What's more interesting is the irony , you don't understand yet somehow you got it all figured there isn't much difference .

This post has been edited by Convael: Jun 26 2021, 01:34 PM

Why is this relevant ?


Its not happening in MY , period .

That is a little bit too pricey .

You can probably get the A90J for RM14.5K on shopee now .

The A90J has a better resistance to image retention and slightly brighter full screen white .

The A80J also skimped on the anti-reflection coating the screen compare to A90J .

This post has been edited by Convael: Jul 30 2021, 12:48 PM

That is actually a massive downgrade .

Not at all .

Z9D is much brighter and has best FALD in the industry even according to modern standard.
A true testament of Sony 's dedication to picture quality .

X90J is Sony's mid range TV , it merely has 24 FALD zones , which is insignificant compare to Z9D 's 500 + zones .
Not to say X90J is bad but it would take a lot to dethrone a Legendary LCD model from Sony .


The only upgrades I can think of is either you go for their OLED or if you insist to stick with LCD , those Samsung MiniLED are even brighter and packed with quantum dots colors .

This post has been edited by Convael: Sep 19 2021, 06:54 PM

Not the cheapest deal I have ever seen but it is reasonable .

This post has been edited by Convael: Sep 20 2021, 06:11 PM

I have seen them below 6k with cashbacks and free stuff during sales period .
You can probably extort for further discount on 11/11 .


Again , why wait when you can have the TV now ? It's not like you aren't going to get another 50 % discount from 6k .

Inaccurate assessment , because Accuracy of each individual TV models is highly subjected to Unit Variance since most TV are mass produced .
If you look at the pre-cab scoring from rting , the best scoring model is QN90A , which completely nullify your argument choosing Sony over Samsung .



In general , most of the mid-range to high end TVs should have acceptable accuracy when switching to the most accurate viewing mode .
Sometimes a little warmer , or a little cooler but nothing too destructive compare to the ABC from China .

This post has been edited by Convael: Oct 8 2021, 12:50 PM

I don't think you understand what those ranking means IRL .

There are a bunch of Sony TV scoring below 7 and you seem to think 5.8 is much worse .
The truth is both Samsung and LG has far more entry level models than Sony, it is only natural they are taking more spots at the bottom .



I am telling you this , pre-cab settings are random , period .

And no , the adherence to the HDR EOTF curve is but only 1 minor aspect of Picture Accuracy .
In fact , that has nothing to do with pre-cab at all because the numbers are not randomized , they are going by the same input from the factory calibration .
Meaning ? You cannot exactly change the value without making sacrifice because they are how the brand want you to see view HDR on their screen , it is intentional .

And please don't throw HDTVtest's quoting at me , tyvm .
You are talking to someone who actually calibrate TVs here , not random fanboi who defend their brands obsessively not knowing what they are talking about .


If accuracy means that much to you , why are you even looking at Sony ?
Panasonic is the King of that . No one come close to them even for pre-cab settings .

Instead of being obsessed with pre-cab settings , you should be looking at their CMS .
2 points are easy to do on Sony's CMS but if you are looking at 10 points , you should be looking at Panasonic .

This post has been edited by Convael: Oct 8 2021, 01:20 PM

try this

The black crush is not mostly a problem , because of the amount of dynamic range OLED has .

In fact it was intentional and served as a dithering mask to smoothen out black -> dark gray transition .
When you start from zero , you have plenty of headroom left compare to any LCD .


Dim screen is also not an issue either , after 10000 or even 100000 hours of rigorous testing from rting and several media outlet , the brightness ratings have not actually dropped .

For most people this would probably means a decade of TV watching .

This post has been edited by Convael: Dec 17 2021, 02:57 PM

I don't think you understand what is HDR , if at all .


Dynamic range is like a canvas . It is measured similarly to contrast , which starts from the deepest black expanding to the brightest peak .
It is what is giving pictures a sense of depth , again similiar to how we measure contrast which play the biggest role in determining picture quality .


Yet under a typical situation , a 500 nits OLED TV will generate the same amount of impact (or "POP" which many of you have heard from HDTV ) as a 1500 nits LCD .
That is because when it comes to dynamic range , the " darker " side of the measurement is far more valued than the brighter end of the spectrum .
Which is also why the current LCD are trying to play catch up with " light blocking technology " such as the FALD / Mini LED .


Human eyes are very sensitive to lights in a way that we are able to perceive more details in a dimmer environment than under strong lights.

A 1500 nits FALD TV probably has a base black floor of around 0.025 cd/m2 , which is roughly equivalent to 1:12000 contrast .
The OLED always starts from 0 , even with a 800 peak brightness it has a typical contrast rating of 1 : 1000000 .

As you can see here , the gap of just 0.025 cm/2 makes up for such a stark difference in contrast ratings .

This is due to the flaws coming from the same tech that powers all currently liquid crystal screen , which require a backlight system .

The current backlight system is far from perfection , often requires complex calculation to be functional and pales in real life performance .
The same reason why even these 1000 nits monitor are considered fake HDR advertising . They are just bright screens , there is very little dynamic range on it because they are unable to supress the lights effectively .




You just said you can't afford an OLED , yet you somehow manage to come to this conclusion .
Please don't tell me you are making the judgement from a highly compressed youtube video with an extremely limited dynamic range .

If we are just going to talk about the HDR " wow " factor , it is physically impossible for this to happen , it is the same as saying 1000 cm is shorter than 10 cm .

The only circumstance I can think of is you are in a very bright room or you are watching large patch of snow field , in which case the strong ambient light is overpowering the screen with glares .
Self emissive screen such as the OLED always gain an advantage and willl trample over the LED LCDs when it comes to sheer picture quality .

And we have not even begin to talk about dark room performance .

In dim / pitch black room , that advantage will translate into infinite contrast . Anything with a darker background will be imbued with incredible depth , projecting a sense of image floating in air , conjuring a semi - 3d illusion , a PQ miracle which you have to witness to understand how awesome it is .



Now now , considering there are plethora of LCD Issue such as screen uniformity , uneven screen light distribution which further reduce dynamic range and contrast , "halos" , blooming and backlight leakage . Not to say the OLED doesn't has its own flaws but they certainly don't affect Picture Quality to the same extends . If we are being frank here , the 2 technology are not in the same running league .


There are other things Samsung's very high end QLED did better than OLED , but picture quality and contrast [ and thus , dynamic range ] are not one of them .

This post has been edited by Convael: Dec 17 2021, 03:28 PM

All I am saying is , brighter screens =/= better screens .

Video camera lens used to do vidcap is far less advanced than our eyeballs , hence impossible for them to capture the same dynamic range a pair of human eyes can perceive .

The OLED you are watching from tablet are most likely AMOLED , manufactured by Samsung .
They are structurally different than the wRGB OLED used by LG in their commercial TV .

Which means without actually being present in the comparison scene, the difference you saw on a youtube vid could have come from your tablet / mobile screen , instead of the TVs .

This post has been edited by Convael: Dec 17 2021, 04:40 PM

no.

I like the optimism , but nope . Not this year , at least .

This post has been edited by Convael: May 6 2022, 04:39 PM

Mostly has to do with the Local Dimming system .


The X90K , is still largely an upgrade over X90J . It comes with 54 FALD zones and 1000 nits peaks , subsequently a major boost in color saturation as well .


Unfortunately , also because of the tremendous increase in screen luminance ( 25% - sustainable 865 nits is really bright for TV ) , despite of the already an upgrade on Dimming Zones it fails to keep up to suppress blooming and other " light pollution " issues such as the black uniformity , which also affects Contrast .

In comparison , the Samsung TV which can reach similar brightness has over 700 dimming zones from Mini-LED . [ and also more pricey ]


In general , it is still an upgrade if you are getting it for a living room . Otherwise , just stick to X90J .

This post has been edited by Convael: Jun 21 2022, 09:44 PM

Yes , look at the offers Here

HELL NO . Not 10000 for a used set .


You can already get it for less than 10k for a new unit during last month sales .


Or You can just get an A80J much cheaper for more or less the same Picture Quality .


The A90J has slightly brighter highlights and a built-in heatsink .
That means it will clear up those image retention faster ( NOT TO BE CONFUSED with Burn-Ins ) .

Unless you are planning to use this TV for a lot of static content , I am still not convinced it is worth paying extra .



Overall I am quite disappointed at the 2022 line up from Sony .
Obviously we are NOT getting the new Quantum Dots OLED model but they have also scapped the plan to release flagship wRGB A90K .
So , no flagship OLED from Sony this year . And the Flagship MINI-LED is only available @ 85 " for an absurd price tag .

It is understandable because the sales of TV have slowed down across all markets .

That is on top of the launch of more affordable OLED line up from LG .
Which means they have a lot of stocks remained ( especially the previously super popular X90 series ) .

This post has been edited by Convael: Jul 28 2022, 04:00 PM

There might be some during the sales . Try the 7.7 lazada / shopee .
From what I've heard , they have been clearing last year models at some really incredible price .
Desa Home also tend to give you some really hefty discount if you are willing to nego .


Personally I just don't think second hand OLEDs are worth it , because there is no reliable way to determine the usage patterns of the panels .


I have calibrated both A90J and A80J in the past , they are very identical in picture quality .
In fact , I have had a chance to look (stare) at both of them side by side at Sony @ Lalaport .

I am not convinced it is worth spending more for the A90J for now .
The slightly better color saturation is actually part of Sony's pixel contrast booster and has actually been that way since A9F . They are also available on the A8 series .


The QD-OLED is definitely a massive upgrade , seen it first hand in an Alienware's event . But they are not coming anytime soon due to limited yields .

This post has been edited by Convael: Jul 6 2022, 09:03 PM

It really depends on your expectation.

Do you expect to be blown away ? Or you just want a large and decent TV to brag to your guests ( trust me , some people buy TV for such purposes ) .

X90 is especially good for the latter purpose but the 48" OLEDs too are landing at the similar price bracket and comes with some of the best PQ . Obviously it is smaller , which means less bragging rights .
X90J and X90K are more or less the same , just buy whichever that is the cheapest you find .

The LG 's LCD QNED91 , miniLED TV also makes for quite a good living room TV . Previously we would just ignore any LCD from LG , but these MINILED is really good at masking the IPS lousy contrast in a lit room .

This post has been edited by Convael: Jul 6 2022, 08:37 PM

The X90 , QNED81 is not MiniLED .

This post has been edited by Convael: Jul 15 2022, 06:46 PM