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azriel
post Sep 17 2021, 11:12 AM

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According to source the radar for the Indonesian Navy Arrowhead 140s will be the non-rotating Thales Sea Master 400.
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post Sep 17 2021, 09:49 PM

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post Sep 18 2021, 11:16 AM

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post Sep 18 2021, 11:42 AM

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PT PAL Indonesia in its article claimed they will be able to build 3 frigates in a year. Lets see if they can build 2 AH140 + 1 FREMM or vice versa in a year.

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On the same occasion, Kaharuddin Djenod is optimistic that with the launch of Maritime Industry Transformation 4.0, PT PAL Indonesia (Persero) will be able to increase production capabilities from initially only able to launch 1 frigate class ship in 1 year to 3 frigate class ships in 1 year in parallel.


https://pal.co.id/2021/08/publikasi/news-be...-kawasan-asean/

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post Sep 18 2021, 03:10 PM

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QUOTE(alexz23 @ Sep 18 2021, 01:56 PM)
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given a good design, Indonesia can build any ships.

but locally designed ships? the KCR60 is not something i consider as a good ship. The concept of that tank boat is idiosyncratic at best.
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Anyway here are some Indonesian locally designed ships by Terafulk Megantara Design. All ships are already operated by the Navy, Bakamla (Coast Guard) and BNPB (National Agency for Disaster Countermeasure).

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azriel
post Sep 18 2021, 05:30 PM

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PT PAL Indonesia just officially disclosed the Babcock Arrowhead 140 specification for the Indonesian Navy. The weapons especially the missiles will be FFBNW.

Engine
• Main Engine 4 x 9100 kW
• Max speed 28 knot MCR
• Endurance 18 knot 9.000 NM

Armament
• MR VLS 3 x 8 cell SAM
• LR VLS 4 x 8 cell SAM
• LR VLS 2 x 8 cell SSM

https://pal.co.id/2021/09/publikasi/news-be...fregate-kemhan/

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post Sep 18 2021, 05:43 PM

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QUOTE(alexz23 @ Sep 18 2021, 05:38 PM)
so basically

24x VL MICA
32x ASTER 30
16x EXOCET MM40

basically a lean towards being an AAW frigate. probably would not have towed sonar installed.
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Yes more towards AAW role while the FREMM is for ASW role.

Unconfirmed it will be 24 x VLS CAMM-ER.

For the SSM they are looking at VLS. Don't know if there is any Western type SSM VLS.

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post Sep 18 2021, 05:52 PM

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QUOTE(alexz23 @ Sep 18 2021, 05:47 PM)
none right now.

so they are thinking of the Brahmos on the arrowhead 140?

CAMM-ER?

what will the FREMM be armed with? CAMM-ER also?

VL MICA already with sigma frigate and F2000 corvette.
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I have no idea. Maybe. Yakhont is impossible due to CAATSA.

VL MICA is short range right? They are looking at medium range VLS.

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azriel
post Sep 18 2021, 06:02 PM

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QUOTE(alexz23 @ Sep 18 2021, 05:53 PM)
VL MICA NG is medium range. exactly same size as original VL MICA.
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Yes i know i thought you are referring to the standard VL MICA. Anyway its unconfirmed. Maybe it could be also the VL MICA NG.

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azriel
post Sep 18 2021, 07:50 PM

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QUOTE(darth5zaft @ Sep 18 2021, 06:55 PM)
Also puji PT PAL & ST marine also no use. They are playing the same game as BNS. A monopoly who get all navy contract. At the very least we know our navy tak suka. Hard to say if RSN & TNI-AL love the ship they got or the ship they got or the weapon, fixture & fittings they got is the ship they wanted in the 1st place or if the ship they got can fulfill their mission objective.
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Actually PT PAL only got contracts to built the Martadinata Class PKR and KCR-60M.

The Indonesian MoD have been giving alot of Navy contracts to Indonesian private shipyards to built the Teluk Bintuni Class LST, Oil Tankers, KCR-40, Patrol Boats PC-40 & PC-60...etc.

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post Sep 18 2021, 08:03 PM

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QUOTE(darth5zaft @ Sep 18 2021, 07:56 PM)
thought they also built the Makassar and would soon build the submarine, fremm & type 31?
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Sorry forgot the LPDs. But they don't get all the navy contract lah like you mentioned.
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post Sep 19 2021, 07:17 AM

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post Sep 19 2021, 08:33 AM

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QUOTE(alexz23 @ Sep 18 2021, 11:01 PM)
No ASW. that is additional and not included.

The they say its AAW capable just because the 57mm gun can shoot down missiles and aircraft in close in defence function.
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The first two KCR-60M are equipped each with the Chinese NG-18 (AK-630) CIWS at the aft of the boat.



Recently PT PAL installed the Russian A-220M RWS on both boats.

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The recent batch of KCR-60Ms that are currently being built by PT PAL will use all European CMS and armaments.

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post Sep 19 2021, 09:52 AM

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The Indonesian MoD is in talk negotiating for the procurement of another type frigate for General Purpose (GP) role.

Swipe for more pic.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CTWFwzVBhN5/

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post Sep 21 2021, 07:38 AM

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After the FREMMs, Indonesia buys the Type-31

20/09/2021 frigates | GIULIANO DA FRE ' 

For the head of the class destined for the Royal Navy (HMS VENTURER), the cutting of the first sheet will take place by September. On the 16th of the same month, the Type-31 frigates designed by Babcock based on the design of the Danish IVER HUITFELDT marked the first export success, in the ARROWHEAD-140 version, thanks to the contract signed with Indonesia. 

The Asian island giant in fact continues its modernization effort started in the 2000s and already materialized with the purchase of South Korean submarines and amphibious ships, and light frigates / corvettes of the SIGMA family of the Dutch DAMEN, and which on 10 June culminated in the maxi contract with Fincantieri for the procurement of 6 FREMM-ASW frigates, plus 2 MAESTRALE reconditioned as gap-fillers. 

The new contract with Babcock includes an agreement for the construction under license by the Indonesian PT-PAL shipyard in Surabaya (which will also be involved in the construction of 2 of the Italian FREMMs) of 2 Type-31 / ARROWHEAD-140, in a modified version and customized for these almost 139 m long ships, with a displacement of 5700 t and a speed of 28 knots. 

In the version destined in 5 specimens for the RN, the configuration is that of a medium surveillance frigate, relatively lightly armed although with space and arrangements for further weapon systems. 

The Indonesian Navy, which in 2007-2017 has already put into service 9 light frigates / corvettes and which from 2025 will deploy the 6 sophisticated Italian anti-submarine frigates, would now need air defense units: in 2019-2020 it was considered precisely IVER HUITFELDT for this role. More details will emerge with the definition of the final contract, expected by November.


https://www.rid.it/shownews/4396

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post Sep 21 2021, 08:57 AM

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QUOTE(Lampuajaib @ Sep 21 2021, 07:52 AM)
I notice that ID variant will be a modified/customized one.
Any detail on that?
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According to PT PAL it will have VLS 2 x 8 cell long range SSM. And iinm the Navy wants a LOA of 140 m.

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post Sep 21 2021, 07:26 PM

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Indonesia targets the construction of the Arrowhead-140 frigate warship to be completed by 2026

Head of the Public Relations Department of PT PAL Utario Esna Putra said the shipbuilding would take 69 months

Erric Permana |21.09.2021
JAKARTA

Indonesian state-owned shipbuilding company PT PAL targets the construction of two Arrowhead-140 frigates to be completed by 2026.

Indonesia previously purchased a design license for the frigate Arrowhead-140 from the UK.

The purchase agreement was formalized through the signing of a cooperation agreement between PT PAL and British company Babcock witnessed by Defense Minister Prabowo Subianto and British Defense Minister Hon Ben Wallace in London.

Head of the Public Relations Department of PT PAL Utario Esna Putra said the shipbuilding process had started last May and would be completed in 2026 if there was no contract development or additional ship specifications.

"The plan is that the construction of the Frigate Ship will be carried out within 69 months," Utario explained to Anadolu Agency via text message on Tuesday.

Utario added that this ship will carry a main engine with specifications of 4 x 9100 kW.

With this power supply, the ship can accelerate to a maximum speed of up to 28 knots.

Frigate ships will also be equipped with Diesel Generator 4x1360 kW and emergency D/G 1X180 kW.

The frigates will also be equipped with missiles as a form of air defense system, the specifications of which are vertical launcher missile surface to air medium range 3x8 cells, vertical launcher missile to air long range (Vertical launcher Missile Suraface to Air Long range). ) 4x8 cells and vertical launcher missile surface to surface long range 2x8 cells.

He stated that for the fulfillment of weapons, sensors and others will be supplied by other companies that have the capability.

"For now, the provider has yet to be announced," he said.


https://www.aa.com.tr/id/nasional/indonesia...g-2026/2370302#
azriel
post Sep 22 2021, 07:36 AM

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Nice close up pic of newly converted RMAF CN-235 MPA at PTDI facility. Credit to Bayu.

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https://www.instagram.com/p/CUFaV33p16H/



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post Sep 22 2021, 08:36 AM

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QUOTE(Lampuajaib @ Sep 22 2021, 08:03 AM)
I see radar under the belly...RMAF paid some extra money to upgrade from MSA to MPA?
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Indonesia usually like to called it as MPA rather than MSA.
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post Sep 22 2021, 08:02 PM

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QUOTE(Lampuajaib @ Sep 21 2021, 07:50 PM)
It is certainly for AAW role.

Oh...5 years to complete for 2 ships. So, if there is Fremm contract then how long PT PAL will finish then all?

OTOH.....if MY interested to buy type 31 then let the British build it. Don't let any local shipyard try to build it.
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PT PAL only build 2 FREMM while Fincantieri will build the first 4 units.

Based from this Italian article the Indonesisn Navy will start receiving the first FREMM from 2025.

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The Indonesian Navy, which in 2007-2017 has already put into service 9 light frigates / corvettes and which from 2025 will deploy the 6 sophisticated Italian anti-submarine frigates.


https://www.rid.it/shownews/4396

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