Hello,
I want ask here for advise regarding the best tyre for Perodua Myvi.
I had an accident at the famous bend in Suntex due to aquaplaning recently.
My friend recommend Michelin Pilot Sport tyre.
After researching, I found there are 2 different ones. Pilot Sport 3 and Pilot Sport 4.
Is the PS4 tyre available for Myvi?
Are there better tyres? mostly driving in city and highways and I would not like to get into the aquaplaning situation again.
Hoping to have some recommendations/advice from forummers.
Thank you.

I believe for your vehicle, there's no size for PS4. Just get the PS3 if budget isn't an issue. The best tyre you can get with your size.

alright. thanks. seems that fit my budget too.
any recommended workshops and the estimated price? klang is too far and worried about the cases there.
is kee hin tyreplus at old klang road ok?

Most probably a Myvi's preferred Front camber is unfriendly to cornering at high enough speed.

I would first sort out this , and think about how to deal with rear camber and toes which are factory un-adjustable because it has a rear torsion beam?

This post has been edited by zeng: Aug 20 2021, 07:46 PM

185/55/15 PS3 would be the best wet weather tyre you can get. I think its about 260 270 ea for that size. I used the vios 15" rims on myvi to get to 15", if your myvi is not 15" yet coz the 14" don't have any good tyre.

PS3 come in 15" and up;
PS4 for 17" and up, no PS4 for tiny wheels .

keehin OKR very good service and fast, fresh tyre.
alignment also great.
price will not beat klang but reasonable for KL area.
no camber scam issue.
I run 2 sets of PS3 from keehin already.

Negative 1 camber as prescribed by kee hin also can botak outside edge of then-PP2 when I drove my godcar like hell.

A maivee should not brake in the corner as its already very front heavy.
Braking makes it worse, it lift up the rear.
Need to brake in the straight and lightly accelerate thru the corner, press the gas to press the rear down.

This post has been edited by ceo684: Aug 21 2021, 02:14 AM

My recommendation would be XM2+ of Michelin. Based on your requirements of aquaplaning as it has the best results.

test source

Currently it is priced at 180 you can check this table out -->Link

Why not you share what's your setup now? Like which gen of Myvi and what's the size and tyre brand/model you are using during the accident?

Difficult for other to recommend when they don't know even the basics like what I have said. PS3 recommendation doesn't work unless your rim is 15in or above. Even if your car is gen3 Myvi with 15in rim, PS3 (195/55R15) may not be suitable to be mounted on the ori rim of 5in width. Unless you use the 185/55R15 which is more expensive, as recommended by ceo684.

You see the problem now when you don't provide enough detail? Garbage in garbage out.

This post has been edited by speedy3210: Aug 21 2021, 09:26 AM

Glad to know that Kee Hin gave you negative 1° camber that improves your driving experience, probably after being told and listened to you of your desired/preferred driving style.

Btw, can you advise whether Kee Hin can make adjustments to a Myvi rear alignment angles which I supposed is a Rear torsion beam design?

No, your Myvi must already had previously replaced the factory Front strut bolt(s) (which are concentric) with an after-market eccentric camber bolts otherwise Kee Hin can't give your Myvi a negative 1° front camber. So your bolts were not stock?

Can you confirm this?

This post has been edited by zeng: Aug 21 2021, 11:23 AM

Hi guys,

May I know how much is the price for alignment in Keehin OKR?

Sorry to break most of your thinking about Michelin superioness.. If talk about aquaplanning.. Michelin sucks.. They are great for wet braking & handling performance but not aquaplanning performance. Need to differentiate clearly what he wants.

For best aquaplanning tires, seems Falken top the chart for ZE310.

https://www.tyrereviews.com/Article/2021-Sp...r-Tyre-Test.htm

Michelin is like the Apple products of tires. It’s not bad at all but often people will think whatever Michelin makes will be unmatched and the best.

They are definitely at the top with models like PS4/PS4S. Many different tests always show why they are placed there for a reason. But it doesn't mean I'm gonna recommend something like the XM2+ at its price point just because they are Michelin lol. In the end it's the specific tyre itself.

That test was just for touring mid range tires where it only included Primacy 4. If you include PS3/4, they would be much superior in aquaplaning resistance, especially PS3. Check various comparison tests of UHP category tires and you'll see PS4 often are in the top 5 or 3 in most tests. The other thing about Michelin PS series is how Michelin able to balance out between superior dry and wet performance with relatively excellent durability and good nvh too.

Slight corrections, ps4 is available from size 16 onwards.

go learn defensive driving... no super duper A+ tyre can help when zoom zoom corner into flooded road

hi all, can anyone help me, used myvi premium x 1.3, now recce for suitable tyre for replacement of my 3 years bridgestones tyre with standar rim, i want to upgrade to more better n secure one with sport rim

ride post japs

wanna ask how much / long usually is for learning defensive driving?

any recommended providers?

FYI, latest test for UHP tires

https://www.tyrereviews.com/Article/2021-Au...P-Tyre-Test.htm

Michelin Pilot Sport 4 still fall short in Aquaplaning resistant, even Falken FK510 also beat it.
The only advantage for PS4 only left dry braking...

But you see, eventhough PS4 didn't top any of the wet tests but it's still on average in the top half of the wet results meaning it is still performing pretty well. Furthermore you cannot just take 1 test then draw a conclusion. Need to see several others and see on average how were the results.

Well, you look back up the owner just want good aquaplaning tires. So the test results can show which tire is the better 1. Just a lot of people here think Michelin must be superior is everything, even comfort & silent which they campion long time also loss to Nexen..
As per cyapd feedback, Michelin now is like Apple going into branded category which sometime does not justify the high cost = high performance.

Well you started bashing Michelin using irrelevant examples too which were tests for Primacy 4 and PS4 which are not even available for TS size in 15'! So if you really want to go back to TS question, so what's your suggestion for TS size then?? Falken Ecorun? I suggest PS3 cuz I had used it before and I know how good it was in aquaplanning, beating all tires that I had used aside from maybe GY F1A3 and CSC5 which were not available too in 15'. Do you know if Ecorun is really better than PS3?

As for Nexen, it may beat Michelin in comfort in 1 or 2 tests but is it reliable enough? I've seen several times Nexen got bulging issues before. Does it excel in other criteria too, meaning overall well balanced performance across the board? How often a Nexen tires tops the ranking or within the top 5 in various tire tests by reputable reviewers?

I am not saying Michelin is the absolute best all the time too. To me I even think Goodyear now has better overall line up and value for money, but doesn't mean any other cheaper brands can also easily upstage Michelin in overall criteria across the board. Heck Continental and Pirelli are even often more expensive than Michelin yet often beaten too by Michelin or others.

BTW, I used Nexen RU1 tires before, no bulging issues and lasted over 65k some more fitted on SUV & gone with some light off road with it.
I have seen Michelin Primacy tires buldging issue also, it all came down on luck and also how the owner/driver use it.

Personally in our SUV group most cases we seen buldging issue is due to wrong type of tires use for wrong purpose. like the Michelin Primacy case the owner fit not SUV rated tires and abuse it with heavy loading and went off road with it. Some nexen tires also same in early stage when they want to intro in our market they bring in those cheap budget range tires, some member also fitted cheap passenger tires on their SUV.

If normal road using without abuse or hitting pot holes like nothing, i believe most budget tires also can survive.
But when go into more demanding mode, then it is wise to upgrade to suitable range.

This post has been edited by littlefire: Dec 23 2021, 04:40 PM

Then if wrong usage cannot blame the tires. The only real problem I see with Michelin is the chipping issue but that's not major. Nexen I've seen several times bulging despite proper usage. The bulging can be very slight almost not noticeable by eyes but when you touch the surface or drive it, then can feel it. So far only Hankook is really good for Korean brands, I personally wouldn't use those others like Kumho or Nexen.

When i bought Nexen tires they do have tire warranty, if it did not hit pot holes or got any punctured it can be claim within 1 year from my last purchase.
Usually they will sent for investigation of the tires like checking for sidewall crack or really their own problem.

BTW, the side minor bulging issue if not serious and only 1 place it is usually knew as tire sidewall indentation and it is usually harmless.
If found few place bulging and after do balancing still vibrate then it is tire problem.

What about Myvi with 14" rims? Which tyre would you guys recommend?

Depending on your budget. If money is not an issue, going to premium brand like Michelin, Bridgestone, Pirelli, Goodyear is safer bet.

If want middle range, Falken, Hankook, Yokohama, Toyo, Maxxis is also few good brands to consider.

https://www.tyrereviews.com/Search/Size/175...4/Season/Summer

My personal recommendation, either Falken SN832 or Yokohama ES32 for the balance value + performance.

https://www.tyrereviews.com/Article/2018-AD...-175-65-R14.htm

Falken SN832 score 1st for 175/65/R14 tyre category base on the review test link above.

This post has been edited by littlefire: Jan 4 2022, 09:10 AM

Whats the price of Falken SN832 and which tyre centre would you recommend?

Tyre price nowadays price up a lot and not accurate depending on areas

If you want to know direct ask stamford tyres as they are the main distributor of Falken tyres in Malaysia.

https://www.stamfordtyres.com.my/retail-workshop/

Just asked them, 175/65/14 is RM140 each. Reasonable?

But it is Falken SN832i. Is it the same with SN832?



This post has been edited by hustlerism: Jan 24 2022, 04:44 PM

Same bro.
RM140 consider cheap already.

been using ES32 for almost 20k mileage,the grip for wet is good...but seems the noise is higher than my previous dunlop j06.

is toyo CR1 is better than ES32 or same category?

CR1 is local design tires, while ES32 is design for international tires.
If you just want budget only, go for CR1 but dont expect better grip & performance as ES32.

If about noise, please check if your tires got a lot stone chips attach to is as ES32 tires got 1 weakness is due to softer rubber a lot of stones is easier to attach to the tyre tread groove. If you remove the stones the noise can reduce a bit.

Dunlop J06 when new is quiet, but after a while the material went harden and everything went to poor/normal for me. Personally i used before Dunlop but after 10k i changed due to poor braking performance as it went harden and my ride skidded far a lot during emergency braking. Thus i changed back to ES32 after considering all the factors.

This post has been edited by littlefire: Jan 31 2022, 10:57 AM

hmm u make sense regarding the stone chips attached to tyre,there's a lot of it,but its quite troublesome to remove everytime...well, any recommended tyre 1 tier above ES32?

Really dunlop j6 bad ?
I just changed to j6 last month, shit

So wat u did, can trade in the tyre after 10k?

Yes. I trade in for the ES32 with 50% of the original value from the Dunlop tires.

If you want better tires is either the Falken or go up to Michelin/Bridgestone/Pirelli level.

Xm2+ what is the market price ya these days? Maybe try to find some shops in glenmarie for my myvi 15" wheels

Hi all Sifu ,

For performance use , which Michelin tire are recommend ?

Wanna install for 16" rims at myvi gen3

Personally i dont recommend to go up to 16".
Usually 15" is more better as more performance tyre size & model is available compare to 16"
If want proper mode better opt for wider & lighter sport rim and go for 195/50/R15 tyre size. (Michelin if not mistaken only got PS3 for this size)
If die die need 16" you will need to up size to 205/45/R16 also only PS3 available.

Agree, stay 15 and use PS3 if want Michelin.

lighter sport rim got any recommend ?

Go to sport rim shop and ask to recommend.
Ask them bring weighing machine and weigh your original sport rim against the new sport rim.
If got money sure we recommend genuine Japanese sport rim, if low budget can consider Thailand made Lenso or other brands.

https://kingofrims.com.my/product/wheel?sea...gory=15&inch=15

King of rims is also a good place to search for sport rim recommendation.

LENSO and Advanti rims good ? never try those before , are they light weight rims ?

"Ask them bring weighing machine and weigh your original sport rim against the new sport rim."

Already mentioned this before.
What do you think the weighing machine do?
Ask them weight the sport rims you like and compare the weight.
Main objective for sure lighter the better for aftermarket sport rims.

Going for Advanti Storm S1 since it only weight 4.7kg

This post has been edited by StrikeQUAN: Mar 8 2022, 02:03 PM

Lmao, any update/follow-up from TS or anybody else?
So PS3 vs XM2+ or any other relevant brand for wet grip & braking/aquaplanning issues

Based on my check the best bet for a wet tire for Myvi is the Xm2+. Wet braking is absolute best in-class while having excellent wear. I had also had a quick look on aquaplaning and XM2+ is the top of the class. So no worries.

Michelin even with top of the range aquaplaning is not always the top of the class, the only best for Xm2+ is it can last longer and the rest like wet & dry braking performance will not wear much even after long use, this is their real advantage.

Do not mix aquaplaning with wet braking, these 2 are different category. I always heard a lot of people say it but aquaplaning means you need to drive thru certain water level at a certain speed without loosing control, Michelin is not the best in this category. If want solely better aquaplaning tires, Falken & many other brands (even Maxxis) also can beat Michelin in this category. Aquaplaning are tested via Straight Aqua & Curved Aquaplaning, just google about tyre review.

There's a marked diff between grip with lower grade eco tyres vs PS3 or Primacy3.
With PS3 hardly activate ABS and worth every penny as I can use them to 0% (hit the TWI).

Other tyres like Fxxken 912, Yoko C-drive at 30% already activate ABS in standstill jam when its raining.

Your mentioning wet braking performance, this is their strength. If Aquaplaning that is different.

BTW the tires you mentioned about already obsolete and replaced by newer model, Falken 912 & Yoko C-Drive both consider touring tires.
Not sure why you pick a higher PS3 (UHP) tires and compare lower grade tires.. If both of them can did better, you can throw Michelin tires in the drain already.


This post has been edited by littlefire: Oct 3 2022, 10:38 AM

Got my Myvi 2018 new set of Michelin XM2+ at Setia Taipan for RM200/pcs (standard size) during lunch break at S-One Tyre & Sport Rims, owner said can be done in 30mins and he is not kidding

Shop beside Petron, convenience for me since near by my office

This post has been edited by Old1030: Oct 4 2022, 03:11 PM

i changed all 4 tyres with XM2+. happy with them so far. seems quieter and smoother drive. I didnt go for ps3 or ps4 because i would need to change the rims.

For sure, aquaplaning and wet braking is totally different test. However from physics point of view a good wet braking compound actually helps to dissipate more water during driving hence the improvement in aquaplaning. Based on internal test results which I have seen, xm2+ is definitely the best aquaplaning tire in its class.

Try not to dispute further. You have your own view, but if your ride already loss control during aquaplaning, wet braking does not help and you can only reduce speed via ease off acceleration.

Plenty of information on how to control back your ride during aquaplaning and most of it advice don't emergency brake (which wet braking is no use during this situation or maybe make it even worse)

https://www.torque.com.sg/advice/how-to-prevent-aquaplaning/

This post has been edited by littlefire: Oct 5 2022, 08:50 AM

So did you manage to screen shot the Before alignment readings indicating poor alignment angles that I strongly suspect contributing to your accident?

You'd then understeer or oversteer problem during cornering/turning when the accident happens right?

I have no idea about that. the old tyres was 8yrs old when the accident happened. most probably the tyres are already worn out.

My stock myvi tyre size is 185/55/R15. Anyone here changed to 195/55 R15? Does it affect anything aside from maybe fuel consumption?

I did. Didn't affect anything, even speedometer also just a little diff. FC, not noticeable.

Thanks for info! Changed to 195/55 R15 Michelin PS3 today. RM290 per donut now wow.. Used to be around RM250..
Also while alignment that guy told me my camber bengkok, ask me to change to their camber screw @ RM90 for standard and RM150 for better one.. But then I also came across this camber screw scam issue thread not long ago..

So I just decline and say I'll observe myself lol.. The old tyre took out from my car also even wear so I think I'll just remain as it is and observe wear pattern from time to time

You're damn wrong and misleading on the bold above.

The concept of eccentric front camber screw/bolt is real and genuine as a way of providing adjustability to Front cambers.

It IS applicable to all generations of Myvi AND all Peroduas' if not most or all Asian cars.

I was told the stock ones are fixed and non-adjustable and they wanted to replace to an adjustable one to set it properly.
But stock was fixed tho, does it mean we are not supposed to adjust anything?

Also the tyre that they took out from the 'misaligned' side doesn't seem to have uneven tyre wear. They wear evenly.
Plus a single screw they charge RM90/ RM150 later and later need redo alignment lagi.. I thought my case was similar to those that kena the scam. No?

anyone used Maxxis Victra I-Pro before for myvi gen3 ?

Oops.....
Yes, the stock ones are fixed type and non-adjustable type of front absorber bolts (for front cambers) , as is the case with most lower priced Asian segments A to C cars.

However as most front alignment angles with factory bolts are contributing to less-than-desirable driving experience, in this context of undesirable angles the factory bolts can be replaced with after market front camber eccentric bolts providing front camber adjustments, which if done correctly can very much improve driving experience and safety even with a cheapo Asian cars.

This adjustment can also help in getting even and slower tyre wear rates, which may not be relevant in your current context though as you're not encountering one.

RM90/RM150 per pc of camber bolt is indeed over priced and may deem to be a scam in terms of price/charges, NOT in terms of its 'technology' in improving driving experience and safety.

Yes, installation of after market camber eccentric bolts if not done properly necesitates a subsequent wheel alignment job.

But a competent guy with some 'tricks' can and able to install such camber bolts whilst still maintaining the 'previously good' alignment angles to begin with, without incurring additional expenses on subsequent wheel alignment job.

This post has been edited by zeng: Jan 14 2023, 09:11 PM

straight line only rite.

A lot of positive reviews and users in the forums so far.

so best sizing would be 195/55/15 for 1.3 engine?

Yes

15" . same . not much effect. Problem is car is light. Aqua planning will occur no matter what tyre you use. Just drive slower..

Wah, so long time post still got reply.
Anyway Michelin sucks in Aquaplanning, they are only great in wet braking.
A lot of test from youtube & website like tirereviews already got data to proof.

Check on the Tyre Test Results and look for Aquaplanning or straight/curved Aqua data ratings

PS 3 Review
https://www.tyrereviews.com/Tyre/Michelin/P...Sport-3-PS3.htm

PS 4 Review
https://www.tyrereviews.com/Tyre/Michelin/Pilot-Sport-4.htm

Michelin dont score top of the chart table on these categories... If primary looking into Aquaplaning performance better get others..

All these reviews are highly subjective. It depends on the newness of the rubber, road conditions at the time, vehicle used, etc etc. A myvi on PS3 would fare very differently with a BMW 530i on the same model of tires

With regards to Myvi running 195 55 15, PS3 is probably the best all rounder one can get with a relatively long lifespan
Only drawback is the price which is at the highest it has ever been in history

The previous reply is for the guy which want a better hydroplane tire. Unless you got any test data done locally, if not words also just words.
If want to know which tire model provide the best for different category, these website test data can provide the best reference.

Simple said, buy the tire which match your/driver preference and not by brand. If you prefer overall and can pay premium, then just go buy Michelin since is your money anyways.