Std VL Mica the publish range is 16 km only (effective range is 12 km because after 12 km, VL Mica lost maneuvwrability from 50g to 30g). So it is a point defense VL system only. Never for area defense

ESSM on VL MK 41 which can be quadpacked (4 missiles per silo) has a range of 50 km. With 8 silo, a frigate can have 32 missile.

You see the Australian navy, Japan navy, Thai navy,  Denmark, Canada, Germany, Netherlands, South Korea, Spain , Turkey and Taiwan use.

Why? Range 50 km+ is good and quad packed. You can see an example Arleigh Burke has 96 missile and  hmas Hobart have min 48 missile. All use Essm on MK VL 41 .If want area defense ask for ESSM on VL MK 41

Thats why TLDM 1st choice is ESSM on VL Mk 41 for the Gowind. Not percaya can talk to any XO or captain

True for ID but not for MY.

We already a member of FPDA, and lots of FPDA members have direct defense relationship with US. Not to mention MY is also a member of CPTPP & combined maritime force, US firm's also makes substantial chunk of MY FDI

Thus the risk of MY getting US embargoes is low because MY has limited ability not to do what US says anyway : 😆😂

who do you expect to fight that US will not support but EU will support? China?

I asked first

That's a non answer. But anyway

Frankly I don't see a difference. There's no enemy in sight where US will support and EU won't, or vice versa. So it's a waste of time and money to split procurement that way.

Why is being a defensive or not force relevant? Defensive or offensive, you expect that the opponent may be EU or US sponsored, right?

Pastu tanya balik TLDM for what? I don't give a fuck about them in the context of Indonesian procurement.

Simple question that can be answered simply, seribu dalih kenapa

TLDM is not a blue water navy. It is brown water navy and it is a fact. Not for power projection. For defensive and coastal defense. Same as TNI

You want to do power projection  , your naval strength has to be liked  the following countries in Asia Pacific which are Japan, South Korea, Australia, India and of course China.

For power projection you need to have carrier strike group, destroyer strike group with air defense and under water defense. Frigate for ASW. Minimum 2000 ton AIP submarines one fleet and better nuclear powered.

We are not in the catergory. 😁

We are not for power projection

I just want an explanation what scenario in your mind would see Indo defending itself with EU support but not US support thus justifying the split procurement.

Strength is relative; 10,000 infantrymen is very strong against say 100 insurgents, not so much against a carrier strike group.

I'm sure there is a logic kan? Because it can't possibly be that Indo is just buying a rojak fleet for no reason, as that would be criminally inefficient wouldn't it? If everyone is your friend then it doesn't matter who you buy from.

As you yourself said:
You said this

and this

So clearly you have worked out an answer in your head. Which is that, if you buy from EU but not from US then clearly you have considered that someone who is "friend of US but not of EU" may cause trouble in future, and that is the reason for the procurement. Logical right.

I just want to know who that is, in your opinion.

Simple question.

Canada upgrading its legacy hornets with AESA radar even if it is to be retired in a few year's time.

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/42501...advanced-radars

Studies by canadian government puts their hornet fleet life to be at most till 2030

https://www.canada.ca/en/department-nationa...expectancy.html

By the way, this is how a mature government should be upfront with their people. Clear facts and figures on defence matters.

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As a good shipyard that should give the best value to the Indonesian people's money, PT PAL should have studied and taken note on what not to do from the malaysian Gowind fiasco.

Clearly warning from the start the Indonesian government and TNI-AL not to change or add to the Arrowhead 140 specifications is surely a big takeaway from their observation of the Malaysian Gowind project.

Price of the first PKR, the Martadinata was 220 million dollars was "empty ship". The ship were delivered to the TNI-AL in the 'fitted for but not with' (FFBNW) configuration for its major weapon systems including point-defence missiles, surface-to-surface missiles, and a close-in weapon system (CIWS). However, both frigates have each been armed with one Leonardo (Oto Melara) 76/62 Super Rapid gun in the primary position.
Nope, you said them.

Yes i know now they are fully armed with additional budget allocated. I am explicitly replying to the mention of the original price of 220 million dollars.

Even after fully armed, it still does not have ESSM, or NSM.

A day or two ago, TNI published the video in youtube the succes of OPV KCR 40 equipped with Denmark made (Western CMS) Terma C Naval Combat Management System and Terma radar BUT fired a CHINA made C-705 anti ship  missle and hit target. Terma is widely use in many corvettes.

Well a western CMS integrate with a China made missle. Why not?

What is the price of KCR 40 and the larger KCR 60 as opv gun boat or as missle boat

Some example of domestic russian prices for military equipment. some russian friendly countries such as Kazakhstan and Belarus are given the same price for them to buy russian equipment.

Ka-52M: 1.075 billion rubles ($14.7 million)
Su-30SM: 1.187 billion rubles ($16.3 million)
Su-35S: 2.287 billion rubles ($31.4 million)
Su-57: >3 billion rubles (>$41.2 million)

Even when russia sold SU-30MKM to malaysia for just $45 million each including all the modification that malaysia requested, they actually still make money from the sale. And all the things they learnt from the MKM they use that experience to develop the SM version.

https://iz.ru/1230276/anton-lavrov-bogdan-s...vykh-vertoletov

Pakistan Air Force J-10C.