watson’s (less than 5). Both packaging mine seem same.

Update - i open all box. The matte with Neutrovis visible on mask is new packaging, cause the blue is new color. Purchased from Lazada official store last week. All the pink is glossy. Black 1 box is the new packaging bought at same time with blue and pink.

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post Sep 2 2021, 09:44 AM

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QUOTE(nickxas @ Sep 2 2021, 09:30 AM)
aiyo, that 3m respirator is counterfeit lah shakehead.gif
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Ya so cheap with wrong filters also. With voucher can get from 3M 6200 with 7093 filters and wipes for about 80-90.

But think half mask respirator bit overkill to wear. Proper N95 is fine.

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post Sep 2 2021, 01:09 PM

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Sorry Respack but shipping so slow, cancelled Shopee order. Maybe if go pharmacy see box will grab one to try. Seems reviews say they are a bit thin? And too large for smaller faces.

Someone in kopitiam thread mentioned wiicare (which is in FDA and MDA). They have official store on shopee. Got these instead - in white, from parkcitypharmacy shop. Maybe this will be the best fit for hubby's huge face as it says "large". The mask reviewer in US says it fits like LG airwasher kf94 good for large face but those are RM10 each if buy from LG official.

https://shopee.com.my/WIICARE-KF94-FACE-MAS...1137.5357855592

Update - ordered wiicare last night, today show up already. the masks all the writing in korean and say "made in korea" expiry 2023. Tomorrow get hubby to try.

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post Sep 2 2021, 01:26 PM

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QUOTE(imbibug @ Sep 2 2021, 01:12 PM)
Do you know if the 3M 8210 mask filter is strictly a single use item only because its filter media relies more electrostatic charge?
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Most people now use one time and throw. Back in 2020 when there was shortage people even medical professionals re-used it and it was perfectly fine even with their high usage. They layer surgical mask on top which is thrown away daily, put n95 in paper bag every day and rotate between however many n95 they had usually letting it air out in bag for 5-7 days. So if someone cannot afford to throw n95s every day, they may be able to get away with doing that process.
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post Sep 2 2021, 02:10 PM

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QUOTE(imbibug @ Sep 2 2021, 02:08 PM)
What I want to know if is if the filter media on the 8210 is less dense compared to KN95/KF94 and relies more on electrostatic charge to trap particles.
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On the box it does state for single shift use only.
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post Sep 3 2021, 08:17 AM

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The wiicare masks fit well, no gap or air leak under chin unlike Neutrovis. For almost RM4 each is a bit steep. The material feels like old school surgical mask or sheets with crinkly sounds, not as refined as N. But at least got MDA/FDA approval.
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post Sep 3 2021, 05:06 PM

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QUOTE(andrekua2 @ Sep 3 2021, 04:55 PM)
I would advise against respack. My bro just told me (he was given samples by colleague) black is thicker and slightly bigger (air leaks on top slightly) while blue is thinner and smaller. Today is my third day of using the black color (I didnt want to use but since I want to let my wife use Neutrovis, but she already bought 2 packs, black and blue) and I still feel the slight itchiness due to the inner layer material. Tomorrow I think I will try and see if blue is indeed thinner and smaller as claimed by my brother.

Although Neutrovis do not have the certification, I think the quality is pretty good on the inner layer which is smooth. After I told my wife about the difference in packaging, she proceed and tore up 1 new mask from each packaging and burn them to check the quality. Both are 4 layers and 2 layer melt blown (pain to learn that RM5 is gone just like that when there is internet).
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Thanks to your wife for testing the Neutrovis masks. I have been wearing it daily this past work week, tho don't work close to anyone and it is very comfortable. But go grocery store still wore a n95. Dunno when my paranoia will ease to be able to wear kf94s everywhere.

Right now so many options so going to give Respack a miss thanks to all the feedback by you and others in this thread. Really disappointed with their official store, shipping out very2 slow & no communication ... compared to all those random Korean stores or other online orders all through week.

I went and got more wiicare plus some Bluna kf94 from Korea (RM99 for 30pcs). These are mostly for the hubby and his big face/head but still got to convince him to switch from 4-ply medicos to kf94 daily to work.
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post Sep 4 2021, 06:15 PM

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QUOTE(march173 @ Sep 4 2021, 02:01 PM)
Is Neutrovis KF94 certified? Didnt see any logo at box or individual packaging. Not kfda, ce or mda

Edit : Btw, i go to watson to check the box. So it wasn't fake one. Dunno if watson sell fake, highly doubt it
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I got from Watson's official on Shopee the first two boxes. It's the same as the one got from Neutrovis official Lazada. Doubt Watson's bother get fakes esp for cheap plentiful products. None of those MDA, CE or KFDA on the box. Don't think they have it (yet) ... thought only korean accredited then can call it kf94? Made in China not Korea also.
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post Sep 5 2021, 01:18 PM

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QUOTE(PalakOtakHang @ Sep 5 2021, 05:58 AM)
https://shopee.com.my/Yuka-Zan-KF94-4ply-Pr...994.11511703806

got people complaint yuka zan kf94 got QC issue. The shopee shop is listed officially on yukazan website
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I skipped this brand cause 10 pcs all smooshed into one bag. Though it is cheap & affordable might make it worth it for some.


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post Sep 5 2021, 01:50 PM

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Got a few of these Good Manner kf94 shipped from Korea. Pharmacy from Korea in Shopee. Took 7 days total from order which is great. Fit hubby's huge face and nose very well. He actually want to wear it! The inside is very soft on the face. Exterior not very papery thin compared to wiicare. Good loops but no double loops to tighten. Cost is $2.30-2.60 depending on color.

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post Sep 5 2021, 03:03 PM

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QUOTE(KopiChia @ Sep 5 2021, 02:35 PM)
Why ship frm overseas local Lazada seller in Selangor got carry these too. So they are good? Hmm might buy some for my dad. Atm I am using Adcare KN95 frm 7/11 those are made in China but comfortable for my ears so far.
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Like what @March173 said if from Korea you know it's probably legit. Kf94 masks are a dime a dozen in Korea so there's probably no need to fake something so cheap. Reseller here might not have 100% assurance whether they selling authentic. Plus the quality of mask is better than ones found locally here around same price. I haven't worn out yet but from feel, random try-on inside house it's very comfortable.

Good Manner also sells from their official website and you can get 100-200 pcs in bulk but shipping to Malaysia about RM100. Unsure if face mask will be taxed by kastam? It also drives up the price to RM4-5 but then at least you know it is 100% legit. Black mask costs more than white even on their website so that explains why the pharmacy also did that.

https://goodmannermask.com/

The brand is sold mostly in Canada outside of Korea and had good results in tests - https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/mask-filtrat...place-1.5974442

The packaging on Good Manner no "FDA" on it unlike Wiicare which is what most authenticity articles say is a no-no (think wiicare will improve packaging after this batch and remove FDA?). I will buy 20-30 GM from shopee for a month's supply for hubby in the future if this is the final kf94 we settle on for his daily usage.

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post Sep 5 2021, 08:39 PM

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QUOTE(anakMY @ Sep 5 2021, 07:59 PM)
How do u know its up to standard? Do they provide lab test certificates?
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Enough due diligence done for myself personally. Did you read the Canada FDA equivalent tests done where GM passed the tests? The GM brand is listed in FDA also for medical use - https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/cdrh...684251&lpcd=QKR

I dunno 100% seller not selling fakes but high probability they are not cause of reasons stated in my previous post. That is enough justification for me for kf94. From Korea better than local with their dodgy claims. I rather buy and wear a kf94 than kn95 from china. Far more risky and high risk of failures in tests with kn95s. I would wear a 3M n95 for high stress areas anyways. This is good enough for me and my family.
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post Sep 5 2021, 08:41 PM

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QUOTE(nickxas @ Sep 5 2021, 07:55 PM)
It was just RM1 per piece with free shipping during laz flash sale two weeks ago
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Did you buy from reseller in MY or shipped from Korea itself? It was still cheap for me as i got some other kf94s for $4 each (wiicare) so these were a steal.

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