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post May 30 2021, 09:59 AM

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QUOTE(treblecase @ May 30 2021, 09:53 AM)
And Chelsea is just one UCL away from equalling our European cup trophy. In fact if you wanna just count the UCL alone they’re equal with us. Yeah, we are just like pool talking about history last time.

If Ole is given the war chest this summer & he flops again, there willl be a new manager by Xmas this year.
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What if he's staying at the top in xmas or Jan and given another new contract? Hahaha

After new contract, then flops.. And repeat this every season

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QUOTE(cedriclee @ May 30 2021, 09:35 AM)
Since Roman bought the club, the strategy is to keep sacking their coaches until you hire a coach that win something immediately, and it has worked damn well for them. 2 UCL in last 9 years and a few league titles.

Roman got no patience to rebuild a squad or wait 2-3 seasons for a team to gel. Chelsea is definitely not a club for newbie manager to gain their managerial experience points and up their level.

Ole got it pretty comfortable here. All he has to do is win a few match in a row to secure his job when he is under pressure.
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There is a difference to both owners, primarily in their objectives for the club.

Abramovich prioritizes trophies and performance. This is evidenced by his actions since taking ownership. The only season where he deviated was when he tried to instil a club philosophy style of play inspired by the legendary Barca side which saw him hire Ancelotti. That phase didn't satisfy him and he went back to wanting to win stuff.

The Glazers run United like a corporate entity prioritizing profits and protecting their owner dividends. This is evidenced by their actions since taking ownership. All transfer funds were a fraction of the revenue generated by the club so it was all self funded. Old Trafford as a stadium has been left to rot and is now a huge issue, a monument to our profit first policy.

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post May 30 2021, 10:01 AM

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QUOTE(cedriclee @ May 30 2021, 09:57 AM)
Zidane win straight UCL with a prime CR7, now without CR7 he failed. Makes me questions how good is he as a tactician

Menyu keep saying SAF have to build for 3-4 years to taste success. Just because of this we're gonna give every manager 3-4 years time?

If Like that 30 years later also can't taste success again. Modern football has changed.
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Zidane is a potent tactician. You do not win multiple CLs without being one.
At the highest level, money and squad alone cannot take you to the title. Look at PSG. Even poor Pep in recent years.

Zidane does not get the credit he deserves.

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post May 30 2021, 10:06 AM

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so, Ole stil the manager now?
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post May 30 2021, 10:10 AM

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QUOTE(skylinelover @ May 30 2021, 09:52 AM)
Haha guess money truly can buy success after all laugh.gif laugh.gif

Zidane did great with generation 1 in galaticos

No other club can win 4 in a row CL again

Mengyu still trying 2 live the SAF spirit rebuilding i guess laugh.gif laugh.gif
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rebuilding and wait for 6 years to prove that Ole is SAF reincarnation
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post May 30 2021, 10:34 AM

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QUOTE(treblecase @ May 30 2021, 09:53 AM)
And Chelsea is just one UCL away from equalling our European cup trophy. In fact if you wanna just count the UCL alone they’re equal with us. Yeah, we are just like pool talking about history last time.

If Ole is given the war chest this summer & he flops again, there willl be a new manager by Xmas this year.
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If not for that two finals with barca, we already have equal Liverpool than with 5 trophies last time and got badge of honours on our jersey! That’s all messi’s fault 😂
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QUOTE(statikinetic @ May 30 2021, 09:59 AM)
There is a difference to both owners, primarily in their objectives for the club.

Abramovich prioritizes trophies and performance. This is evidenced by his actions since taking ownership. The only season where he deviated was when he tried to instil a club philosophy style of play inspired by the legendary Barca side which saw him hire Ancelotti. That phase didn't satisfy him and he went back to wanting to win stuff.

The Glazers run United like a corporate entity prioritizing profits and protecting their owner dividends. This is evidenced by their actions since taking ownership. All transfer funds were a fraction of the revenue generated by the club so it was all self funded. Old Trafford as a stadium has been left to rot and is now a huge issue, a monument to our profit first policy.
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Our stadium dulu is top notch condition, now sampah compared to other stadiums. Don’t need to go far, even our neighbour not only have top class stadium, training facility pun power. This one mmg glazer punya fault.
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post May 30 2021, 10:52 AM

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QUOTE(damnself @ May 30 2021, 10:37 AM)
Our stadium dulu is top notch condition, now sampah compared to other stadiums. Don’t need to go far, even our neighbour not only have top class stadium, training facility pun power. This one mmg glazer punya fault.
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What a sad state of affair.

It’s gonna depend who we can get this summer. The rumoured Kane, Sancho, Varane acquisition is out of the question as Ole has only a £150m transfer budget. And City would likely win Kane’s signature what with them losing the UCL last nite & Aguero’s departure.

But as Tucel has proven with Chelsea, when none of the players he has currently in the Chelsea squad his acquisition, but still managed to finished a credible 4th in EPL & most importantly winning UCL, you begin to wonder if getting a coach’s preferred players is that important afterall.
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If someone just judge our past 2 years performance based on the result without watching single match, for sure they will say ole is the right person as it show progressive result, we are on right track on rebuilding bla bla bla. But is it what happening in reality? I am not convinced at all. To me Ole either is genius which nobody understand him or he is just a clueless manager, I am inclined to latter. He always sticked to the same players on his starting xi whenever possible because that is the only game plan he have, rely on luck and individual brilliant. Will a manager keep playing his injured player while keep the sub in cold storage or just give tiny playtime to the sub. When lose in big game, excuse given is we need strengthen our sub because our current sub is useless, Ole and his coaching team is the one that make them useless. As a manager you should know all your players strength\weaknesses and capitalize it.

Here's the interview where Rashford mentioned 5-7 players already have injury since beginning of season. If Ole doesn't change and gave more trust and playing time to sub, our sub will forever useless to him no matter how many players we buy this summer.


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post May 30 2021, 12:17 PM

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If you watch any of these two UCL finalist manager's interview.. you will noticed that these two managers are obsessed about football, they are just eat-sleep football kind of people..

If you watch Ole's interviews.. you will notice that he is obsessed about being another SAF
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With everyone's mind on the recent CL win for Chelsea, let me use this opportunity to highlight the performaces of a world class CDM. Kante. MotM in semis and the final.

He not just provides the defensive cover for the team, but is also talented enough to distribute when in possession and brings bags of energy to the midfield.
This allows for a regista style player in Jorginho to be paired with him which forms a strong midfield spine.

You need all 3 requisites in a single player - Defensive nous, distribution, energy.
Fred has atrocious distribution but has defensive nous & energy.
McTominay is mediocre defensively, ok in enery and distribution.

Which is why Ole persists with McFred.


I see Pogba getting a lot of stick for midfield performances but we need to keep in mind he needs to do defensive work which is not his forte when paired with either Fred or McTominay.
Imagine if we had Kante, and our midfield pivot was Pogba-Kante. France's world cup winning pivot. I would think it would change.

Still no reliable transfer news around a CDM yet.
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QUOTE(silvertoes @ May 30 2021, 12:17 PM)
If you watch any of these two UCL finalist manager's interview.. you will noticed that these two managers are obsessed about football, they are just eat-sleep football kind of people..

If you watch Ole's interviews.. you will notice that he is obsessed about being another SAF
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And Roman even though he is ruthless, he still passionate about football and also business minded. Meanwhile glazers don’t know anything about football. I think this guys Futsal pun tak pernah main 😂😂
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post May 30 2021, 01:31 PM

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and pep still have not win UCL with other teams except barca hehe
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SAF Never Give In docu is out now.. (pirate also out already).. lets watch and relive the gloray days laugh.gif
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post May 30 2021, 01:59 PM

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QUOTE(statikinetic @ May 30 2021, 01:00 PM)
With everyone's mind on the recent CL win for Chelsea, let me use this opportunity to highlight the performaces of a world class CDM. Kante. MotM in semis and the final.

He not just provides the defensive cover for the team, but is also talented enough to distribute when in possession and brings bags of energy to the midfield.
This allows for a regista style player in Jorginho to be paired with him which forms a strong midfield spine.

You need all 3 requisites in a single player - Defensive nous, distribution, energy.
Fred has atrocious distribution but has defensive nous & energy.
McTominay is mediocre defensively, ok in enery and distribution.

Which is why Ole persists with McFred.
I see Pogba getting a lot of stick for midfield performances but we need to keep in mind he needs to do defensive work which is not his forte when paired with either Fred or McTominay.
Imagine if we had Kante, and our midfield pivot was Pogba-Kante. France's world cup winning pivot. I would think it would change.

Still no reliable transfer news around a CDM yet.
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Yup like it or not currently McFred partnership the best we got there.. Matic also no longer can. Doubt vdb can fit playing there. Thts why priority should be a good CDM ahead of any

Under tuchel kante seem given more free role to go up and help attack too making it more flexible. But chelsea also got no good cover for kante.

As for the final.. Pep seem to gamble and tinkering his mid not playing rodri. Havert goal might not happen wt rodri cover backline. Still front player the one disappoint KDB, mahrez, sterling not showing up just like our final but atleast pep did make sub not waiting and hoping for magic only
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Kante is up for contract renewal.. just try grab him from Chelski la.. why not lol.. the dude is pure class on and off the field
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QUOTE(silvertoes @ May 30 2021, 02:27 PM)
Kante is up for contract renewal.. just try grab him from Chelski la.. why not lol.. the dude is pure class on and off the field
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yeah...but then again, why would he join us? lol
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QUOTE(O-haiyo @ May 30 2021, 02:29 PM)
yeah...but then again, why would he join us? lol
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why? because of 270k per week bro.. but the guy is not about that lavish lifestyle though hmm.gif
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QUOTE(statikinetic @ May 30 2021, 10:01 AM)
Zidane is a potent tactician. You do not win multiple CLs without being one.
At the highest level, money and squad alone cannot take you to the title. Look at PSG. Even poor Pep in recent years.

Zidane does not get the credit he deserves.
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Zidane was under attack half year ago and the board did not protect him at all, Ole on the other hand getting assurance from Kayu and Glazers at that time, it show how important a club owner/CEO confidence towards their manager.


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QUOTE(silvertoes @ May 30 2021, 02:27 PM)
Kante is up for contract renewal.. just try grab him from Chelski la.. why not lol.. the dude is pure class on and off the field
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why would he want to join Ole? Pogba to chelsea make more sense.

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