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post Sep 30 2021, 06:53 PM

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QUOTE(potachan @ Sep 30 2021, 06:27 PM)
QUOTE(BOTAK_WAI @ Sep 30 2021, 05:26 PM)

"travel to other state", "sometimes"

if those requirements i think smaller and compact folding bike like Pikes will be better, if u "fold" time is more than "ride" time.

Thanks! will google it  smile.gif
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if height below 170cm, weight below 70kg, dahon k3 pun ok dah

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post Sep 30 2021, 08:32 PM

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QUOTE(potachan @ Sep 30 2021, 08:17 PM)

haha im below 170cm but that dahon you mention totally out of my league  , my budget around 2k only  cry.gif

Oh my mistake saw the 1 with rm6k price tag, just checked shopee around 2.5k  tongue.gif
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budget then choose 20" lo
https://bicyclebuysell.com/item/558002/20-q...er-light-10-7kg

megahertz
your favorite rocher below 2k
https://bicyclebuysell.com/user/item/540769...es-folding-bike

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post Sep 30 2021, 09:08 PM

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QUOTE(megahertz @ Sep 30 2021, 09:06 PM)
posted 1 month ago. and yes, that is the price for 1 month ago. now is rm2200 and above. lol.
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good luck buy from local seller then.

i rather import from taobao.
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post Sep 30 2021, 09:49 PM

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QUOTE(megahertz @ Sep 30 2021, 09:14 PM)
since the price is keep increasing, i just want a bike that worth the money for the spec as i dont want to upgrade in future.
so better to buy highest spec i can buy with that budget.

my requirement same as potachan, foldable, easy to carry on a car, ride around taman or neighbourhood, or hill area.
i just found suitable area near my house for biking, around 50km goes and back.

yeah, i did checked that java ira pro and its hv good spec. but sadly hard to find ( cant find on shopee/lazada and other platform) and the price might be over budget  already.
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well, trs rocher suitable for your purpose. you won't need to upgrade in future until:

1. you are riding with road bike friend.
2. you need to bring the foldable along with u. i don't think one will be comfortable to bring 451 wheelset foldie into a restaurant.

don't obsessed too much with the spec, like andrewhtf said, it's still a bicycle afterall, it's powered by your leg.

trust me, later on you will be obsessed with the weight and aerodynamic.
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post Sep 30 2021, 10:29 PM

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QUOTE(andrewhtf @ Sep 30 2021, 10:21 PM)
Weight I can accept, but aerodynamics on a foldie? Macam asking fwd cars to drift
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that's why many sold foldie and go for rb


btw, don't say foldie can't aero, just see if people want to install tt rest bar or not.
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post Oct 12 2021, 05:16 PM

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QUOTE(Nitrous @ Oct 12 2021, 05:12 PM)
Hi guys
I would like to seek some advise from the forum here since I am just a newbie in folding bikes. I have just gotten my new bike last week (Crossmac Link 30) as a shared ride with my wife. However, i do find the ride's very harsh and bumpy, and it is causing some real pain in the posterior...

Can i ask some advise if there's any way to reduce the bumpiness of the bike (the bike itself does not come with any suspension bits), for example like any recommended spring saddles? I've also tried to search for seatpost suspension but unable to find any for folding bikes.

Thanks a lot guys
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lower your tyre pressure. you can check on your tyre wall for suggested tyre pressure. just pump to minimum suggested pressure and try.

newbie sure don't have tyre gauge, go and buy 1. don't solely rely on your pump gauge.
https://shopee.com.my/product/340192494/356...39-1634030822.9

saddle wise can try change a cheap and soft 1
https://shopee.com.my/product/322535644/840...39-1634030604.9

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post Oct 12 2021, 06:26 PM

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QUOTE(Nitrous @ Oct 12 2021, 06:17 PM)
Thank you very much for the advise above.

I've checked the tyre wall on the bike but it does not say any minimum pressure, just max pressure at 43psi. I have checked the current pressure using my car's tyre gauge, and it is reading approximately half of the max pressure at 22psi. Would this be low enough or should i drop it even lower?
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I also forgot to mention, I have actually changed the original saddle to the one from Decathlon, hoping that it would help on the bumpiness but unfortunately it didn't. Would there be any recommended springy saddles that would help in this case (like those old seats that comes with coil springs  hmm.gif )? Or seatpost suspension if any?
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22psi is very low…the lowest i have ever ride on 20" was 35-40psi with CST 1.50 tyre

well…i never tried any "suspension seat" so i can't comment.

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it seems like a very hard tyre

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post Oct 12 2021, 06:52 PM

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btw…don't tell us that you expect 20" foldie will have same level of comfortness as mountain bike sweat.gif

because there were too many cases where some ppl expect it can be as fast as road bike and as comfort as mtb with suspension because they used to be riding on those big bike sweat.gif

even in folding bike, different geometry and material of the frame does affect the comfortness. of course, tyre material and pressure plays more important role.

for saddle, that 1 really hard to recommend since everyone's buttock different sweat.gif

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post Oct 13 2021, 06:36 AM

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QUOTE(Nitrous @ Oct 12 2021, 07:18 PM)
No definitely not. It is a small bike, and definitely it will be jarring when going over potholes and bumps (the road is also partly to be blamed). The bike is also not a high-end bike like Dahon or Brompton thus i can't expect it to glide over bumps like a magic carpet. Its just that I am trying to see if there are ways to help reduce those jarring slightly to make it bearable and save my buttocks at the same time biggrin.gif

Anyways, thanks for the replies ya, appreciate it.. let me try some of your tips on the tyre pressure and experiment on it.
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thank you for showing others the proper way of asking in forum with courtesy. if u need more opinion input, try join those fb folding bike group, u could get more replies in much shorter time.

another tip sharing: seatpost and handlepost height in body weight distribution

seatpost higher and handlepost lower gives you more aero riding position but it may put more stress on your palm and wrist.

vice versa, seatpost lower and handlepost higher gives you more upright riding position but your butt need to take all your upper body weight.

u can feel the same when you sit on a chair with and without your arm leaning on the table.

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post Oct 13 2021, 06:05 PM

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QUOTE(Nitrous @ Oct 13 2021, 05:34 PM)
Thanks for the reply bro... do u have any recommendation of FB groups that I can join to pick up some know-how on riding a folding bike?

Yes, i believe my seating position may play a role here, as i am more of a casual upright rider, handle bars are higher than the seat. Probably that contributed alot more weight onto the saddle. However, got a friend who asked me to just ignore the pain and continue riding, and i'll get used to it just like an exercise. Can't argue with that  biggrin.gif
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if u know how to read chinese, then try search any hong kong foldie (小折/折車) group, they are friendly and helpful.

for malaysia, just search any folding bike groups with high number of ppl join.

another way would be watch related videos on youtube, leave comment and see if the youtubers will answer or not.
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QUOTE(LittleSmarty @ Oct 13 2021, 11:10 PM)
Hi guys, is Java Zelo a good entry level foldie for newbie? Plan to get one to ride around town area.
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i would suggest 20" RIFLE R8 for newbie
https://bicyclebuysell.com/item/558002/20-q...er-light-10-7kg

general good weight for folding bike
20" : 10-11kg (best to keep under 12kg)
16" : 9-10kg (best to keep under 11kg)
14" : 8-9kg (best to keep under 10kg)

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QUOTE(azamunekurone @ Sep 9 2021, 09:59 PM)
this frame from the picture its 100% pikes frame only the different is hinge clamp. from my eyes it looks ackward and fragile..

if got closer picture maybe it would help
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found 1 pic closer look on the hinge.

it clamps inside the hinge like this

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same mechanism like benotto volga





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QUOTE(LittleSmarty @ Oct 15 2021, 03:10 PM)
Thanks for your suggestion ! What do you think about Hottest 2010? Seem not bad for a foldie below RM1k but it is 13kg tho..Hope to get your insight for this model.
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shopee a lot reviews u can refer
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QUOTE(Shoot@M3 @ Oct 20 2021, 03:02 PM)
hi guys, new to cycling and folding
last ride was teenager and few years back normal mtb

can help suggest a place for buy n sell (online) cos never bought used bike online before, maybe can look at a used one (20 inch folding bike)
budget rm1.3k here, park ride then may go for bit road ride with the gengs for some cardio and losing weight
or anyone wana leggo their basic ride?

thanks2

ps: currently looking at new gomax space 10. i know it's cheapo. it's what i can afford atm smile.gif

another ps:gomax space 10 vs dahon suv d6 vs crossmac haagen 901 vs rifle r8 ( the other 3 around 1.5k) any suggestion which you would go with and why?
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Rifle R8

you won't want a folding bike more than 12kg
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QUOTE(monocle @ Oct 31 2021, 11:27 AM)
Hi any folding bike around 1-1.5k with v brakes?
Not looking at disc brakes

Already have a road bike , looking for a folding bike
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rifle r8
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QUOTE(myjunk @ Nov 1 2021, 12:23 PM)
Funny siao. In Msia, 3sixty is expensive and pikes is cheaper (same 6spd)
I read some reviews or such and supposedly 3sixty build quality not as good as camp pike (known as Camp Royale in Spore) which is why more $ in spore.

Right now, I am also looking (day day looking, but not buy hahaha) comparing camp pikes (majority no stock anyhow) and 3sixty. The big major difference I see is the wheelbase. 3sixty is shorter wheelbase (the front wheel will halang the back wheel, so when partial folded on the rack, front wheel cannot be straight)

the 1in diff in wheelbase length, anyone know how much it affects handling/ride quality etc? (comparing pikes vs 3xisty of course)
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i feel the other way round, judging on the video below, 3sixty seems better built quality.


3sixty with 3/6 speed hub has shorter wheelbase. latest 3sixty with 3-speed hub and 2 external gear frame already longer by 1-inch. but in malaysia, 3sixty pricing is a joke, that's why ppl go for pikes here. this seller got mentioned price in his video, i forgot which video already, you can look by yourself.


if i would buy a brompton clone now, i will consider to buy the litepro version from lazada.
https://s.lazada.com.my/s.WCO4d

the folding hinge locking mechanism same like benotto volga, so won't cause paint chip. traditional hinge clamp below easy cause paint chip.
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refer to my previous post
https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...ost&p=102619293

of course, if you have the budget, just get the acceofix that's already modded with external 3-speed gearing.

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QUOTE(myjunk @ Nov 1 2021, 02:11 PM)
after see this video, I also agree w you. But Spore pricing for 360 is much cheaper tho.
I won't be able to know. Likely all the existing stock (not nice colour, to me) must be old version kua.
The Litepro is "shipped from china"... that one, tax apa macam? Even tho technically, (complete) bicycles are "free of tax".

As for acceofix, no tq. too much $$ for my taste. This bike is for me to ride Taman w/ family. Need to fit 3x into a car. (now got 1x20 and 1x16)

talking about benotto, I also consider that as well, but 3 speed saja, as Taman rider I think can la... no climb hills pun. but... the butt macam, extra 400RM for "future proofing". Also, the Litepro is (hiten) Steel which is diff from pikes which is cro-moly.

APa diff in ride quality ah?
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yea, unable to tell unless u import from taobao. but all brompton clone pricing in taobao also not good.

litepro shipped from china u no need worry about tax because u bought from lazada…just maybe a bit longer since sea shipping. i would say around 1 month eta.

if u worry so much then just get the latest gen pikes here lo. i think pikes around 2.3-2.4k.

need fit 3 in a car i prefer to have 16" or 14" not 20"

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QUOTE(myjunk @ Nov 2 2021, 11:07 AM)
this 1 add shipping more expensive than lazada…haha

some more not official store

for pikes u can look on facebook and search within folding bike selling group.

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QUOTE(myjunk @ Nov 3 2021, 10:43 AM)
Hmm.. I didn't realise that the one you linked is "official store" per se.

This is actual "actual" official store. USD800 for this same thing I believe.
https://liteprobicycle.com/collections/whol...on-folding-bike

Hi-Ten steel  tho...
I've been scrolling the FB buy/sell etc for pikes also. Not many ppl are letting go.
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buy from lazada official store u got lazada protection…u directly buy from them where are u going to complain if something happen.

it just mentioned steel…didn't say is hi-ten or chromoly. but if u search "week eight 小布" in taobao, the description says 铬钼钢, that says chromoly steel.

but i guess it doesn't mention clearly maybe they really use hi-ten steel to save cost. but if u know the hi-ten steel and chromoly weight, then u can compare both weight to see what steel they are using laugh.gif

if u already decided to get it, i would advise you to get it now. steel price hike later they increase price again, and 11.11 is coming you don't want the courier getting overload and you gonna wait for it for long long time plus parcel mishandling abuse…haha.

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QUOTE(BOTAK_WAI @ Sep 21 2021, 02:01 PM)
the latest brompton clone options:

1. Pikes Gen 4 6-speed
2. 3Sixty 6-speed
3. Litepro/Week Eight 6-speed
4. Acceofix custom

i guess Pikes will be more popular and easier to get in Malaysia.
i judge from youtube review, i notice 3Sixty has better build quality.
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adding 1 more brompton clone option

Crius external 9-speed (rear using 130mm O.L.D instead of brompton 112-115mm)

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