So? Malaysia is the sovereign entity buying it ultimately.

Oh pls, Msia cannot afford Rafales.

in 2015 they were favorites
+ kalau kau tahu ko tahu la siapa kat belakang tu

in other news

Hari ATM in few days!

NGPV next batch should not even be in the plans at all.

OPV is MMEA task not TLDM.

60 million dollars 1890 tonnes displacement and 83m long OPV 1800 can do the same task as the 300 million dollars 1850 tonnes displacement and 91m long Kedah class.

1x Kedah class can pay for 5x OPV 1800 Tun Fatimah class. Money that TLDM can better spend on stuff that can really do offensive tasks, like UUVs, more scorpenes, low cost LMS (less than 20 million dollars each) that are fast, agile, and can have modular missile systems.

does not matter who is behind that. If we did really at the time buy and pay for those rafales or typhoons (which was like 8-12 aircraft only?), TUDM will be royally screwed for the next 30 years. We will have zero money for LCA/LIFT, MPA and new ground based air defence radars. We won't have the money to regularly operate those expensive fighters and will be good only for occasional parades. isn't that can be counted as treason to the country?

This post has been edited by alexz23: Sep 12 2021, 06:52 PM

Interesting. TLDM interested at getting more OPV (with upgraded spec?) in the future if our LCS is sorted out?

Again. I'm not panglima TUDM, i'm not the one who wrote letter asking for used FA18 and planned for those FA18 replacement to be ordered by 2030.

Am just saying With the hibah Fa18. There's really no need to find a BVR capable LCA as a requirement from day 1 nor have the need to buy 3 squadrons of LCA.

2 squadron of LCA under CAP55 is too small IMO. Particularly as we have 3 squadrons worth of MRCA with the MIG, hornet & Sukhoi before. Even Pinoy are planning for an eventual fleet of 36 LCA & 48 MRCA.

Leonardo are offering 7 or so extra m346 FOC. If we take it on top of 18 that's already received approval fir purchase TUDM would get to have 2 squadron of LCA in 1 malaysian plan. 12 of those exclusively for LIFT based in Kuantan and the rest to replace hawk in Labuan. They can also take further hit by packaging it together with ATR72 MPA. M346FA are competent enough that getting those FA18 isn't a requirement.

M346 like the typhoon & Rafale B4 is an obvious choice if we still allergic to american stuff to jaga hati DaGe.

Boeing meanwhile can package the refurbishment of those Fa18 together with T7 orders since their T7 isn't really capable of anything much for now. If anything those hibah FA18 is probably there to brighten Boeing chances of winning the contract.

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This post has been edited by darth5zaft: Sep 12 2021, 07:49 PM

To be fair, The western world pretty much had stop playing on the sawit issues.

We unlike ID had run out of land to plant palm oil anyway. So getting them angmoh to acknowledge the sustainable palm oil would get us somewhere & probably even higher selling prices.

Their political tools of choice nowdays is slave laborer. And personally, the kind of political pressure we kinda need. Continue reliances on exploitation of low wages foreigners workers won't get us anyway. But transition towards knowledge base and automation required more cooperation with western economy.

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Where did Leonardo say this??

https://www.transportenvironment.org/press/...oil-diesel-2023

https://scandasia.com/malaysia-appeals-eu-b...m-oil-biofuels/

atreyuangel said so if not mistaken.

The way I see it. RMAF has a preference for everything american but gov has a preference not to allowed RMAF to get anything american.

From the hibah FA18 to give T7 an edge, to fighting TD for GBAD & tying BVR missiles with GBAD, to ordering MRCA in 2030,( at that point only the F35 is available as the obvious choice). to making sure MQ9B is probably the only MALE there is that fit RMAF requirements as it supposed to be the unmanned components of MPA.

So does fast intercepting job,
but in this past years TLDM had received more FIC then MMEA

NGPV Kedah class were never meant to be PV if not what happened with PSCND fiasco, if you have been on one, then you know much more capable the ship is, tapi itu la sayang kan.


IIRC in the 2015 the offered that were tabled is
It was
18 Rafale
18 T3 Eurofighter (free T1 Eurofighter but can't remember how many units)
36 Superhornet (buy back options) with 4 E2D aircraft
18 Gripen (leased with option to buy) for stop gap purposes with 4 Erieye

first you have to know this, when the MMRCA was announced 2 or 3 years before there has been allocated budget for the program which the last time was diverted into other program. So by 2015 the money is there.

Mana, rasanya based on MEKO jugak, cuma isntead of A and Y gun akan ada surface and anti-air capability. Tak silap aku KD Selangor kot dah naik drydock (memang kebetulan schedule tuk maintenance) dah utk buat penilaian untuk tambah persenjataan. Cuma waktu tu clue dia segala persenjataan akan streamline semua, jadi byk yang fikir MICA dan NSM akan pasang kat Selangor jugak la.


Betul, but at one time France actually at our side pasal nak jual jet
siap waktu LIMA waktu sesi briefing siap mention kot pasal how committed they are with this issue
but this is back in 2015 la

I concur, FIC is not a job for TLDM, but it is just to spend ops benteng budget allocated to TLDM. At least its better than just getting a few books like TUDM 🤪

A Kedah class corvette with RAM and Exocets would be great like 10 years ago. But for the future? With geospatial satellite tracking and what not, can it really bring the fight to the enemy? Anything less than what we are buying for our Gowinds is in my opinion not survivable in war situation. If corvettes are sitting ducks in future wars, why bother? if it is just going to be used as OPV, better buy something that is made for OPV instead, rather than a FFBNW corvette with all the expensive stuff.

if we did really buy the 18 rafale then, what do you would happen to TUDM in 30 years time? Do you think Rafales or Typhoons are the best for TUDM future? Greece buy 12 used and 6 new Rafales for 3 billion dollars. If we buy in the last rancangan malaysia, we need probably until 2030 to fully pay the Rafales.

Even currently not buying the MMRCA we dont really have the money to buy anything for TUDM. If we do buy the Rafale, we will be surely without MB339 and Hawk replacements until after 2030. We will have broken fighter pilot training system. We will not have money to buy MPA, compromising our EEZ defence. We will not have money to buy UAVs. We will be stuck with the Rafale for 30 more years.

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atreyuangel

did leonardo offer additional 7 free M346 to malaysia?

https://www.mod.go.jp/en/article/2021/09/35...b90a9510ab.html

"Welcoming the signing of Japan-Vietnam Defense Equipment and Technology Transfer Agreement today, the Ministers decided to accelerate consultations for the transfer of specific equipment including vessels."

lol and one wonder why still now we do not have any final candidate for MMRCA
but in 2015 the price for each candidate that was offered was not even close to what is the current prices right now.

Yes, one to one replacement for each CM in inventory

Many poor country using jf17 and decent capability too

Malaysia now really become poor already cannot so picky wants french fighter

we do know from DSCA 18 units of F/A-18F offer to Malaysia in 2002 was 1.5 billion dollars. There was no DSCA notification in 2015 for super hornet.

So Leonardo is just going to give 250 million dollars worth of aircraft for free? 22 September will be the closing date for LCA/FLIT. Just 1 week away. Surely the manufacturers will disclose their offers and costs then.

only three countries using !! Cannot consider many la !!!!!!!!

We were offered SH Block 3 twice, once in the 2015 nad again in 2017 by the Boeing, I can tell you this, because I was there.

Leo offered because the CM are not flying is also because of the problem from their part
But I guess you should have know about this no?

btw it was offered on the 2019 as buyback options as well
(nothing is free, mesti ada fine print nanti but they tells the delegates they are willing to.)
for the new tender offer, need to wait until it close to hear what the local agent offer

Edited:
A question :
What all of you think of Albatros?

This post has been edited by atreyuangel: Sep 13 2021, 01:14 AM

A half OPV half Corvette like the RSN LMV doesn't really sounds all that bad.

Basically just a vehicle to carry those MICA around to shoot stuff flying on the EEZ with the added benefits of using it as PV & mines countermeasures or such.

Thought it does sound like a restructuring of 15 2 5 program since putting weapon on ship they wish to retired in 5 years doesn't sound like a bright ideas. Would probably worth it if they intend to use it for another 15 years.

Since words on the street the rebooted LMS is pretty much the size and capabilities of the Kedah class. Seems like a merging of both the 18 OPV & 18 LMS into a single program would take place.



NSM probably better be put on a truck kot? Since truck are a lot faster than a ship and pan Borneo is a thing.