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Convael
post Jul 20 2022, 02:22 PM

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QUOTE(Kahlamx @ Jul 19 2022, 05:37 PM)
I was at Sony Curve this past weekend, they have 1 unit of 85 X95K in the box, yes price is definitely very absurd. 28999 - 2k discount 26999.  They didnt have anything for display though, so I cant view the TV. How's this TV compare to say QN95B?
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I have not actually seen a QN95B yet but I know the local QN95B is of the VA version ( with the View angles tweaks ) , which is a good thing consider how many were ranting on last year QN95A . So if it is anything like the last year QN95A , it is probably a very impressive TV .



As for the X95K , it is Sony's first MINI LED and its performance is disappointing . Its specification is inferior to the ones found on Samsung's .
I just don't think Sony's focus is on the high end LCD anymore . They are completely overshadowed by the QD-OLED & wRGB line up .

For typical users , the QN95B is better in almost every way . Especially if you are like me , spend a lot of times to fiddle around with the settings .


It is basically a mini supernova , sustaining @ 2000 cd/m2 which translates into very powerful performance under strong ambient light .
The FALD on Samsung's has more zones as well and the antiglare filter is superior than the ones found on Sony .


So unless you are so very obsessed with Dolby Vision and must get that ( Samsung TV still doesn't has it ) , probably get the QN95B instead .

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post Mar 3 2023, 01:24 PM

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QUOTE(celciuz @ Mar 3 2023, 10:53 AM)
nod.gif stick to X85K. For me I didn't quite like FALD because depending on the zones blooming can be quite obvious.
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Interesting comparison. So you are saying , instead of them leaking poo , you much rather let the poo hit the fan so it is sprayed evenly all across your face , your mouth , your eyes .

Fascinating take on the " solution " to say the least .


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post Mar 25 2025, 09:24 PM

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QUOTE(westlife @ Mar 25 2025, 04:34 PM)
if 85k vs 90k, price difference is rm380 for the same size of tv, which one is more worth it to get?  tongue.gif
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If they still have stocks , the X90L is still actually the better TV. X90K is unfortunately a downgrade.
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post Mar 26 2025, 09:58 PM

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QUOTE(westlife @ Mar 26 2025, 10:34 AM)
X90L still have stocks, but the price gap is a lot. How much price gap difference will be worthy to get x90L vs x90K?

becos I only buy this x90K for my parents to replace their own 42-inch sony tv bought in 2014 which was spoiled 2 weeks back.  tongue.gif initially considering only buy x85K becos cheaper, but due to the difference is little at only rm380. so i opt for x90K which it has better peak brightness, better colour and better speakers (which i think will be useful becos my parents they do not have separate sound system to use with the tv so having better built-in speakers should worth the difference also).
If X90K is pricier than L , that is a scam because TVs are supposed to become cheaper, not more pricier over time. They are not antiques.
X85K is NOT a HDR TV and a MASSIVE downgrade from last year's X85L as well , because they completely removed the FALD system.


Especially when 90K is the newer and successor of 90L , but because Sony is cutting down the cost of production it became a downgrade. Its roughly 25% worse than 90L overall performance.


Judging from ur previous TV ( sad to inform you guys , theres no good 42 ' tv in MY since theres no 42 OLEDs ) , anything from the K or L series should be a very large improvement from your last TV.
If your dad and moms are not picky , they should be quite impressed at the very least.


In general for speakers for elderly who are not very fussy, just get them a cheap edifier soundbar with one button controls that has decent voice reproduction so they can hear the news loud and clear. That's about it.

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post Mar 27 2025, 07:49 AM

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QUOTE(westlife @ Mar 27 2025, 12:36 AM)
bro, u mess up before K and L is it?  tongue.gif

K is older model and L is newer (current selling model)
so K has lower spec than L is a norm rite?

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Oh yea sorry my bad, I keep forgetting Sony has dropped the X__ moniker last year.
Sony hasn't release any mid range models in 2024, Bravia 7 too far ahead of the X90s and Bravia 3 is the entry lvl 4k model.


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​Main differences are the bezel of the TV, which X90L is metal and slimmer, better in local dimming due to more zones and brighter by a bit.


Not a bit. A lot. This extends up to the full screen brightness , all of which contributes to better contrast despite having lower native contrast , which points to the TV having superior and consistent light controls. It's a direct PQ boosts even if you don't watch HDR content. Its the best affordable LCD Sony has made without stepping into the high ends.


The X85L on the other hand, performs on the same level as X90k.

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post Jul 5 2025, 06:43 PM

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QUOTE(westlife @ Jul 5 2025, 05:41 PM)


Sony OLED actually uses LG panels as well just Sony uses it owns processor and they do their own tuning so even same panels but Sony’s picture quality and colours are normally better.


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That's not true , when asked why there hasn't been successor of their wOLED , they have actually openly admit that LG's wOLED can no longer " satisfy " their needs for the utmost pristine picture quality.
Which is why both of their Flagship (still A95L) , and non flagship (Sony BRAVIA 8 II OLED) are now using QD OLED , a massive leap upgrade over wOLED.
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post Jul 6 2025, 04:51 PM

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QUOTE(westlife @ Jul 5 2025, 07:34 PM)
I know Bravia 8 II is using QD-OLED from samseng and is better than OLED especially brightness.

I am referring to OLED variant here which it still uses LG OLED panel and cheaper than 8 II and to most ppl OLED alone is good enough if one does not want to fork out so much for a good TV.
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From what I can see here , the Bravia 8 II is very impressive and affordable QD OLED TV . It is relatively pricey now because it is new and just launched not too long ago. It will eventually fall on the same level as Sony's other OLEDs especially when its not being marketed as Flagship ( flagship remains A95L ).

Again , QD OLEDs or not you still have to pay Sony taxes , which made them always priced above any other brands.

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post Jul 9 2025, 09:54 AM

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QUOTE(anfieldude @ Jul 7 2025, 04:40 PM)
No doubt that QD OLED is great for color volume and is a closer to the colorimetry and intensity to display P3 color space more accurately. Unfortunately, at 77in there are limited choices and the one that does have the QD OLED Panel in Malaysia is not a Sony, which is a pity as they have very good processing.
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It isn't just the Color volume and rec 2020 coverage, we had nothing to compare to before but now we see what QD-OLEDs are capable of, it is clear that they are far superior when it comes to near black luminance controls.

We should be reminded of the side effect LG's wOLED, whatever that white little subpixel is lifting is more than just the brightness.
This is what HDTVtest dubbed as " light chrominance overshoot " all the way back in 2018, LG has initially attempted to fix this (and still doing it) by producing a dithering Noise filter that smooth out the pixel transition from black to very dark gray.

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Sadly this has caused some irrepairable dmg to the picture, particularly on old shows and very dark movies ( Look at these star wars 4k remasters and and the game of thrones series ).
Whenever theres a dark scene , it looks very hazy and chaotic to the point it looks like there's a flashing clump of dried up paintjob on your tv screen, no joking it does look that bad.
Given that the wOLEDs have gotten brighter, these artifacts actually look more prominent because the increase of dynamic range and contrast.

Anyone need convincing, dl a couple of ep from GOT season 8 and play it. I've also discovered a lot these in old HK movies, 80s and 90s sitcoms ( seinfeld, friends ,etc etc ) .

Ignorance can be a bliss. If you haven't seen how smooth it looks on the QD OLED, you wouldn't know how terrible it is.
If you ask someone like me, this remains the most significant flaw of wOLED. It is a huge distraction and degrade to PQ than any other criticism with QD OLED / WOLED, not the color volume loss ,not the motion hiccup ,not the botched Dolby Vision mode.




Off-topic as the following discussion will dwell into other brands but since Sony also has its own QD OLED lineup , the nature of QD OLED screens are the same.

I get the impression that whenever someone brought up the discussion of matte coating we are immediately reminded of the matte screen from PC monitors.
The Matte screen used by the new S95F is not the same.

It has a unique micro-etching patterns / texture ( feels very premium I might add ), which is used to diffuse direct reflection with extreme precision instead of just slapping them on top of the screen like butter on bread.
A quick comparison with PC monitor with matte coating will reveal how superior it is at suppresing glare while while also maintaining perceived colors under strong ambient lights.
It is definitely one of the best coating I've ever seen on screens ( and I've seen thousands of them by now ) .

While it is still prone to reduced contrast like other matte screens , it isn't much of an issue in a dim and dark room as there shouldn't be any direct reflection on the screen.

Of course if you are not unhappy with the matte screen , you can always get a S90 instead and mod it into the S95 mode. You actually get a better deal out of this and 4 full HDMI 2.1 ports.
(Unlike LG , Samsung is still pretty generous with their QD OLED models as they all share the same screens. )


Yes , the motion hiccups on Samsung's QD OLEDs , It is annoying for sure but not unbearable for me atleast. It is still quite random and seem to happen more frequently on slow motion replay and transition from very dark to very bright scenes. It has been there for several generation so maybe Samsung doesnt intend to fix it as some viewers wouldn't notice that <1sec micro stutter. Sony's own A95L has its own quirks as well, Dolby Vision is unwatchable on the TV it raises the black floor , counterproductive to the intent of " true blacks ". Which is also why HDTVtest recommends viewers to watch movies in HDR10 instead.

In terms of upscaling , these few brands are very close now but Sony remains the lead here especially in gradient smoothing. This is the one area Sony and Panasonic typically excel in. Again the Quantum Dots based OLEDs continues to have an edge here as it doesn't rely on white subpixel, contributing to a finer controls from black to gray.


At this point I am not sure where Panasonic stands in the local market. I have had a chat with one of the distributors, he mentioned that the sales of their OLEDs have basically collapsed and they might've moved less than 100 units of OLED TV last year. Panasonic is now re-focusing their effort into the USA market but we aren't getting any of those flashy models like z95A . A shame because I have always love how natural their display looks.

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post Jul 9 2025, 07:40 PM

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QUOTE(anfieldude @ Jul 9 2025, 02:26 PM)
QD OLED does much better with low luminance colour volume as its also the way the panel is driven. Matte screen is definitely not for everyone and I agree it's not like the usual LCD matte screen but that way the surface diffuses the light will cause light contamination if there is some light source or reflected light source. The S90 equivalent with a non matte screen is a good take it's just that it's not using QD OLED panel at all sizes. They don't make it easy to know what panel for each size and unless someone knows how to look at the product code to decide which panel one is getting it can become an issue. I should be able to check out soon how the dithering will effect the image compared  to a QD OLED ..no display is perfect unfortunately but one should decide what meets most of your boxes.
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As of now, QD OLED are only manufactured in 55 , 65 , 77. There were rumors that there will be eventually be 83" coming late 2025 but that is not confirmed.
All I know is that all current 83" OLED from Samsung ( or even Sony , if they have it ) are WOLEDs.

In MY we only have the S90 and S95 models . the 55' , 65 ' , 77 ' are all confirmed to be QD OLEDs.
As for Sony , I can confirm that all of them 55" , 65" A95L and Bravia 8 II are QD OLED.

There's no 77" Sony QD OLED in MY maybe they will do custom units if you are willing to pay but I doubt its worth it, expect close to 6 digits.

Samsung is a company that has and willing to allocate a lot of budget on promotion campaign, all of us know that .
Therefore it will almost never miss the chance to promote its QD OLED which makes it much easier to identify what panels they are using.


For eg ,when navigating its flagship s95 on Samsung own site, it will often use these promo slogans " Authentic Colors , Validated by pantone! ". If you see these it is pretty much confirmed to be QD OLED panels. Click on the 83" bracket you will find that it has quietly dropped these slogan , confirming that the 83" are using LG's wOLEDs.


Many hours into QD OLEDs now, I can tell if a panel is WOLED or QD OLED just by slightly shifting the viewing angles.
Off axis the QD OLED almost never degrade , reminds me of the good old PLASMA screens while the LG wOLED has great viewing angles too but the degradation on colors ( and tinting ) is quite very obvious.

Heres a quick comparison courtesy of Rtings.

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post Jul 9 2025, 10:40 PM

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QUOTE(anfieldude @ Jul 9 2025, 08:47 PM)
Convael, I know you know your stuff but the statement on S90 series at all those sizes being QD OLED is not accurate at this point in time. So far for 2025 Malaysian S90F only the 55in is currently a QD OLED panel. QA65S90FAEXXM is the 65in panel and 55in is QA55S90FAKXXM.  The fourth last letter is K for QD OLED and E for WOLED. This changes throughout the stock period and one needs to check the actual stock product number to confirm. S95F as you correctly stated is QD OLED at 55in, 65in and 77in this year. I'm sure you know all this but I just wanted to ensure that others understand how to decode if it's WOLED or QD OLED for Samsung in Malaysia. Do check as this can change at anytime depending on stock batches.

Sony as you stated uses QD OLED for 2025 Bravia8 II at 55 and 65in.
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You are right, thanks for bring the model codes to my attention.

I know rting has listed 2 different models for different panels but again I cannot confirm the local E models are all W-OLED right now.
I will verify with my sources in the next couple of days. Forget about asking Samsung CS or even their technician as they know next to nothing about their TV products.


If that is indeed the case, this is a serious violation and misleading ads towards its customers.
AFAIK , the pantonese validation is only meant for their QD OLED screens , not their W-OLED counterparts.

Fact that they continue to feature and advertise models that are using wOLED as Pantone validated is a dishonesty.

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Depends on their agreement with Pantone they are potentially breaching the the laws.

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